26 is still young, not in terms of a footballer’s career span, but as a person.
Simon Stone's article on Ole's United
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That's what I was thinking as I read this. Chronological age is not a reliable gauge of a person's maturity or overall common sense.26 is still young, not in terms of a footballer’s career span, but as a person.
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Is there any positive news coming out of the club that is ever not propaganda to you? Legitimate quesiton, I'd genuinely like to know what's the problem with a poisitve spin on things.More propaganda, no actual departures yet.
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I put it into context. I'd expect no 26 year old professional footballer to be putting out those sorts of clown posts as he did on holiday.26 is still young, not in terms of a footballer’s career span, but as a person.
Social media for a professional sportsman is not the same as social media for an average Joe. They have an obligation to maintain an image.
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The good news is that Ole is doing a good job far as one can tell. The people above him still aren't doing a good job though and no bullshit press release will change my mind on that one. Actions not words are required.Is there any positive news coming out of the club that is ever not propaganda to you? Legitimate quesiton, I'd genuinely like to know what's the problem with a poisitve spin on things.
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To me you made it sound like Stone thought ‘exuberance etc’ was an excuse for Lingard, whereas the piece rather confirms what at least I had hoped: Thatsolskjær didn’t see it as an excuse but told Lingard off seriously enough to get him to grow a few years. Youthful exuberance with Jlingz I think we’ve seen enough of, it’s the problem, not a part of the solution, but something that can be dealt with no etheless.How did you read it?
"It is understood Jesse Lingard was given a severe dressing down over a controversial summer social media post. Yet, rather than react badly, the England international has responded by putting in a series of outstanding performances in training. He has been willing to forgive, therefore, an indiscretion he puts down to the exuberance of youth, confident his harsh words will ensure it won't be repeated."
Its the bold bit I find too much, personally.
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i expect nothing less from the BBC, they do not get into gossip and fake reporting like the rest of the sites. When its on BBC its insightful and honest
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Summed it up nicelyRead enough of these over the past 6/7 years to know its mostly bullshit. Luckily, Ive liked what Ive seen in the few preseason games that we've played, so Im hopeful that we can kick on from here to have a good season. Im only cautiously optimistic though, as pre seasons are never a good measuring stick for how a season will go.
So the cast of characters has changed but it’s essentially the same theme as last year regarding a CB. Sell a striker, this time Lukaku, to fund a deal for Maguire. Also those questioning Stone’s credibility need to give their head a shake, he’s the most credible source out there and doesn’t write articles to simply appease the masses like those on MEN.
whats wrong with that?How did you read it?
"It is understood Jesse Lingard was given a severe dressing down over a controversial summer social media post. Yet, rather than react badly, the England international has responded by putting in a series of outstanding performances in training. He has been willing to forgive, therefore, an indiscretion he puts down to the exuberance of youth, confident his harsh words will ensure it won't be repeated."
Its the bold bit I find too much, personally.
Woodward must seriously pray that Ole does a good job here otherwise this time the attention will be solely on Woodward and the board and not on Ole. Surely one cannot keep on blaming the managers, there must be something wrong with the CEO of a company if 4 managers continuously fail in their job.
I think it is unrealistic based on past transfer windows to predict that we will replace players we have lost let alone bring in quality reinforcements to compliment young prospects.What do you think is unrealistic? That we will strengthen in defence and midfield, and replace Lukaku or Pogba if they leave? Or that we will be able to make top four given these changes?
I think it’s fair to say we have played with a deep lying pivot where one is licenced to push up more than the other.
I think we’ll see switches between ‘domination’ and ‘counter’ even within matches. All the best teams are able to do that, and even Guardiola is doing it more now.
I would put more money on Lukaku leaving being the only business we complete before the transfer window slams shut in just over a week's time.
And believe me nothing would bring me more joy than to Fernandes and Maguire (id prefer Diop of West Ham) on board and Pogba still in play.
We would stand a good chance of top 4 then.
Without that it's another painful season imo.
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Just show it on the pitch ffs. Enough of this talking.
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I'm encouraged by our preseason but some of our rotated second half teams show just how poor the strength and depth of this group is. I still don't think this team is close to putting up a sustained challenge for top 4 let alone anything more.
Yes. The attention must always be on the CEO for the absolutely dreadful way this club has been run post Sir Alex Ferguson. Even if Ole is able to paper over the cracks, those cracks are still there and require management action.Woodward must seriously pray that Ole does a good job here otherwise this time the attention will be solely on Woodward and the board and not on Ole. Surely one cannot keep on blaming the managers, there must be something wrong with the CEO of a company if 4 managers continuously fail in their job.
I look forward to seeing the way this great football club is transformed to allow it to compete again at the very highest level.
Am I an optimist; very much so but I am not looking forward to holding my breath....
I'm glad he's got them working hard in training - the fitness levels (or lack thereof) displayed by a few of these players in the last 12 months has been a disgrace.
However, without further investment, the quality just isn't there - It's just going to be a load of sub-standard players running around like headless chickens.
However, without further investment, the quality just isn't there - It's just going to be a load of sub-standard players running around like headless chickens.
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Ok. I’m more optimistic than you then. Based on the last ten transfer windows, I’ll be surprised if we don’t see minum one unconditional arrival, and at least one in for each big money exit.I think it is unrealistic based on past transfer windows to predict that we will replace players we have lost let alone bring in quality reinforcements to compliment young prospects.
I would put more money on Lukaku leaving being the only business we complete before the transfer window slams shut in just over a week's time.
And believe me nothing would bring me more joy than to Fernandes and Maguire (id prefer Diop of West Ham) on board and Pogba still in play.
We would stand a good chance of top 4 then.
Without that it's another painful season imo.
Yes he should be banging underage hookers like the rest eh? Face it - in the grand scheme of things Lingard's social media immaturity is not that big of a deal. Its not ideal, but hardly something unforgivable in a 26 year old with more money than he knows what to do with.I put it into context. I'd expect no 26 year old professional footballer to be putting out those sorts of clown posts as he did on holiday.
Social media for a professional sportsman is not the same as social media for an average Joe. They have an obligation to maintain an image.
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Brand image is actually a big deal. Managers with sense tend to limit the level of foolishness certain players portray by disciplining accordingly or having a word. If it wasn't that big a deal they'd let everything slip.Yes he should be banging underage hookers like the rest eh? Face it - in the grand scheme of things Lingard's social media immaturity is not that big of a deal. Its not ideal, but hardly something unforgivable in a 26 year old with more money than he knows what to do with.
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Fellaini was as Ole arrived and was an offer too good to refuse. £10m for a very large turd, albeit one that wasn't a bad plan b at times.Seriously? We have lost Fellaini, Herrera and Valencia within the last six months. Rojo and Darmian will be gone sooner or later during this summer. Thats a lot of experience out the door; no matter what one thinks of them as players.
Herrera was because the board acted too slow to sort a decent offer. He was one of our better players.
Valencia was as good as retired.
None of these count against Ole's comments of clearing out trash.
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Non existant commentsFellaini was as Ole arrived and was an offer too good to refuse. £10m for a very large turd, albeit one that wasn't a bad plan b at times.
Herrera was because the board acted too slow to sort a decent offer. He was one of our better players.
Valencia was as good as retired.
None of these count against Ole's comments of clearing out trash.
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Which of course is not a real thing and you made that up.Fellaini was as Ole arrived and was an offer too good to refuse. £10m for a very large turd, albeit one that wasn't a bad plan b at times.
Herrera was because the board acted too slow to sort a decent offer. He was one of our better players.
Valencia was as good as retired.
None of these count against Ole's comments of clearing out trash.
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Something should seriously be done about the newbie-system here. Why not go back to the old one?
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Well or course not. But anyone with half a brain can understand I've put my own translation on it.Which of course is not a real thing and you made that up.
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Something should seriously be done about the newbie-system here. Why not go back to the old one?
And as for your comment, bang on! How did you ever get promoted with such obnoxious arrogance?!
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I just try not to make stuff up.Well or course not. But anyone with half a brain can understand I've put my own translation on it.
And as for your comment, bang on! How did you ever get promoted with such obnoxious arrogance?!
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I just try not to make stuff up.
Here you...not good enough = trash. Clear enough?"I can’t talk about individuals now but there’s a chance you’ve seen the last of [some] players,” he said. “We weren’t good enough . . . the table seldom lies.
“Effort and attitude was not the problem. The players were running and trying. We just weren’t good enough. That is the problem."
If you need any further English similie lessons, I'll be happy to help!
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Here you...not good enough = trash. Clear enough?
Good god. Newbie system. Back to the old one please.Here you...not good enough = trash. Clear enough?
If you need any further English similie lessons, I'll be happy to help!
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yeah 100% agreed mate. Would much rather we get rid of some of the passive slugs and fill the team with some youth and just go with it.Really like the part on fitness. It's been so evident for a few seasons now that they just didn't have the same fitness/endurance as the teams around them.
You're right it is. Still from the list of things a footballer could do to damage brand image, posting a crass video on twitter is fairly low key. I'm not saying its good or acceptable, and Ole's right to admonish him for it, but lets keep things in perspective. He wasn't caught with hookers, he didn't crash a sports car, he wasn't caught getting drunk before a game - he posted a crass video on social media.Brand image is actually a big deal. Managers with sense tend to limit the level of foolishness certain players portray by disciplining accordingly or having a word. If it wasn't that big a deal they'd let everything slip.
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That's not what I'm arguing though. I'm arguing his foolish social media posts (which he should know better from) is not excusable due to his age. He's 26 not 19.You're right it is. Still from the list of things a footballer could do to damage brand image, posting a crass video on twitter is fairly low key. I'm not saying its good or acceptable, and Ole's right to admonish him for it, but lets keep things in perspective. He wasn't caught with hookers, he didn't crash a sports car, he wasn't caught getting drunk before a game - he posted a crass video on social media.
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Re the the original post the figures are too good to be true, different data metrics are being used, much as I wish it was not case.