Manchester United 2:2 Southampton

Shiva87 · Jul 13, 2020

Our fanbase has totally lost it. We had a very unlucky last minute draw after an injury induced reduced numbers.

People are writing off the entire progress since Jan on this basis? Really - I guess some sanity should return tomorrow morning.

MIC_FIN · Jul 13, 2020

Dave, if your reading this, and I'm 99.9% certain you are. Would it kill you to come out and claim some of these corners. I find it highly irresponsible you should stand there waiting for a corner to come off someone's head/foot, and allowing yourself about 1 in 1 million chances your "cat like" reflexes might pull off the unthinkable.

Just get a out there and start upper-cutting shizzle. Make them think twice before they commit to running in your 6 yard box.

Bilbo · Jul 13, 2020

DevilRed said:
Yes. I've been saying this for a while now. OGS was unbelievably lucky as a player. As a manager, I've never seen so much bad luck regarding untimely injuries and missing key players for large swathes of the season.

Then of course something like today happened. Chalk it down to luck or lack of bottle (if you're more cynical). I'm just tired of it though. I wish we had some leaders like Vidic and Ferdinand to drag us through and get the 3 points. Instead we have victor lindelof who can't even stand infront of a substitute striker because he is too weak.

We used to lose games when Rio and Vidic were playing too. Lindelof actually played pretty well tonight I thought apart from that last moment

Stacks · Jul 13, 2020

Watching this game felt similar to before we got the pen vs Villa. Our opponents looked way to comfortable. Either way this is a piss poor result and we have failed to capitalise, failed to beat a mid tier team at home and failed to beat Southampton for the 2nd time this season. I didn't expect us to win every game in this run in mind. Just hope we don't get Wolves in the Europa cos that will be a draw.

arthurka · Jul 13, 2020

Why isn't this a red card?

Gordon S · Jul 13, 2020

Most players had an off day. We were poor, couldn`t figure out how to get through their high press and didn`t seem to have a working plan b. Rashford and Martial were pretty good and were unlucky to not score another

Drainy · Jul 13, 2020

It was one of those games. We should have won, chances fell at just the wrong spot so Southampton got away with it. They should have had a red card and were being allowed a lot of scope for physical play and we lost 2 left backs to injury leaving us down to 10 men.

We picked up a point, in the past it would have been a loss. It was disappointing but that is football.

Che Guevara · Jul 13, 2020

Man Utd have every reason to feel robbed and doubly aggrieved. First, VAR missed a glaringly obvious red card on Romeu. What happened with refs viewing incidents on the touchline monitor? Then the ref strangely played on beyond the 5 minutes added time, turned the match into sudden death, and Southampton took advantage. To his credit, Ole didn't want to blame officials for the draw.

Offside · Jul 13, 2020

Berbasbullet said:
Oh yeah the last 20 mins were awful, but it felt like we were trying to hit them on the break, Southampton weren’t creating an awful lot.

I think tiredness could be an excuse but why were they so sharp? Honestly think we shat ourselves at the sight of the top 4 and thought that we could just park the bus and squeeze out the 2-1. Very worrying if so because it’s the fecking top 4. Imagine if we had the chance to go top of the league.

This failure to capitalise on rivals losing points has been going on for a long time now with incredible consistency. I foresee a West Ham away 15/16 situation at Leicester on the final day.

Offside · Jul 13, 2020

Che Guevara said:
Man Utd have every reason to feel robbed and doubly aggrieved. First, VAR missed a glaringly obvious red card. What happened with refs viewing incidents on the touchline monitor? Then the ref strangely played on beyond the 5 minutes added time and Southampton took advantage.

How was it strange? There was a clash of heads during the 90th minute that took 3-4 minutes for play to resume. That will have gone on top of the 5 already allocated minutes.

Crustanoid · Jul 13, 2020

Ed needs to have a good long hard look at himself for not strengthening our team when it was needed. Fvck the Glazers

Berbasbullet · Jul 13, 2020

Offside said:
I think tiredness could be an excuse but why were they so sharp? Honestly think we shat ourselves at the sight of the top 4 and thought that we could just park the bus and squeeze out the 2-1. Very worrying if so because it’s the fecking top 4. Imagine if we had the chance to go top of the league.

This failure to capitalise on rivals losing points has been going on for a long time now with incredible consistency. I foresee a West Ham away 15/16 situation at Leicester on the final day.

Yeah you might be right, I’m gonna to try and look at the positives, still in our hands, need the team to bounce back Thursday.

Gazautd18 · Jul 13, 2020

Ole done it in 99 in extra time.
He's got 3 games to get us to 4th at the least, to get in to the Champions League places.
I have my faith in Ole.
Forget all this negativity around on here!

golden_blunder · Jul 13, 2020

Bit of tiredness in our play tonight I think with some players.
Southampton played well and probably deserved a point

sewey89 · Jul 13, 2020

Infra-red said:
We're still in the hunt for top 4, of course.

The result (and the obvious legginess of some of the players) does however call in to question our ability to get wins away at Palace and Leicester, which we are now quite likely to need to do.

Palace who have lost 5 in a row and Leicester who have won once since the restart..?

Look, I’m Not saying it’s nailed on, but a bit of perspective is needed. It’s still very much in our hands. That hasn’t changed too much because we conceded a last minute equaliser to the 4th best away team in the league

stevoc · Jul 13, 2020

Setting aside the missed red card they are a bunch of dirty jammy cnuts.

They played well enough but I don’t know if they deserved a point. Should have been down to ten and took advantage of United having to play with 10.

Machine Elements · Jul 13, 2020

GenZRed said:
Enough said.

Also, don't blame the manager for DDG being a spineless wimp. He is the best manager we have had since Fergie. He is astute in the transfer market, unlike LvG and Jose who spunked money up the wall.

Rash Decision said:
Very odd to blame the manager's mentality? If anything I would posit that the manager hasn't developed or drilled a sufficiently robust possession game in our team.

It's not blame at all. I just think that's what Ole as a manager is. There is a group of managers who can get the job done/get it over the line no matter what and then some who can't. I think Ole falls in the latter category unfortunately and I don't blame him.

Mindhunter · Jul 13, 2020

MIC_FIN said:
Dave, if your reading this, and I'm 99.9% certain you are. Would it kill you to come out and claim some of these corners. I find it highly irresponsible you should stand there waiting for a corner to come off someone's head/foot, and allowing yourself about 1 in 1 million chances your "cat like" reflexes might pull off the unthinkable.

Just get a out there and start upper-cutting shizzle. Make them think twice before they commit to running in your 6 yard box.

This. Unfortunately he is at a point where he won't learn new skills. It is a take it or leave it situation with him and I am leaning towards "leave it". I don't think we will solid in defense (ever) with him in between the posts.

Mindhunter · Jul 13, 2020

Machine Elements said:
It's not blame at all. I just think that's what Ole as a manager is. There is a group of managers who can get the job done/get it over the line no matter what and then some who can't. I think Ole falls in the latter category unfortunately and I don't blame him.

Wait till the season has actually ended and he has failed to get us top 4. Hold your horses and stop with his all or nothing thinking.

What are you a brain surgeon that you are able to put him into one of the made up categories that you conjured out of thin air?

The Purley King · Jul 13, 2020

We looked tired across the board with the exception (amazingly) of martial.
Frustrating as we were unlucky as well, but these are the games we should be closing out 10 men or not.
Great corner, but ddg dodgy again.
Going to the wire then!!!! Let’s hope we have the stones to close it out.

Frank Grimes · Jul 13, 2020

Didn't pass the ball well enough. Southampton looked much more assured in possession.

Massive game Thursday night. Anything other than a win and it looks like we may miss out.

Rash Decision · Jul 13, 2020

Machine Elements said:
It's not blame at all. I just think that's what Ole as a manager is. There is a group of managers who can get the job done/get it over the line no matter what and then some who can't. I think Ole falls in the latter category unfortunately and I don't blame him.

Fair enough if that's your opinion of him. I just think there's more evidence pointing to possible coaching/tactical deficiencies than one of mentality.

And before anyone gets triggered, that's not to say that he's a shit manager. I think at this point he has shown that he's decent, but whether he's a top manager or not is still in question.

Schmeichel's Cartwheel · Jul 13, 2020

Bilbo said:
Its not constructive. Its just bile for the most part. Its why this forum has been unreadable for most of the season.

Watch the Ole out thread grow by 20 pages overnight because we didn't win. Its no wonder most of the best posters have left this place.

It doesn’t need to be constructive. We’re fans not media trained pundits ffs. Get off your high horse & let us vent. Jesus Christ mate it’s normal to be angry when you concede in the last minute. Nobody is saying Ole out.

The ‘holier than thou” types on here are the worst.

kidbob · Jul 13, 2020

For all there 'domination' we created the better chances and were a handball away from Rashford being through on goal again. We didn't play well but its good to see that we were still able to score goals and for the most part limit there attempts on goal. With the farce of the red card decision and then the freak injury to Williams it feels like it was just one of those games. Keep the focus for Palace now because we are still in a strong position in terms of top 4.

Who's Kissing Cameras? · Jul 13, 2020

arthurka said:
Why isn't this a red card?

Absymal refereeing.

Red00012 · Jul 13, 2020

I knew that Romeu decision would come back to haunt us. I think the game would been over if he had seen red for that.

Red00012 · Jul 13, 2020

Jev said:
A really bad one but we're still one point closer to the top-4 and I'd still fancy us to finish ahead of Leicester at least.

Bad decision by Ole to take Pogba out of the game.

Why ? He was fecked

stu_1992 · Jul 13, 2020

Knew we couldn't win forever and that this was a potential banana skin if we weren't on it, and it seems like that was accurate today. Highly disappointing to not win and get third place. I was and still am sickened. Its still in our hands but that would have been a major boost.

Alek M · Jul 13, 2020

Why he didn't bring on Lingard or Mata?

redzombie · Jul 13, 2020

couldn't stomach watching any of the post match interviews, did they give an update on Williams/Shaw?

always_hoping · Jul 13, 2020

The more I watch the 2nd Southampton goal the more angry I get. Both United centre backs was poor for that goal. Stam, Bruce, Vidic in their primes wouldn't have allowed a late goal to be conceded like that

Lentwood · Jul 13, 2020

I think the fans have to get used to the idea that there are some very good sides in outside the top four in the PL and until this team matures and we can add a little more quality in key areas we're probably still only ever a bit of back luck away from dropping points.

Sancho will hopefully come in and make a difference. In addition, I still think we look vulnerable at times. Far too often I see our defenders having to backpedal with runners either side and an attacker running into space with the ball. It's got to be something about our midfield and the fact we play wingers high and wide in my opinion. This is exacerbated when Pogba plays because we know defending isn't his strong point!

dave1956 · Jul 13, 2020

People let us roll the clock back to February, many people commented on this forum that we would not get with reaching distance of fourth and many were stating that we would drop below 10th. Well the later has not happened, we are within reach of not only 4th but even 3rd.
18 games in all competitions without a defeat, excellent goals for and we our letting in few goals. So tonight was a slight disappointment, but overall we are playing well, room for improvement in all areas but going in the right direction.
Clearly need to address our lack of quality back up in certain positions and leadership on the field once Fernandes comes off, lack a driving and directional player.
These problems cannot be solved at present but I suspect will be rectified by the start of next season, well I hope so.

Il Prete Rosso · Jul 13, 2020

MIC_FIN said:
Dave, if your reading this, and I'm 99.9% certain you are. Would it kill you to come out and claim some of these corners. I find it highly irresponsible you should stand there waiting for a corner to come off someone's head/foot, and allowing yourself about 1 in 1 million chances your "cat like" reflexes might pull off the unthinkable.

Just get a out there and start upper-cutting shizzle. Make them think twice before they commit to running in your 6 yard box.

I am a GK coach and as much as that may be feasible, as any other player on the pitch, a GK plays to his strengths. De Gea isn't the most imposing Gk so he relies on his reflexes and shot stopping abilities for the 2nd ball. It may sound crazy but I wont ask a diminutive GK like De Gea to charge into 6ft players unless he's absolutely sure he's gonna collect or punch that ball. If I know he's good at shot stopping, I would train positioning and movement. As I said, to a non GK this may sound crazy but it's the reason why it's a specialized position on the pitch. All goalkeepers aren't the same and maybe in training, the team has also decided that De Gea is better suited stopping the shot after the corner.

bondsname · Jul 13, 2020

You just know this is going to be at the back of the players heads versus Palace. And not in a good way.

I'm really worried about our remaining fixtues. Don't think the lads have it in them to do what's required when there's pressure. The fanbase's reaction to this match could negatively affect them aswell, that's how vulnerable they are.

Alek M · Jul 13, 2020

Lads, Greenwood was anonymous today too. Which is expected for a 17 yr old.

Random Task · Jul 13, 2020

arthurka said:
Why isn't this a red card?

We went on about this incident in the matchday thread at length.

VAR deciding not to act on what was quite clearly a reckless challenge with intent to harm is outrageous. No sane person could view the incident and find no issue with it.

It was a clear red card.

RazorOz · Jul 13, 2020

In many ways we needed a reality check as too many have been thinking we have enough already to win the title next year.

Need to win the next 2 now really as we really don't want to have to go to the last game having to beat Leicester away for top 4. Leicester and Chelsea have games coming up that they will surely drop points in so it's important that we don't.

A lot of players looked knackered tonight, but then at same time the options on the bench are so bad that who is going to challenge them. As soon as Fernandes had a poor game like he did tonight we're back to looking a very average side. We had no control of the midfield whatsoever tonight. Indeed there had been signs in our previous few games that we weren't as all conquering as appeared as we struggled early on against both Bournemouth and Villa, it's just both of those were at rock bottom confidence and folded as soon as the inevitable blitz came at them. Southampton came in form, and didn't just fold as soon as we scored.

gerdm07 · Jul 13, 2020

It's too bad because this was a match that really needed Pogba to step up. We needed someone to keep possession and break their press and a top Pogba would have been that player. I think we're still in pretty good shape for top 4.

Why didn't Martial either take an early shot or round the keeper when he had the 1v1? I have the feeling Greenwood would have put that away without much thought.

Hope Shaw recover quickly because we might be out a LB if not. Williams will likely not be available because of concussion protocol.

gerdm07 · Jul 13, 2020

Oh yeah, why did we have to play with 10? We made 3 subs and only used 2 times for them. What am I missing?

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