Posts that were actually made on the day we beat Roma 6-2

pass.pass.pass said:

I am not calling for him to be banned? And not everyone who makes critical comments of Ole in any of the threads is either. There are legitimate concerns about the management of this club at all levels. The gloating against those one doesn't agree with -- after one result in a second-rate competition into which the club got demoted -- is childish at best, dictatorial at worst.

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I didn't claim that you have called to get him banned, but several posters have advocated for him to be. That's dictatorial (silencing opinion), not calling out toxicity on a forum like he is doing. Why are you getting so defensive?

In general, if people can't handle others calling them out, perhaps posting on a public forum isn't for them.

Wumminator said:

Thank you. Obviously I should try and be more like you as you are clearly a fantastic example of how a united fan should behave.

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Sorry that the opinions of emotional random posters on the internet doesn't have an impact on my life.

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I assume that Robbie Savage is automatically assumed to be in any threads based around knobheads.

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Any need?

Di Maria's angel said:

Keep at it, dude. I'm not sure what you gain from this but it must make your miserable life a little better.
Who has time to go through someones posts? Damn, do I pity you.

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Wumminator said:

You once made a thread on here upset because a girl at work wouldn’t play Pokemon Go with you because she thought you were weird and recently spent money on something called “poocoin”. Why would you ever pity me?

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You know what they say about people who live in glass houses...

People shouldn't be shocked that something they put into the "public" domain can be called out.

I love the OP’s threads he started. I particularly remember one last season when we beat Chelsea 4-0 in the first game at Old Trafford last season and he called out the posters who were moaning about transfers all summer but were they enjoying the win after the game? That was a great read as well if you can find it

This is great watching people argue over and over that they aren’t toxic

I don’t get why people are getting so worked up by this. If you post something, own it and explain why you’re right or accept you were wrong. It has no bearing on your life whatsoever.

Most posts complaining at half time were fine, we’d looked our usual inconsistent selves and the added pain of it being against a team that was clearly inferior and in another semi makes it more poignant.

I guarantee if you go to the Fred thread, you’ll find 99% of the caf there saying he’s crap and not even PL quality, same for Lindelof, same for Shaw under Mou and vice versa proclaiming Depay the new Ronaldo or Sanchez the key to reclaiming the PL.

Its great to have lots of opinions but just be accountable.

Great stuff from the OP.

Some of the posts though, embarrassing to say the least.

We are 2nd and potentially in a EL final, yet if we go behind in a game the Ole Outers are out in full force, questioning every decision.

tomaldinho1 said:

I don’t get why people are getting so worked up by this. If you post something, own it and explain why you’re right or accept you were wrong. It has no bearing on your life whatsoever.

Most posts complaining at half time were fine, we’d looked our usual inconsistent selves and the added pain of it being against a team that was clearly inferior and in another semi makes it more poignant.

I guarantee if you go to the Fred thread, you’ll find 99% of the caf there saying he’s crap and not even PL quality, same for Lindelof, same for Shaw under Mou and vice versa proclaiming Depay the new Ronaldo or Sanchez the key to reclaiming the PL.

Its great to have lots of opinions but just be accountable.

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One of a few reasonable posts. Couldn't agree more.

Di Maria's angel said:

In fairness, I've been very quiet on the topic of Ole for a while. But I dislike Wumminator as for some reason hes an actual prick to me for no reason. So, now I've had to ask that question.

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Put him on ignore then.

Calling our manager shit when he's turned around our squad from completely broken to almost there is just ridiculous.

Wouldn't it be a better experience for some fans to start watching only our second halves?

Why do some people have to be so agressive while presenting their opinion on a football match that is still unfinished?

Moaning about moaning is moaning.

Yeah we won 6-2. Yeah there were some silly posts at 2-1. Yeah people started to think back to all the other semis we've lost. Yeah someone decided the best thing to do after winning 6-2 was take the piss out of the other posts.

It's so boring both ways.

Di Maria's angel said:

Keep at it, dude. I'm not sure what you gain from this but it must make your miserable life a little better. Never did I criticise Ole as a person. Literally the worst thing said is that Ole is shit at his job. Which hasn't been proven otherwise. Has he we won anything yet?

Who has time to go through someones posts? Damn, do I pity you.

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Not a single poster has written so many stupid posts as you have about OGS.....as for not criticizing him as a person.....that's debatable. If someone called me "not very smart" - I would consider it an attack on me as a person. But of course if you spent 2 years writing hundreds of posts about how clueless our manager is, I can see why you don't want us to do well. Because that would mean you are fairly clueless!

Oh and the last time I checked not winning a trophy doesn't equal that you are shit at your job.

This thread is great and long overdue.

If you post shite, you should expect to get called out on it.

The match day thread is a cesspit.

Wumminator said:

This thread is objectively hilarious. It is clearly not boring.

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It's funny how you use objectively.

cosimas said:

This thread is great and long overdue.

If you post shite, you should expect to get called out on it.

The match day thread is a cesspit.

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You'd love the caf meltdown thread in the general.

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This thread is objectively hilarious. It is clearly not boring.

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I think I can confidently speak for all non united fans around the world when I say that this thread is actually both quite funny and quite entertaining.

Puts me in mind of that West Ham fan who argued on a radio call-in that Moyes is a shite manager, that the only reason West ham is challenging for CL spot is the squad and that any manager could easily have achieved the same. The situations are not the same of course, but the logic is: This guy had managed to so thoroughly convince himself that his view of Moyes was a fact that he's lost his grip on reality. Since it's a fact that Moyes is shite, that means the only possible explanation for the performance is that the squad's so good that this is what's bound to happen anyway. Leading him to espouse the totally insane view that the fact his team has moved within a season from the relegation battle to the CL battle with largely the same squad does not mean the manager is doing a good job.

That's what happen when you get so stuck on a fixed view that you stop looking at reality, and it's obvious that there's a lot of people around here who have similarly simply decided that Ole is a useless manager, and have just stopped dealing with reality. Anything done well is just a reflection of the individual brilliance of players, anything not to their liking is a sure sign of shortcomings in the management. It's just pathetic.

Chat shit get banged

justsomebloke said:

That's what happen when you get so stuck on a fixed view that you stop looking at reality, and it's obvious that there's a lot of people around here who have similarly simply decided that Ole is a useless manager, and have just stopped dealing with reality. Anything done well is just a reflection of the individual brilliance of players, anything not to their liking is a sure sign of shortcomings in the management. It's just pathetic.

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You are implying that there should be no question mark above Ole and his job so far. The game yesterday doesn't change that we've had a lot of signs that he might not be the one to take us back on the top though. He's done a good job in stabilizing the team but we've had a lot of games under him where questions raised about him are fully justified.

So pointing out shitty posts from yesterday is fully fair as our second half was really really good. But people shouldn't make the mistake that arguments against Ole were and still are never reasonable.

tomaldinho1 said:

I don’t get why people are getting so worked up by this. If you post something, own it and explain why you’re right or accept you were wrong. It has no bearing on your life whatsoever.

Most posts complaining at half time were fine, we’d looked our usual inconsistent selves and the added pain of it being against a team that was clearly inferior and in another semi makes it more poignant.

I guarantee if you go to the Fred thread, you’ll find 99% of the caf there saying he’s crap and not even PL quality, same for Lindelof, same for Shaw under Mou and vice versa proclaiming Depay the new Ronaldo or Sanchez the key to reclaiming the PL.

Its great to have lots of opinions but just be accountable.

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That would be reasonable, if the people in question had just been commenting on the first half. What is not reasonable is the inferences a lot of them draw from what they see in the first half to general views about the competence of the manager. That's the point.

stw2022 said:

Football debate is so boring when the rules are we can only praise everything if we’ve won the last match or criticise it if we’ve lost.

Why don’t we just delete the whole Caf and just allow people to register pe-selected smiley faces expressing joy or annoyance depending on what the last result was.

It’s so tiresome. We get them same crap with player performances.

Player scores: ALL PREVIOUS CRITICAL REVIEWS OF HIS PERFORMANCES EVER ARE NOW UNJUSTIFIED


Player has a bad game: ANY GOOD PERFORMANCES IN THE PAST NOW NEVER EXISTED!

Don’t get why fans see it as a badge of honour that they have the attention span of a promiscuous gold fish and can only understand an opinion if it marries with the exact last thing to have happened. We were very poor in first half last night. People who noticed and commented weren’t wrong.

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You won’t get anywhere here with this kind of sensible take.

lysglimt said:

Not a single poster has written so many stupid posts as you have about OGS.....as for not criticizing him as a person.....that's debatable. If someone called me "not very smart" - I would consider it an attack on me as a person. But of course if you spent 2 years writing hundreds of posts about how clueless our manager is, I can see why you don't want us to do well. Because that would mean you are fairly clueless!

Oh and the last time I checked not winning a trophy doesn't equal that you are shit at your job.

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Do you know what you and Wummy should do. Get a bunch of posters together and go through this forum since its inception and quote every post where someone has criticised a player and manager. I'm sure you'll be in for a surprise.

Oh and can you stop with the baseless assumptions that I don't want us to do well.

FML working and missed the game completely.

I thought the argument is not that we always play badly - it's that we lack consistency

Godfather said:

You are implying that there should be no question mark above Ole and his job so far. The game yesterday doesn't change that we've had a lot of signs that he might not be the one to take us back on the top though. He's done a good job in stabilizing the team but we've had a lot of games under him where questions raised about him are fully justified.

So pointing out shitty posts from yesterday is fully fair as our second half was really really good. But people shouldn't make the mistake that arguments against Ole were never reasonable.

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No, that's not what I'm implying. What I'm implying is that it's fine to have views, as long as you're willing and able to adjust those views in the face of reality. As opposed to just locking your head into a fixed view, and then looking at reality in a way that guarantees you won't have to change to mind. Which it seems obvious to me that quite a lot people are doing.

Well good morning all

Bring it on

kouroux said:

Reacting negatively is one thing but to call for the manager's head aftee 1 half of a 2 legged tie ?? That makes no sense and you know some of these are dead serious

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Exactly. If you do this you’re probably doing it in every other thread constantly, just know that you suck and you’re dragging the mood down and for no reason. People need to learn to understand the concept of a process.

justsomebloke said:

No, that's not what I'm implying. What I'm implying is that it's fine to have views, as long as you're willing and able to adjust those views in the face of reality. As opposed to just locking your head into a fixed view, and then looking at reality in a way that guarantees you won't have to change to mind. Which it seems obvious to me that quite a lot people are doing.

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That has nothing to do with Ole and his job so far though. If we get performances like yesterday on a more consistent basis then I think most would change a more critical view on Ole. For me personally, the inconsistencies of our performances won't make games like yesterday change my view on him yet. If he gets us to play like that more consistently I'll happily admit to have been wrong about him.

Just to clarify: Doesn't mean my posts in the matchday thread were right. Those were written in pure emotion, fair enough to get called out on them.

To make amends and start my new era of unwavering positivity off on the right foot, I’d just like to say that the Glazers are fantastic owners and I appreciate everything they’ve done for us.

Schmeichel=God said:

Well good morning all

Bring it on

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Schmeichel=God said:

He stays but its fecking pathetic...how much of a shambles our side looks at so many intervals in games. It's like some sort of catch up mode gets switched on in favour of the opposition and we just play utter dogshite and nobody can fo the basics or use brain cells in game. Football IQ just shrivels into non existence.

But for what he has done with the club and the air around it he deserves to stay, at least another full season without recrimination.

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Your comment wasn't that bad to be fair. Kind of reasonable.

Wumminator said:

Miserable life?

Time to go through posts?

It literally took me I think about four minutes based on the time between my posts.

You once made a thread on here upset because a girl at work wouldn’t play Pokemon Go with you because she thought you were weird and recently spent money on something called “poocoin”. Why would you ever pity me?

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This is the greatest, most passive aggressive put down i have ever read.

032Devil said:

You should've added Scholes comments to the above.

The look of embarrasment on his face after Ole's comments about the pundits was telling.

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In fairness to Scholes though, he owned it.

Bilbo said:

If the intention of this thread was merely to humiliate other posters then people who say that it isn't necessary or that it only adds to the Cafes problem would be right, however I don't think that was the case here.

I don't know @Wumminator but I like his posts and I think he is only striving for the same thing that many other posters here (including myself) seem to want, which is a forum that isn't awash with agenda posters jumping on the manager and the team at every opportunity. The matchday threads are designed for this in-the-moment ranting and I'd never personally go there to read that stuff, but if threads such as the awful coaching one or the manager performance one are being bumped 30 minutes into a game then that is pretty embarrassing for those involved.

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Its only contained to match day threads because we won. Theres a lot worse when we draw a game after a fecking 5 game win streak etc. I remember the post match thread of the 1-1 milan game being told we always bottle it when it matters. That was 2 rounds ago and it seems it only matters when we lose because there isnt a peep out of them when we steamrolled a semi final.
Apparently Ole ran out of excuses that game.. Which we progressed from ffs.
Its about time the agenda setters were called out

Wumminator said:

Miserable life?

Time to go through posts?

It literally took me I think about four minutes based on the time between my posts.

You once made a thread on here upset because a girl at work wouldn’t play Pokemon Go with you because she thought you were weird and recently spent money on something called “poocoin”. Why would you ever pity me?

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Meh, he's just bitter that another chance to bump the "are you happy with this" thread has been taken away.

Godfather said:

That has nothing to do with Ole and his job so far though. If we get performances like yesterday on a more consistent basis then I think most would change a more critical view on Ole. For me personally, the inconsistencies of our performances won't make games like yesterday change my view on him yet. If he gets us to play like that more consistently I'll happily admit to have been wrong about him.

Just to clarify: Doesn't mean my posts in the matchday thread were right. Those were written in pure emotion, fair enough to get called out on them.

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I'd hope so, but when I see what gets written on this board as soon as we have a game that is less than impressive, I'm not really very confident that a lot of these people are in that space. Much of it is beyond reason, and very very obviously bears the mark of people having just mentally fenced themselves off from any counter-considerations. Most obviously through the moronic device of ascribing all good things to individual brilliance, which in effect allows them to just ignore all proof that contradicts their view. Combined with establishing arbitrary "standards" that haven't yet been met and until they have nothing means anything, and looking at the record only in certain ways that conveniently lead to the right answer, while everything else is just "stats".

For your part, I don't know, how much "consistency" is it that you require before you're prepared to entertain the notion we have a competent manager, and of what sort? No one's been winning more consistently other than City, no one's been scoring more consistently other than City and no one's been allowing goals more rarely other than City and Chelsea. Seems reasonably decent to me....

crossy1686 said:

The irony oozing from this post is amazing

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Glad I've been able to brighten your day. I stick to what I was saying, fighting fire with fire will never work out. Just look at this thread where a majority of posters is mocking other posters. If there would be a genuine wish to stop this endless fight, at some point, we should stop putting gasoline into the fire. Humiliating others with what they said after 45min of football after 90min are played isn't very classy.

Trying to define an acceptable level of criticism is bolt. Acting as if everybody who posts in threads like "awful coaching" is insane just because they suggesting not everything is rosey is sad. There is a reason, these threads are quieter these days: we improved our play a lot. There wouldn't be half of the criticism around ole, if we would have played like we do these days. But we didn't. We went out of CL-group pretty gloryless, said goodbye to the top-spot in the league in a dull way and we lost against Leicester in the cup because our opponent simply wanted it more. This belongs to the season just as much as the great phase, we are able to witness right now.

One of the truth's here is, that there is a small group of people getting triggered by what they see on the pitch and a big group of people getting triggered by what they see on an internet forum. With the bigger group often justifying some of their pettiness by calling it "supporting the club the right way".
Some of the things stated in this very thread here is the sort of stuff we would laugh at, when found on RAWK...

stw2022 said:

Football debate is so boring when the rules are we can only praise everything if we’ve won the last match or criticise it if we’ve lost.

Why don’t we just delete the whole Caf and just allow people to register pe-selected smiley faces expressing joy or annoyance depending on what the last result was.

It’s so tiresome. We get them same crap with player performances.

Player scores: ALL PREVIOUS CRITICAL REVIEWS OF HIS PERFORMANCES EVER ARE NOW UNJUSTIFIED


Player has a bad game: ANY GOOD PERFORMANCES IN THE PAST NOW NEVER EXISTED!

Don’t get why fans see it as a badge of honour that they have the attention span of a promiscuous gold fish and can only understand an opinion if it marries with the exact last thing to have happened. We were very poor in first half last night. People who noticed and commented weren’t wrong.

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Good post. If I could, I would like.

Personally don't think, we were very poor in the first half but not as focussed and determined as in the second. Match was even in my view while I was suprised about the sharpness of Roma and their ability to dribble out of our press. Gladly this resistance didn't last very long

Godfather said:

You are implying that there should be no question mark above Ole and his job so far. The game yesterday doesn't change that we've had a lot of signs that he might not be the one to take us back on the top though. He's done a good job in stabilizing the team but we've had a lot of games under him where questions raised about him are fully justified.

So pointing out shitty posts from yesterday is fully fair as our second half was really really good. But people shouldn't make the mistake that arguments against Ole were and still are never reasonable.

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Fully agree here as well and having to point it out explicitly is a bit discouraging in my eyes.