5 years and 36 penalties without saving one for DDG. Ole shouldn't let sentimentality running into his head!
11-53/8-11 | De Gea and Henderson penalty saving record going into shootout
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This has nothing to do with hindsight. We've had de Gea for 10 years. You know what you're getting with him in regards to pens. He shouldn't have been allowed to fail.Always easy to say in hindsight. De Gea deserved to start. Game should be finished off in 90 min anyway. Not his fault. I doubt Henderson would have done much better even.
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The point is every United player faced the pressure of having to score. Credit to them, they did. Villarreal didn’t face that same pressure.Yes but It doesn't matter at the end as all our 10 outfield players scored anyway. No difference to the outcome even if we went first.
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Eh? Mata and Telles were clearly subbed on with pens in mind.Another thing I noticed: Bruno seemed to win the toss to decide the penalty order… and we went second. Statistically that is a losing move.
Pogba being subbed off too suggests penalties weren’t really prepared for.
De Gea should have been Krul’d though. I refuse to believe he’s saved 11 penalties in his entire career.
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Yeah true, but that was just before the FT whistle.Eh? Mata and Telles were clearly subbed on with pens in mind.
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You probably are right that we faced extra pressure but the thing is, our outfield players handled it well. Unfortunately their keeper let them down big time by not saving (or even close to saving) one of the 11 penalties!The point is every United player faced the pressure of having to score. Credit to them, they did. Villarreal didn’t face that same pressure.
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If true then he must be sacked, his job is supposed to be winning titles not keeping players hearts unbroken.Probably ole didn't want to hurt de gea. It cost him the trophy.
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I'm sure most of us agreed Dave should deserve to start the game but we are talking about subbing him off for penalty shootout... a matured professional like him shouldn't regard this a snub, right??Always easy to say in hindsight. De Gea deserved to start. Game should be finished off in 90 min anyway. Not his fault. I doubt Henderson would have done much better even.
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Which was when he should have brought Henderson on. Better penalty saving record aside he’s the sort of cocky arrogant bastard who thrives on a situation like that. Dave just wilted.Yeah true, but that was just before the FT whistle.
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Yeah. I had no faith in DDG being the hero. He’s been crap for years and I have wanted him out for a while. I didn’t know about Hendo’s record though to fancy him for a Krul’ing.Which was when he should have brought Henderson on. Better penalty saving record aside he’s the sort of cocky arrogant bastard who thrives on a situation like that. Dave just wilted.
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If we had Krul on the bench, then sure.I'm sure most of us agreed Dave should deserve to start the game but we are talking about subbing him off for penalty shootout... a matured professional like him shouldn't regard this a snub, right??
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Commentators said he’s saved six penalties in the league since DDG last saved one.Yeah. I had no faith in DDG being the hero. He’s been crap for years and I have wanted him out for a while. I didn’t know about Hendo’s record though to fancy him for a Krul’ing.
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Not necessarily Kurl. DDG saved 11 out of 64 penalties (17.2%) and Hendo was 8 out of 19 (42.1%). No rocket science.If we had Krul on the bench, then sure.
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John Harrison:
You have to feel for #DeGea, it’s a horrible feeling to concede 11 PKs never mind failing to score one too! Tonight also extends #DeGea’s streak to now conceding 40 PKs in a row (including shootouts). There is only a 0.04% chance of this happening to an average PK saver
You have to feel for #DeGea, it’s a horrible feeling to concede 11 PKs never mind failing to score one too! Tonight also extends #DeGea’s streak to now conceding 40 PKs in a row (including shootouts). There is only a 0.04% chance of this happening to an average PK saver
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This is one decision Ole will regret for a long time. I had no faith in DDG saving any penalty unless they blasted one over the bar. Their players also seemed to know how bad DDG is at saving pens because they dispatched all of them confidently.
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This one is entirely on Ole and his staff. To not make use of Henderson when his record is that good really baffles me. Did we sacrifice a trophy to not upset De Gea by subbing him off?
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It's disrespectful to sub a keeper before penalty shootout. I can only remember it being done with Krul at the world cup. If you decide to start with De Gea you trust him until the end, simple.Not necessarily Kurl. DDG saved 11 out of 64 penalties (17.2%) and Hendo was 8 out of 19 (42.1%). No rocket science.
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To be fair, it's not on Ole. How do you tell your bosses they're paying the highest wages in the world to a GK who can't do some of the fundamentals of the position.
I think it's been evident for a while he prefers Henderson a lot more than DDG.
I think it's been evident for a while he prefers Henderson a lot more than DDG.
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I really didn't need to see Henderson's stats. That's just gonna make me angrier.
We have a notoriously shit keeper at penalties and one with an almost 50/50 record and we use the shit keeper when we had 2 subs left in injury time.
We have a notoriously shit keeper at penalties and one with an almost 50/50 record and we use the shit keeper when we had 2 subs left in injury time.
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Who gives a shit?It's disrespectful to sub a keeper before penalty shootout. I can only remember it being done with Krul at the world cup. If you decide to start with De Gea you trust him until the end, simple.
We went into a shootout with a keeper who is one of the all time worst penalty saving keepers in history and guess what ? He's fecking shite, gets nowhere near 11 penalties and we lose.
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sorry, but I couldn't care less about hurting a player's feelings in that situation. You do what you have to win the game, period. Did anybody really have any confidence in De Gea going into this? He's always been awful at that part of the game, so it was hardly a surprise to see what unfolded. I'd rather have won the shootout and dealt with a pissed off De Gea right now.It's disrespectful to sub a keeper before penalty shootout. I can only remember it being done with Krul at the world cup. If you decide to start with De Gea you trust him until the end, simple.
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Harrison is a real gem to follow on twitter. Always find his analyses extremely interesting personally.
That said, seems like there is a fundamental coaching issue here - who is United's GK coach and how is he streets behind a twitter analyst?
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I honestly thought they were going to sub Hendo on. You might as well hand them the trophy with DDG. Huge fail, that. At least give yourselves a chance!
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He had no confidence you could tell. It was as painful as watching Roy Carroll in the shootout against Arsenal in the 2005 FA Cup final.
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Yeah only need to look at his penalty to see proof of that I am afraid to sayWhich was when he should have brought Henderson on. Better penalty saving record aside he’s the sort of cocky arrogant bastard who thrives on a situation like that. Dave just wilted.
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I’m not sure if I feel more sorry for De Gea after Ole let him face a penalty shootout or more sorry for Ole after the worst shootout performance imaginable from a goalkeeper...
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de gea has strengths , as does Henderson... can’t decide. They both have positives the other doesn’t .. would probably gone henco for pens but a lot easier with hindsight
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would City, Liverpool, Chelsea made this error? Not at all.
I feel it is probably only us and Arsenal that would make judgement this badly. Maybe Spurs as well I guess.
I feel it is probably only us and Arsenal that would make judgement this badly. Maybe Spurs as well I guess.
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So every time a team loses a penalty shoot out it is going to be the manager's fault for not switching on his sub keeper for the penalties?
Ole made some big mistakes last night but playing De Gea and keeping him on was not one of them.
I have seen posts saying he never made a substitution until late on because he had seen how good his players were taking Penalties during practice well if that was the case wouldn't he have seen how good his goalkeepers were at saving them too?
You can blame Ole for starting Bailly and taking Greenwood off and not Rashford plus waiting too long to make a change which he often this but this weird he should have switched keepers nonsense is hindsight at its most pathetic
Ole made some big mistakes last night but playing De Gea and keeping him on was not one of them.
I have seen posts saying he never made a substitution until late on because he had seen how good his players were taking Penalties during practice well if that was the case wouldn't he have seen how good his goalkeepers were at saving them too?
You can blame Ole for starting Bailly and taking Greenwood off and not Rashford plus waiting too long to make a change which he often this but this weird he should have switched keepers nonsense is hindsight at its most pathetic
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Totally agree, you must respect the player no matter the cost, no matter if he's shit at it, no matter if it's going to clearly cost you at the end you'll end up empty handed but you'll know you respected that player and that's what the sport is about, not winning, but respecting players.It's disrespectful to sub a keeper before penalty shootout. I can only remember it being done with Krul at the world cup. If you decide to start with De Gea you trust him until the end, simple.
Our trophy room may be empty on first sight but watch all that respect, that cant be bought.
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Think i only saw once someone change keeper for a shootout, Krul i think was brought on.
Still though, with one keeper being notoriously bad at pens and one being decent i cant imagine why no one in our coaching staff thought of it
Still though, with one keeper being notoriously bad at pens and one being decent i cant imagine why no one in our coaching staff thought of it
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This shit is on Ole. Idiotic decision not to bring Henderson on for the penalties. He lost his balls.
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So every time a team loses a penalty shoot out it is going to be the manager's fault for not switching on his sub keeper for the penalties?
Ole made some big mistakes last night but playing De Gea and keeping him on was not one of them.
I have seen posts saying he never made a substitution until latr on because hd had seen how good his players were taking Penalties during practice well if that was the case wouldn't he have seen how good his goalkeepers were at saving them too?
Ole made some big mistakes last night but playing De Gea and keeping him on was not one of them.
I have seen posts saying he never made a substitution until latr on because hd had seen how good his players were taking Penalties during practice well if that was the case wouldn't he have seen how good his goalkeepers were at saving them too?
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They weren't planned for of course, until the last min or so when we brought Mata and Telles on just to take them.Another thing I noticed: Bruno seemed to win the toss to decide the penalty order… and we went second. Statistically that is a losing move.
Pogba being subbed off too suggests penalties weren’t really prepared for.
We could have brought Hendo on then.
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Let's not overdo it. Hendo isn't that great. It still wasn't a given.This shit is on Ole. Idiotic decision not to bring Henderson on for the penalties. He lost his balls.
It was only a couple of games back Hendo gave Salah the easiest finish a prem keeper had ever given up.
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It's not a given, but you give yourself more of a chance.Let's not overdo it. Hendo isn't that great. It still wasn't a given.
It was only a couple of games back Hendo gave Salah the easiest finish a prem keeper had ever given up.
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No only when you have someone that cant save one to save his life. If Romero was in goal, nobody would call for a change. De Gea is garbage.So every time a team loses a penalty shoot out it is going to be the manager's fault for not switching on his sub keeper for the penalties?
Ole made some big mistakes last night but playing De Gea and keeping him on was not one of them.
I have seen posts saying he never made a substitution until latr on because hd had seen how good his players were taking Penalties during practice well if that was the case wouldn't he have seen how good his goalkeepers were at saving them too?
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The second the commentator mentioned Hendo's 6 pen saves i did fear the inevitable.It's not a given, but you give yourself more of a chance.
But no-one could have foreseen 11 pens and missing one himself.
But when their keeper puts one into the top corner it's a ridiculous night.
I thought Mata and Telles did superbly to come on cold, not touch the ball then suddenly put their kicks in first touch.