Would take Enrique over ETH and Mancini over Poch.
Tuchel is worth considering too.
Tuchel is worth considering too.
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I wouldn’t wait for Enrique though if it meant waiting until after the World Cup.
Agreed. We can't afford to wait.
Tuchel now 3rd favorite on skybet.
An interesting option if he does leave Chelsea.
An interesting option if he does leave Chelsea.
Hag for me still.
Tuchel wasn't an option before. Tuchel is obviously a miles better manager than ETH or any other realistic candidate at this stage. Still not sure how possible it actually is but if he's available this should be an extremely easy decision. Very good candidate for the 3rd best manager in the world after Klopp and Guardiola and certainly in the top 5.I thought everyone was on board ETH train. He is seen as an up and coming manager capable of challenging Pep and Klopp in the long term.
All of sudden, everyone now going for Tuchel and abandon the long term project?
The last I heard was that Abramovic can't even sell the club anymore
Chelsea won’t exist within a few weeks remember.
Not a fan then?
I'm sticking with my own opinion that Poch would be a great manager for United. I haven't heard any of his players at Southampton or Tottenham say anything negative about him; quite the opposite. He got Spurs to a CL final playing excellent football and even though he has never won a pot, he knows the PL. PSG is a different kettle of fish and I won't hold the defeat at Real against him.
Assets frozen.
My choice would be... Diego Simeone.
It's easy to look a good manager when you are at a mid table club and over achieving, same with being at a relegation threatened club and finishing in the top half, you have totally different types of player and egos at the big clubs who expect to be winning or finishing runners up in every competition they play in.
Mauricio Pochettino - hardly doing very well managing all those egos at PSG.
Erik Ten Hag - Ajax don't really have big egos and the league isn't as strong as others, we don't really know how he would do - but everyone needs a chance to show what they can do and I'd be happy to see him given a chance.
The likes of Luis Enrique and Zinedine Zidane don't inspire me at all.
Diego Simeone has managed some big egos and spent money - which he seems to have spent rather well, he's also very strong mentally... so I think he'd command the respect of the players.
My biggest concern regardless of who the next manager is though... is getting rid of some of the average / mid table standard of players that we seem to be hoarding at this club, they are a burden that need shipping out to ensure the next manager can freely put his own name on the squad.
Imagine yourself being a top manager, you take the job and then get to say "Phil Jones - was once one of my players" players who just hang around collecting a wage, refuse to budge on loan, though it is also the clubs fault, when they come here we pay them so much money that another club can't afford them and then we are stuck with them, can't blame players for not wanting to take a pay cut, maybe we should give them wage rises based on their performances, not pay them silly amounts before they've even played a game for us because we just expect them to be brilliant.
It's easy to look a good manager when you are at a mid table club and over achieving, same with being at a relegation threatened club and finishing in the top half, you have totally different types of player and egos at the big clubs who expect to be winning or finishing runners up in every competition they play in.
Mauricio Pochettino - hardly doing very well managing all those egos at PSG.
Erik Ten Hag - Ajax don't really have big egos and the league isn't as strong as others, we don't really know how he would do - but everyone needs a chance to show what they can do and I'd be happy to see him given a chance.
The likes of Luis Enrique and Zinedine Zidane don't inspire me at all.
Diego Simeone has managed some big egos and spent money - which he seems to have spent rather well, he's also very strong mentally... so I think he'd command the respect of the players.
My biggest concern regardless of who the next manager is though... is getting rid of some of the average / mid table standard of players that we seem to be hoarding at this club, they are a burden that need shipping out to ensure the next manager can freely put his own name on the squad.
Imagine yourself being a top manager, you take the job and then get to say "Phil Jones - was once one of my players" players who just hang around collecting a wage, refuse to budge on loan, though it is also the clubs fault, when they come here we pay them so much money that another club can't afford them and then we are stuck with them, can't blame players for not wanting to take a pay cut, maybe we should give them wage rises based on their performances, not pay them silly amounts before they've even played a game for us because we just expect them to be brilliant.
I honestly don't believe the club will exert themselves in pursuing a coach with an average chance(at best) of moving.
Still on Ten Hag vs Hasenhüttl. I dont care what had happened between Ragnick and Hasenhüttl in the past. Its theirs business, not mine. I just give my opinion on what i have observed.
Again. If Ten Hag beat one of the best club right now in Bayern, City, Liverpool and Chelsea. Ten Hag is up there with the best.
And if Hasenhüttl beat City and Pep out of FA Cup. Hassenhuttl are up there with Pep and Klopp. Hasenhüttl has beat Liverpool and Klopp once too.
So for me personally. There are only between those too. Let see if they can beat the big guns. Biggest test for both.
Again. If Ten Hag beat one of the best club right now in Bayern, City, Liverpool and Chelsea. Ten Hag is up there with the best.
And if Hasenhüttl beat City and Pep out of FA Cup. Hassenhuttl are up there with Pep and Klopp. Hasenhüttl has beat Liverpool and Klopp once too.
So for me personally. There are only between those too. Let see if they can beat the big guns. Biggest test for both.
Got to be ten Haag over him surely? Has hasenhuttl ever managed anyone in the champions league? Ten Haag for me is gonna be one of the best managers in a few years, just needs to prove it by coming to the prem, he makes players better, that for me is proper coaching. Hasenhuttl will struggle with us I think.
Abandon what long term project? You're talking as though we run the club and select the manager. For all we know ETH may have never been offered the job anyway. There's no reason to believe Tuchel isn't a long term option either and he's 4 years younger than ETH, for what it's worth.I thought everyone was on board ETH train. He is seen as an up and coming manager capable of challenging Pep and Klopp in the long term.
All of sudden, everyone now going for Tuchel and abandon the long term project?
There's also no evidence that ETH can hang with Klopp or Pep, whereas Tuchel is more proven. Managers of ETH ilk have been and gone over the last few years and not many turn out top level.
What is the Obsession with Hassenhuttl?
He has overseen 2 9-0 defeats in his time at Southampton, his teams play ok football but don't set the world alight.
You want to give him the job at United when he can't set up a team at Southampton?
let me guess you saw him wearing a tracksuit & baseball cap & thought he looks like Klopp so maybe he is a great manager.
Wouldn't say no to Tommy Tuchel. He'd be right up there with Enrique for ideal manager, ETH being the ideal "prospect" choice.
Any of those 3 please Richard.
Any of those 3 please Richard.
A bit harsh on Hassenhutti.
he’s managing a team on a shoe string budget for feck sake! Why don’t people ever consider this before making silly comments about how their team play.
Interesting logic. Ole beat City, Liverpool and Chelsea. Do you consider him up there with the best?
Good post .
How can people even compare ETH and Tuchel is beyond me.
Tuchel wins this comparison hands down!
He's a much better manager and coach than Ole. If United played how his Southampton team do then we'd all be happy. Their downfall is that their squad is extremely average and can't avoid this fact every week. They're punching way above their weight at the moment.
I like ETH the most, but if we are to get the best available manager out there, Tuchel should be top of the list.
No.
In any case I believe we are well down the road to appointing ETH based on all the reports we have seen.
The Glazers wont go for someone unpopular on Social Media in any case.
The only (realistic/semi-realistic) managers I would be happy with (in order)...
- ten Hag
- Tuchel
- Zidane
- Enrique
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99% chance it's Pochettino next. Likely out of a job, club higher ups all 'admire' him, so do our crap players. Slots right in.
I suggest people get used to it...
I suggest people get used to it...
Tuchel! Tuchel! Tuchel!
Tuchel's stylistically closer to ten Hag than Rangnick. Tuchel in his own words has been heavily influenced by Cruyff, Wenger and Guardiola, and hence adopts the position play principles. And watching his teams play, it's clear that he wants to control zones on the pitch, with and without the ball.
Ask me again in a couple of weeks. As with many football fans, my attitude towards my club's manager is volatile and dependent on current events
Look at this fella piggybacking and rehashing the tweets that were out there last week from other journalists. Putting his neck on the line saying Poch is our no.1 target, everyone else is saying is level footing between the two and others considered.
Tuchel > Ten Hag > Poch
Tuchel, yeah but unlikely
Ten Hag, seems the popular choice, my one reservation is Dutch managers have been successful over there but not in England, he has done well in the Champions league so perhaps he can be different.
Simeone, my choice, drawback is he doesn't speak English and his style of football but we would have hunger and desire which are lacking now and he has done well with Athletico.
Poch, I'm not sure but he might be good.
After that it's Lopetugui for me.
Whoever comes we need a shake up of the squad, more youth and fight needed
Ten Hag, seems the popular choice, my one reservation is Dutch managers have been successful over there but not in England, he has done well in the Champions league so perhaps he can be different.
Simeone, my choice, drawback is he doesn't speak English and his style of football but we would have hunger and desire which are lacking now and he has done well with Athletico.
Poch, I'm not sure but he might be good.
After that it's Lopetugui for me.
Whoever comes we need a shake up of the squad, more youth and fight needed
Simeone is a total non-starter for anyone who hated the football under Jose.
He's also one of the highest paid managers in the world who just signed an extension last summer so he'd cost an arm and a leg to poach him on top of the language barrier.
Still a terrific manager and he's almost single handedly turned Atletico into an institution in Spain even in the face of the traditional duopoly there but would be just a terrible fit all around for United.
He's like Atletico's Fergie and Wenger so I don't expect him anywhere else tbh. If he ever left I'd only see it for another club dear to his heart like Inter/Lazio or back home in Argentina, not England
He's also one of the highest paid managers in the world who just signed an extension last summer so he'd cost an arm and a leg to poach him on top of the language barrier.
Still a terrific manager and he's almost single handedly turned Atletico into an institution in Spain even in the face of the traditional duopoly there but would be just a terrible fit all around for United.
He's like Atletico's Fergie and Wenger so I don't expect him anywhere else tbh. If he ever left I'd only see it for another club dear to his heart like Inter/Lazio or back home in Argentina, not England
I can see why Simone would not be considered by Utd, but there is this myth about how boring his football is.
I have never seen a team press Utd like Athletico did in that first half. Not even City or Liverpool…..and that was with half his team missing. I think with the right backing, this guy could surprise a few people!
To be fair, most teams we play find it quite easy to press well against us
We regularly have mid to lower table sides playing heavy metal football against us but yea he's not ever lacked quality in the final third with his teams.
Just that his playing style and the identity of his teams dont particularly mesh with the United ethos and what most of the fans enjoy watching so still don't think it'd be a great fit unless we had a massive clearout to allow him to mold the team into a proper Simeone side.
That would be unrecognizable to what we've currently got.
Not sure I agree. Tuchel stresses verticality more than Ten Hag. Even if he likes passing it about more than other German coaches.
I'd say Tuchel is currently a halfway house between the German and Dutch schools. To use Klopp terms he's the conductor of a Heavy metal orchestra.
You cannot play the German way without a grounding in shape and position play. Indeed, we've had reports of our players moaning about the amount of shapework Rangnick has them do in training. Unfortunately for them it's impossible to launch coordinated pressing moves without drilling shape relentlessly.
Tuchel's Chelsea don't press high, they lure opponents into areas of the pitch, counter press then transition. This is what Rangnick has taken to doing after seeing our squad of Big time Charlie's fail to implement a high pressing 4222.
When Chelsea attack the stress is on verticality. Chelsea are not trying to hold possession as a means of self defence or trying to pick the lock Dutch style. Chelsea thrive when they can exploit transitions.
For these reasons I see Tuchel as closer to Rangnick than Ten Hag. Ten Hag is closer to Pep than Tuchel.
I do not mind either Tuchel or ETH. Certainly not Poch but knowing Manchester United, they will get Poch thinking he can get Kane.
To be fair to Poch, playing with Messi is akin to playing with 10 men. And they had the game under control until Donnamura feked up.
With that being said prefer ETH over him.
But we all know Poch will be the manager this summer.
With that being said prefer ETH over him.
But we all know Poch will be the manager this summer.
Atletico barely average 50% possession. Simeone is a great coach no doubt but their style of football is awful to watch. Would never want him here.
Erik ten Hag is also the same and sets his teams out to play a very vertical game. Did you watch Tuchel at Dortmund and Mainz? Erik ten Hag is a cross between a Guardiola and a Klopp in style and I've mentioned this before in my previous posts. And I agree Tuchel is a hybrid in style between the heavy counter pressing approach of Rangnick, Klopp, Hassenhuttl and the zone control via possession approach of Guardiola, Cruyff and Wenger. Hence why Tuchel has gone on record and said he's been heavily influenced by the aforementioned coaches who exerted zonal and positional control straight from the Rinus Michels play book.
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There's no such thing as the German or Dutch way in reality. These are ideas that have been tweaked over many decades from different eras and adopted in the modern game. And organisation and shape is of absolute paramount importance for any approach but there's a difference between setting up to exert zonal and positional control via possession in a vertical axis and a approach where the aim is to play a very direct vertical game with minimal amounts of passes towards the opposition goal. But to set up in the first equation, one must implement a strong positional game on the ball to control possession and open up opportunities for the free man. And it's well documented that Tuchel adopts the same principles which were obvious to see at Mainz and Dortmund.
Tuchel imo has adapted to change at both PSG and Chelsea. And like Erik ten Hag and Graham Potter, he's a coach that has shown the ability to coach a strong on the ball game (positional play) and off the ball game via counter pressing etc. Rangnick is purely a counter pressing coaching.
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