No, I did, but thanks for watching out for me. Other people are addressing it, no need for me to repeat what other people are saying.so you found no problem at all with dt12's post and this was what needed to be addressed.
I see, I read it more as separate points, my bad.
Surely this?
yeah but none of that convinces. it comes down to a few social media campaigns. and then some questions about funding. but it was british representatives who led the brexit debate. the russian story was convenient to many but it's mostly bullshit. just like the US equivalent which we now know is almost entirely fabricated beyond an incredibly small scale trolling operation. if twitter were that influential Corbyn wold have won 2019 by a landslide.
That's a bit harsh, isn't it? Not everybody can possess the masterfully deductive skills you're displaying here:
It's elementary, Watson! They don't even have pens and paper in front of them, they have to be receiving orders.
Fascinating. How did you deduct that? Did you hack the web cams of our computers and see that we don't have any pens in front of us?
Sure. Everyone of us suffers from the inflation but we just want it to go on to be entertained. You could also call it the most expensive Netflix subscription in history. Also..
So the West is dragging the war on and simultaneously surprised by the war dragging on. Man, we are so dumb.
Russian car manufacturers sold 80% less cars in May 2022 than they did in May 2021. 50% higher prices for new cars, new Ladas will be produced without air bags.
We will see. I'm especially curious as to how Russia plans to hold the occupied territories against insurgencies in case they are actually able to defend them in the long term.
For decades now, and on a massive-scale, Russia has been pumping misinformation and lies into the West using a wide variety of channels and means. This has aimed to undermine faith in democracy, foster cynicism, widen social divisions, muddy the waters and generally sow confusion, strife and chaos. It has done this by trying to persuade people that almost anything could be true (no matter how bizarre the conspiracy theories, many of them started by Russia), that almost nothing can be relied on as truth, and that truth itself is a moveable feast and entirely malleable.
yeah but it was Clinton who was responsible for the conspiracy theories in 2016 insofar as stolen elections go. that's now being verified by court proceedings. i've never really seen any real solid examples of russian misinformation campaigns. they're always cited and never proven. also, i'd like to see statistics on the influence the russians exerted on brexit. i doubt there are any because it's mostly an ideological argument without any knowable or reliable proof. did the russians blackmail cameron into calling a referendum? or blackmail the british press into running right wing propaganda? i really don't think so.
Generally I tend to appreciate your input (while disagreeing with you on most of the points) as a kind of a balancing act to an obviously one-sided coverage of the conflict (since Russia doesn't even try to compete with Ukraine in the actual information war, instead limiting itself to spatting out baseless and toxic propaganda) but this is an absolute car wreck of a post filled with conspiracies theories (like USA literally controlling every move that Zelenskiy makes) & far-fetched arguments (like Russia not giving any time scale of the operation being interpreted in a way that they predicted the way that this conflict was going to go and didn't intend to take Kiyv in the first weeks).
Yeah, been a while since I added one to the ignore list. Mask has slipped and now we just get all the classic conspiracies. Here we go!
Russian troll farms are real and they have helped and do help sway public opinion all around the world, including in Brexit and the US elections.
I still think Facebook changing their algorithm was the biggest difference between Brexit referendum+2017 election and then 2019 election. Yes the Labour 2019 election campaign was also dreadful but the fever on social media was generally starting to abate.
Thanks for the response. I think that if you are looking for that standard of proof then (speaking about the UK) you are very unlikely to get it. Intelligence services won''t be able to disclose the level of proof required by a criminal court - indeed they have often vetoed the prosecution of suspected terrorists for that reason. There is a price to be paid disclosing evidence which may show you have assets in a hostile state, or even worse (in terms of consequences) that you have compromised that hostile state's communications. The ISC Report was heavily redacted for those reasons.
He corrected a mistake in a post pointing out mistakes, he didn't defend @DT12 and, in fact, didn't even mention him. It's good to be diligent and this notion is quite important in understanding the current scale of the conflict and the potential of its development.
The two bolded bits of text contradict each other.
two different kinds. the one you never see proof of is the primary conspiracy like brexit or trump which i don't think there is proof of. this is a russian war so obviously calling it a special military operation is disinformation or misinformation in the same way that calling the "liberation" of iraq an action to spread "democracy" was disinformation. ironically the only proof we've seen of conspiracy in the american elections comes from clinton's campaign team, one of them being grilled over misleading the fbi about made up theories.
could be. social media in general has been a bad thing imo.
yeah i understand that. my opinion is that russia would have been happy at the prospect of brexit but that they likely did little or had little effect in the overall outcome. the broader societal trends are where peope should be looking. christ knows the majority of the british press is rabidly right wing and that doesn't have a whole lot to do with russia.
i agree on russian money. that's where people should look. the news/troll farms would just be competing with domestic right wing nutjobs so i'll always argue that their importance has been massively overstated by domestic political entities looking to project their own insufficiencies away from themselves. the money is real though as the tory party will know.
Could you explain that a bit more in detail? Conspiracy theories have been influencing the American elections since over a decade heavily. Even if you ignore the whole stolen election story because it primarily happened afterwards or pizza gate because it can't be traced back to the candidate teams, what about Trump dismissing absentee voting because it will be rigged etc.? If anything, conspiracy theories have been institutionalized in recent elections.
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/05/17/politics/michael-sussman-john-durham-trial/index.html
It was me who asked about the quotes marks and your explanation makes no sense.
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled... etc
There is a reptilian handler above the table and they're all bowing to him.
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Уeah, one thing really scares Londoners, getting bombed. Worked wonders for one chap in the 40s.
"The Anglo-Saxons". Fit right in in France!
They like making threats these Russians don’t they. Empty vessels and all that
I swear they invent new names for their enemies every few months. Anglo-Saxons is the trending one at the moment — sounds a bit different than NATO & is more inclusive than Europe & USA on their own... even though historically it doesn't make any sense.
Well he's been talking with Macron a lot, just saying...
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Modern usage of the term, as in used to refer to contemporary people rather than a historical group, is actually fairly popular in some online white supremacist places. I can't remember seeing it used as an insult, though.
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I don't get it. Barrel changes are a normal part of artillery life, and should be done before the inaccuracy starts. It's a non issue.
Maybe they don’t have replacement barrels in Ukraine? They did think this war would be over in a matter of days.
But what do you think about Putin and his buddies pillaging all that should belong to the Russian people? About their gangster club? About their apparent double lives with other women? Aren't these just the worst kind of men, pissing on the rest of the world for their own gratification? Utter cnuts basically. I'm sure the US and the UK and the West generally have some (necessary) dodgy dealings with them, but these cnuts are really the lowest of the low..... comment on that please rather than answering the question by referring back to the west.
Given the US role in this war and Ukraines position, do we really think Zelensky is making his own independent decisions here? That would be extremely naive.
This post is backed by nothing. Why do you retweet every fringe theory I don't get it.
It's backed by facts and figures, including the fact that artillery barrels do wear out. If you think the figures given are wrong (and I don't know either way), then say why.
