Who's the best PL manager to have not won a PL title?

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PL winning managers:
SAF
Dalglish
Wenger
Mourinho
Ancelotti
Mancini
Pellegrini
Ranieri
Conte
Guardiola
Klopp

Must have managed at least 38 PL games

Managers that won the CL with a PL club but not the PL

Benitez
Di Matteo
Tuchel

Valiant Runners ups:
Atkinson
Keegan
Avram Grant
Benitez
Brendan Rodgers
Pochettino
Solskjaer
Arteta

Is it one of them? Or someone else?
 
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Sir Alex. Remember he only won 13 PL titles due to having the FA and the refs in his back pocket. Or something along those lines..
 

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Skills said:
PL winning managers:
SAF
Dalglish
Wenger
Mourinho
Ancelotti
Mancini
Pellegrini
Ranieri
Conte
Guardiola
Klopp

Must have managed at least 38 PL games

Managers that won the CL with a PL club but not the PL

Benitez
Di Matteo
Tuchel

Valiant Runners ups:
Atkinson
Keegan
Avram Grant
Benitez
Brendan Rodgers
Pochettino
Solskjaer
Arteta

Is it one of them? Or someone else?
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Italy = 4
Scotland = 2
Argentina = 1
France = 1
Germany = 1
Portugal = 1
Spain Catalonia = 1

Good spread?

England haven’t had a single winner of the new Division 1 (PL). Have to be the only league where a native hasn’t won it in 33 years (and counting).
 

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Redknapp is a good shout, I still recall that season he signed Hartson and Kitson to keep the Hammers up. Had a good Spurs team too.

Wildcard: Alan Curbishly
 

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Pochettino's Spurs were probably the best team I've seen with a manager that hasn't won it.
 

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Benitez. In the first decade of the 2000s he was undoubtedly a world class manager.
 

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I know he never managed a full season but Hiddink has to be in with a shout.

Had he stayed on full time after his first interim spell I'd have been every bit as confident of winning the league as I was at the start of 05/06.
 

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Poch and Rafa. Rafa won the La Liga twice, UEFA Cup and UCL. He's obviously dropped down now so people tend to forget how good he was before Liverpool. That being said, Liverpool in 2008-09 were really good as well but we happened to have our greatest team of the PL era at the same time.

Poch is still relative young but I think he's a good manager.

Including pre-EPL Sir Bobby comes to mind.
 

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Terry Venables is the obvious name that has been omitted in OP's list. Man won La Liga and finished European Cup runners up with then unfancied Barca, and also had a FA Cup win in '91, but had the misfortunate or poor eye for picking a club - many were or ran into financial issues.

Also did well enough with England in '96 to have deserved an opportunity to manage a title-challenging PL club in the 90s.
 

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hasanejaz88 said:
Poch and Rafa. Rafa won the La Liga twice, UEFA Cup and UCL. He's obviously dropped down now so people tend to forget how good he was before Liverpool. That being said, Liverpool in 2008-09 were really good as well but we happened to have our greatest team of the PL era at the same time.

Poch is still relative young but I think he's a good manager.

Including pre-EPL Sir Bobby comes to mind.
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How can you rate Poch over Tuchel?

Rafa I agree with.
 

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Perhaps Bobby Robson, wasn't in the PL that long but he won quite a lot of trophies outside of England
 

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Tuchel
Rafael
Redknapp
Poch
Venables

Probably in that order

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Klopp,I have no memory of Liverpool winning the premier league.
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Yep. COVID season, empty stadiums. Barely registers in my mind really. It's all a blur
 

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KeanoMagicHat said:
Pochettino's Spurs were probably the best team I've seen with a manager that hasn't won it.
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I especially enjoyed watching them when they finished 2nd in 2016/2017 with 86 points. I think had 17 wins and 2 draws from their 19 home league matches that season. Their performances of their full-backs Walker and Rose, with Trippier and Davies as good back-up options, made them fun to watch..

Obviously Leicester in 2015/2016 were an especially huge exception, but I believe that around 80% of the time teams that finish in the Premier League top 4 have one of the top 4 wage bills. So while I like others have made fun of them not winning any silverware for so long (Blackburn still having won as many trophies as Tottenham in the 21st century is funny), their 4 consecutive top 4 / 3 consecutive top 3 finishes under Pochettino was definitely impressive IMO.
 

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hasanejaz88 said:
Poch and Rafa. Rafa won the La Liga twice, UEFA Cup and UCL. He's obviously dropped down now so people tend to forget how good he was before Liverpool. That being said, Liverpool in 2008-09 were really good as well but we happened to have our greatest team of the PL era at the same time.

Poch is still relative young but I think he's a good manager.

Including pre-EPL Sir Bobby comes to mind.
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In 2008/2009, Man Utd, Liverpool and Chelsea were literally 3 of the best 4 teams in Europe alongside Barcelona. That is surely at least one of the strongest set of 1st, 2nd and 3rd place teams during the Premier League era.

Liverpool were also pretty strong in the league in 2005/2006, finishing 3rd with 82 points and winning all of their 9 final games. I've seen arguements over the years that Houllier was a better Liverpool manager than Benitez, but I've never agreed with that. Benitez faced far stronger competion in the league than Houllier did IMO, with the rise of Chelsea a major factor alongside Utd's rise again after their 'transitional period' from 2004-2006. I think they finished with 3 more points when they finished 7th during Benitez's final season in 2009/2010, than they did when they finished 4th in Houllier's final season in 2003/2004.
 
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2005-2009 Liverpool were far better
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Thought Spurs were better to watch. Liverpool in 2008/09 were good yeah, if they had a better backup striker for Torres and Robbie Keane settled in better they could have won the league that year.
 

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Liverpool 05-06 was probably Benitez at his prime. Lots of cleansheets.

Spurs peaked in 15/16 imo. Even though they finished higher in 16/17, they had a genuine chance of winning the title, and I remember Alli and Kane ripping Stoke to shreds - thinking that was their moment.
 
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