Rashford out partying at nightclub hours before reporting as too ill to attend training

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Smithy89 said:
I don't think he wants to play for United anymore....
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He hasn't shown a desire to play for United for quite sometime now, and this latest transgression, coming at a time when Sancho has only recently been loaned out because of his piss poor attitude, and with INEOS publicly stating that they will raise standards at the club, is either utter stupidity from Rashford, or a calculated ploy to force a move away.

Perhaps he has become disillusioned at how badly United are run, but he is now one of the senior players, and its for players of his stature to drag the club out of the slump, not to strop about like a sugar plum fairy.
 

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Ah cheers. Id be upset if I spent £75 in Thompsons Garage, never mind £750k so that makes more sense
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Yea, fair play. If I was offered 75 quid to go into Thompsons I think I would try and get more out of it before heading in.
 

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I also believe he doesn't want to be at the club anymore. Can see him at Newcastle in the summer if they can sort out their FFP issues
 

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MancunianAngels said:
Why?
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He is unbelievably inconsistent, has a massive ego not befitting his talent and simply rarely puts a shift in. He slows all of our play down and a lot of the time is the reason why things break down. He also sulks when he can't play in one position. Add to that his value is only going to go down as he becomes even worse, and that he earns a hell of a lot, it's a no brainer for me.
 

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I'm waiting fot the squad announcement on Thursday for the Wolves game. At that point I'll know whether or not the Ratcliffe era will actually yield tangible results or whether this is who we are now for the next 10 years.
 

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Marcus has always had the support of some United fans but he`s now becoming an example of why United look nowhere near winning the title or European Cup. If he did go on that bender regardless of whether he feels mentally fragile or has other problems, it`s time for him to part ways with United.

No need for this to turn into a saga - get him out the door as soon as it can be done. Some of us really wanted him to stay and were supporting him but if the reports we are hearing are accurate, he has just turned this into yet another nail in the coffin of the Manchester United that used to put discipline and process above pandering to multi millionaire players. If Marcus` attitude has sunk so low then get rid of him.

Until United returns to respecting its manager and showing the door to players regardless of name and reputation when they corrode the team by their actions and think they`re big enough to undermine the manager with no repercussions, then nothing will change.
 
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D. Grayson said:
He is inconsistent, but he is still our best attacker. When Rashford is out of the team or playing poorly we have seasons like the current one or the Rangnick season as simple as that.
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If he is our best attacker, then getting rid of him and buying a better player, who is less inconsistent to boot, should be the way to operate.
 

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Seriously, who would want him?

Also doubt very much he’d want to leave even if there was interest. Its a different world outside comfy Old Trafford.
 

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Zed 101 said:
Probably Rashford is out of order, but for all we know he might have been given time off anyway and it's all therefore irrelevant…

I am not condoning Rashford's "transgression"
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Sounds exactly like you are condoning Rashfords transgression. They had a week off the week before, he could’ve drank Belfast dry that week if he wanted, but his off field decision making is just as bad as his on field.
 

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D. Grayson said:
The two-month purple period that Rashford had is better than anything any of our other forwards have ever accomplished, and they might never achieve it. His career 132 goals and 74 assists prove that the notion that he only had one good "purple period" is an idiotic fallacy. Selling him without finding someone to fill his boots would be a mistake.
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Stats don't tell the whole story.

We all have eyes, we can see just how bad he has been, how much he doesn't seem to care and how unprofessional he has been. You can't hide that with statistics.
His purple patch finished almost a year ago now and he has shown no signs of reaching those heights again.

But yeah, lets stick him in the team so he can shoot when he should pass, so he can run with his head down and take the ball out of play over and over again, so he can "cross" it into the legs of the defenders, so he can throw his arms up in the air when he gets tackled etc etc etc
 

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Rashford should be given the remaining part of the season to get his shit sorted. If he doesn't improve up to that point then we should sell. Else we risk a Sancho MK2
 

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TMDaines said:
What are you bleating on about? If you are going to be a pedant, at least be accurate.

Literally got better things to do than argue with someone who wants to keep doubling down on the UK not being a country.
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golden_blunder said:
Call the U.K. a country if you want but technically it’s a conglomerate of 4 different countries
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The UK fits the definition of a country. Scotland, Wales, England and Northern Ireland also fit the definition of countries. They're all countries. The UK is the state.
 

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jeff gurr said:
If you call paying his wages to play football for another club successful then yes . Taught him a lesson that he'll never forget.
And now you want to do the same thing with Rashford.. !!
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If it means getting them out of the club then yes. This all goes back to our old board of giving out stupid contracts like confetti.
The club needs to start to install discipline again and I can’t think of a better way than to show players that if you don’t toe the line then you are out, either sold on loan or in the reserves. To many players have an attitude that stinks Rashford doesn’t give a tuppence for the club and I hope they have read the riot act to him and this is his last chance, personally I’d be dropping him from the first team because quite frankly he’s over rated and rather average, that’s putting it politely.
 

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If Ten Hag plays him, there goes the last bit of his credibility. If the club don't try to sell in the summer, it undermines the new direction the club is trying to go in and the credibility of the new decision makers.

We need to move on from Rashford.
 

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D. Grayson said:
If we sold Rashford without having a player as good as or better than him in our squad, it would be mind-boggling stupid, and irrational. As inconsistent as he is, Rashford is still miles better than all of our other forwards, and he likely contributed more goals and assists last season than all of the other forwards combined. The idea of selling him until we have a better player is absurd.
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Bloody hell the way he plays it shouldn’t be to difficult to find a player as good as or better than him, watching the FA Cup matches last weekend there are a few players out there in lower divisions who Utd could make an excellent investment in.
I really think you should take those rose tainted glasses off when watching Rashford.
 

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General question, and I'm not trying to troll, bait or wind anyone up - it's a genuine question:

If someone fairly regularly attends nightclubs, what's the (statistical, if you will) likelihood of them not drinking alcohol whilst there?

What sort of person does not drink alcohol (or use other substances) whilst fairly regularly attending nightclubs?

Designated drivers?

Pickup artists who consider it advantageous to remain sober (while their targets are, at least potentially, drunk or otherwise under the influence)?

People who love to dance and who do not mind dancing amongst mainly drunk or coked up patrons?

People who for non-obvious reasons simply appreciate the overall ambience of nightclubs?

Now, of course the above goes for regular people - not celebrities.

For the latter category, there could be at least one additional factor: being seen, getting noticed, boosting (or at least maintaining) your status if that means anything to you.

(But, general as this post was intended to be, I cannot help but point out that being seen in Belfast, in what seems to be a bit of a shithole, can't be all that desirable in and of itself.)
 

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Luffy said:
If he is our best attacker, then getting rid of him and buying a better player, who is less inconsistent to boot, should be the way to operate.
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Melville Red said:
Bloody hell the way he plays it shouldn’t be to difficult to find a player as good as or better than him, watching the FA Cup matches last weekend there are a few players out there in lower divisions who Utd could make an excellent investment in.
I really think you should take those rose tainted glasses off when watching Rashford.
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I think you should remember that you can't win a bloody football game without scoring goals and that scoring goals and winning matches for one of the most scrutinized teams in world football is not something any Tom, Dick, or Harry can do. So instead of sacking off our biggest match-winning asset, we should buy players to play alongside him to match or better his output and then sell him if he continues to hold the team back.
 

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buchansleftleg said:
If the club is interested in protecting him he won't be in the squad for Wolves because he would then be eligible for a "random" drugs test. Long hours of binge drinking is seldom done in "isolation" of other substances and that is what particularly concerns me. I hope he isn't in the squad because that means we have chosen to try and sell him or rehabilitate him.

If he is in the squad then the club are actively not protecting him from the implications of a potential positive drugs test and may be looking to terminate his contract. I think they would also only do this if they know there is no significant interest from other clubs in taking him via a quick sale.
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Cocaine’s half-life is roughly one hour. This means that it takes about an hour for the body to eliminate half of the cocaine currently in the bloodstream.

So unless they take hair samples, or Marcus take a LOT of Coke, this wouldn’t be a particularly cunning plan
 

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AlexUTD said:
He is 26 mate,we are past getting shit sorted. The train has gone in my opinion.

Rio said it the best abot the right mentality:

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I see your point and quite frankly you might be right but we all know that if he goes in a goal spree then all of this will be forgiven and he won't be sold. The guy is homegrown, he's the face of Manchester United and he's one of the very few players we've got with some genuine talent.
 

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Kaizane said:
If Ten Hag plays him, there goes the last bit of his credibility. If the club don't try to sell in the summer, it undermines the new direction the club is trying to go in and the credibility of the new decision makers.

We need to move on from Rashford.
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Yes let's decrease his value. If the club wants to sell him in the summer we need to be playing him. He'll start on the bench anyway I think, and would have even before his antics in Belfast.
 

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I find the narrative that he is a world class talent frustrating. Either the pundits have an English bias, don’t watch him regularly or have an extremely low bar for what constitutes ‘World class’. Marcus has never been a nailed on starter for England and is in real danger of not making the squad for Euro 24. So if he’s not even ‘England’ class, how can he be considered one of the best in the world?
 

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Goldbridge has always been a WUM but he’s truly beclowned himself today with his defense of Rashford.

It’s just a working theory, probably daft, but what I see as the common thread in the player circus that United have become is the attention many of these players are seeking. But the problem with my theory, which needs refinement, is that we had attention-seeking players in the past like Cantona and Beckham, and Ronaldo, yet they all put in the hard euro in training and delivered the goods on the pitch. That work ethic is now shattered at OT.

Thank you, Marcus Rashford, for adding life to the bonfire of disgrace that is Manchester United.
 

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You guys don't know all the facts.

Maybe he's friends with the owner of the club who had texted Marcus to tell him one of the pipes in the club basement had burst and Rashford just so happened to have been spending his spare time doing an online plumbing course. So he pops over to lend a hand and whilst there he politely declined a photo with a bartender (who then made up lies about his entire night out of spite). Then he spends hours in the basement up to his waist in water fixing this pipe for the club. He's so concerned with helping his friend out that he doesn't realise it's nearly 3am when he finally completes the job. All that time in the water has made him feel quite ill, but it doesn't set in properly until the next morning. Despite how rotten he feels he gets up early and boards the first flight home. On the way he calls ETH to explain.

ETH is then only frustrated Rashford made himself sick out of exuberance to help a friend and that whilst his heart was in the right place he can't do something like that again.

You just don't know. Only the people at the club, Rashford and anyone in the general Belfast area knows the full details.

ETH has forgiven him, the squad have forgiven him, the club say he's welcome back any time. Why are we so bothered? Trial by social media if I've ever seen it.
 

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Solius said:
You guys don't know all the facts.

Maybe he's friends with the owner of the club who had texted Marcus to tell him one of the pipes in the club basement had burst and Rashford just so happened to have been spending his spare time doing an online plumbing course. So he pops over to lend a hand and whilst there he politely declined a photo with a bartender (who then made up lies about his entire night out of spite). Then he spends hours in the basement up to his waist in water fixing this pipe for the club. He's so concerned with helping his friend out that he doesn't realise it's nearly 3am when he finally completes the job. All that time in the water has made him feel quite ill, but it doesn't set in properly until the next morning. Despite how rotten he feels he gets up early and boards the first flight home. On the way he calls ETH to explain.

ETH is then only frustrated Rashford made himself sick out of exuberance to help a friend and that whilst his heart was in the right place he can't do something like that again.

You just don't know. Only the people at the club, Rashford and anyone in the general Belfast area knows the full details.

ETH has forgiven him, the squad have forgiven him, the club say he's welcome back any time. Why are we so bothered? Trial by social media if I've ever seen it.
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I think my 4d chess scenario is more plausible.
 

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red_de_pologne said:
Yes let's decrease his value. If the club wants to sell him in the summer we need to be playing him. He'll start on the bench anyway I think, and would have even before his antics in Belfast.
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I was merely highlighting the predicament the club are in thanks to him yet again undermining it, and the last line being my own conclusion, but thanks for reminding me about what really matters.
 

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AlexUTD said:
He is 26 mate,we are past getting shit sorted. The train has gone in my opinion.

Rio said it the best abot the right mentality:

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Rio talking about the right mentality :lol: And you're lapping it up as well
 

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Solius said:
You guys don't know all the facts.

Maybe he's friends with the owner of the club who had texted Marcus to tell him one of the pipes in the club basement had burst and Rashford just so happened to have been spending his spare time doing an online plumbing course. So he pops over to lend a hand and whilst there he politely declined a photo with a bartender (who then made up lies about his entire night out of spite). Then he spends hours in the basement up to his waist in water fixing this pipe for the club. He's so concerned with helping his friend out that he doesn't realise it's nearly 3am when he finally completes the job. All that time in the water has made him feel quite ill, but it doesn't set in properly until the next morning. Despite how rotten he feels he gets up early and boards the first flight home. On the way he calls ETH to explain.

ETH is then only frustrated Rashford made himself sick out of exuberance to help a friend and that whilst his heart was in the right place he can't do something like that again.

You just don't know. Only the people at the club, Rashford and anyone in the general Belfast area knows the full details.

ETH has forgiven him, the squad have forgiven him, the club say he's welcome back any time. Why are we so bothered? Trial by social media if I've ever seen it.
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You've clearly been spending a lot of time "researching" the "Confessions of a Plumber" Robin Askwith films in order to come up with this alternative take on events.
Coming soon... Rashford accidentally soaks busty housewife with soapy water from his window cleaning bucket....
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dcrompton said:
I find the narrative that he is a world class talent frustrating.
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That isn't actually a narrative, though - is it?

But if it is, it's a bollocks narrative.

Rashford was never considered an off-the-charts raw talent before his breakthrough under LVG.

He was never anywhere near the Ryan Wilson (better known as Giggs) category, if you want a super-hyped youth player who actually turned into a world beater.

Nor was he anywhere near the Ravel Morrison category, if you want a super-hyped youth player who never turned into anything at all.

Point being, he wasn't someone people expected to be great because he clearly possessed extreme qualities of the sort that...well, would make people have those expectations (unlike Wilson/Giggs and Morrison).

He's a very good player at his best, make no mistake about that. But he was never a special talent (in the context of Manchester United's history, not even our relatively recent history), make no mistake about that either.
 
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