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Enjoyed doing this! Not easy considering so many great players they've had through the years. However going on what I've seen myself, my personal favourites and trying to acheive best balance, I've gone for the following.

Khan

Lahm
Beckenbauer
Buchwald
Breitner

Effenberg
Mattaus
Netzer

Özil

G. Muller
Rummenigge

Formation 4-3-1-2
 

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It's shameful to put Ozil just to annoy German members.
 

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1. Leibnitz

5. Schelling
3. Hegel (kpt)
4. Schopenhauer

2. Kant
7. Jaspers
6. Beckebauer
8. Schlegel
11. Heidegger

10. Nietzsche
9. Wittgenstein

Sub: 1. Marx
 

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Grande said:
1. Leibnitz

5. Schelling
3. Hegel (kpt)
4. Schopenhauer

2. Kant
7. Jaspers
6. Beckebauer
8. Schlegel
11. Heidegger

10. Nietzsche
9. Wittgenstein

Sub: 1. Marx
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Beckenbauer obviously a bit of surprise there.
 

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Rummenigge - G. Müller - T. Müller
Kroos - Matthäus - Breitner
Brehme - Kohler - Beckenbauer - Lahm
Neuer
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I think I like this one today. It was tempting to include Netzer here but I couldn't leave Breitner (specifically the midfield version) out with Rummenigge already on the team. Kroos and Beckenbauer give this team a lot of control in midfield and I really like Müller Jr. in the supporting role.

Grande said:
1. Leibnitz

5. Schelling
3. Hegel (kpt)
4. Schopenhauer

2. Kant
7. Jaspers
6. Beckebauer
8. Schlegel
11. Heidegger

10. Nietzsche
9. Wittgenstein

Sub: 1. Marx
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Surely the way to go is to have Marx and Heidegger as your left and right wingers respectively?

And while Wittgenstein can certainly play (ba dum tss), I'm not sure that he's eligible with him being Austrian and all.

edit: wanted to reply to @Oranges038 about Beckenbauer having experience in a similar XI and only then realized that you've simply copy-pasted theirs! Whoosh.
 

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Grande said:
1. Leibnitz

5. Schelling
3. Hegel (kpt)
4. Schopenhauer

2. Kant
7. Jaspers
6. Beckebauer
8. Schlegel
11. Heidegger

10. Nietzsche
9. Wittgenstein

Sub: 1. Marx
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It's a good side.

Has some weaknesses, though.

I mean, Jaspers? Could be replaced with pretty much anyone if you ask me - Adorno, Horkheimer, even the dreaded Habermas if you want to go "modern".

Also, which Schlegel? Going with both brothers (on each flank) would have been something. But on his own (whoever it is)? Nah. Replace with someone like - say - Fichte, for me.

Beckenbauer is the one you can't possibly drop, of course (even if he will, always, be a bit of a surprise - but that's precisely what you want here).
 
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I loved Kahn growing up. He doesn't belong in front of Neuer, though. Neuer is clearly better.
 

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neuer
lahm beckenbauer kohler brehme
schweini
matthaus breitner
seeler muller rummenigge
 

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Gerd Muller
K.H.Rummenigge
T.Muller
Breitner - Matthäus - Kroos
Brehme - Kohler - Beckenbauer - Lahm/Vogts
Neuer

-This team could be put in other formations like 4-3-3

Gerd Muller
Littbarski------ F.Walter----Rummenigge
Schweinsteiger--Matthäus
Brehme---- Kohler---Beckebauer-----Lahm
Neuer

In 4-2-3-1, I would put it like this.
 

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The trouble is to either get all of Müller, Walter, Seeler & Rummenigge into a coherent formation or drop one. Rummenigge started out at LW as a youngster, so shoehorning Seeler at RW is probably the least worst option. (I think @harms has written about how he drifted to RW in 1966 to accommodate Haller).
General_Elegancia said:
Gerd Muller
Littbarski------ F.Walter----Rummenigge
Schweinsteiger--Matthäus
Brehme---- Kohler---Beckebauer-----Lahm
Neuer

In 4-2-3-1, I would put it like this.
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All in all, I'd have this side with Rummenigge/Seeler as wide forwards.
 

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HTG said:
I loved Kahn growing up. He doesn't belong in front of Neuer, though. Neuer is clearly better.
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I actually forgot to consider the goalkeeping position at all after looking at the OP and feeling content with Kahn :lol:
Yeah, Neuer gets in for sure.
 

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harms said:
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And while Wittgenstein can certainly play (ba dum tss), I'm not sure that he's eligible with him being Austrian and all.
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Well...I suppose he was technically a "German" national at one point.

But then again, was Kant "German"?
 

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Kahn
Vogts - Beckenbauer - Kohler
Lahm - Matthaus - Schweinsteiger - Breitner - Brehme
Rummenigge - Muller​
 

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HTG said:
I loved Kahn growing up. He doesn't belong in front of Neuer, though. Neuer is clearly better.
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Yeah.

Kahn was never an obvious choice even back in the day, one could add.

(By which I mean that Maier was the obvious choice, given his achievements for club and country.)

ETA Kahn was much cooler than either Maier or Neuer, though.
 
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Should do this without any Bayern affiliated players, be much more interesting.

Howedes, Asamoah, Bergsmuller etc.
 

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tomaldinho1 said:
Should do this without any Bayern affiliated players, be much more interesting.

Howedes, Asamoah, Bergsmuller etc.
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I was just thinking that. How much would be left of the usual German all-time XIs if Bayern players were excluded?
 

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tomaldinho1 said:
Should do this without any Bayern affiliated players, be much more interesting.

Howedes, Asamoah, Bergsmuller etc.
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still a brilliant team mind you....

Illgner
Vogts Forster Schnellinger Bonhof
Sammer
Gundogan Overath
Walter
Seeler Heynckes​
 

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Šjor Bepo said:
still a brilliant team mind you....

Illgner
Vogts Forster Schnellinger Bonhof
Sammer
Gundogan Overath
Walter
Seeler Heynckes​
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I was going to plump for the legend of Torsten Frings in the CMs but forgot he played like 20 games for Bayern randomly
 

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For being the 2nd most successful nation, they do not really have a standout talent. Like someone who can dribble 3, 4 players and score on their own.
 

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tomaldinho1 said:
Should do this without any Bayern affiliated players, be much more interesting.

Howedes, Asamoah, Bergsmuller etc.
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Still scarily good:

Littbarski - Seeler - F. Walter
Schuster - Netzer
Sammer
Briegel - K-H. Förster - Schulz - Vogts
Croy​

Lehmann/Köpke/Illgner/ter Stegen
Özil, Gündogan, Heynckes, Kaltz, Schnellinger, Reus, Stielike, Overath...
 

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From the players I've seen (96 onwards):

Neuer
Kimmich Boateng Hummels Lahm
Schweinsteiger Kroos Ballack
Muller Klose Ozil

Can't really pick a LW. Ozil was obviously a great player and played mostly at CAM, but he did play the 2014 WC at LW (albeit he wasn't great there). Reus would be another choice but he's had so many injury problems and missed tournaments.

Podolski would be another given he was successful at LW but wasn't a great player overall. Would've loved to put Schneider there but then wouldn't get ahead of Muller and neither played LW.

People might say Matthaus as well but he was well past his peak in 96 and had a pretty bad 98 WC as well from what I remember.
 

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Cheimoon said:
I was just thinking that. How much would be left of the usual German all-time XIs if Bayern players were excluded?
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Croy
Sammer
K.H.Forster----------Schnellinger
Kaltz-----Scuster-------Szymaniak---------Netzer------Briegel
Kuzzora----Seeler

Subtitles would be a lot like Reus, Voller, Gundogun, Overath, Juup, Steileke, Szepan, Webber, Kopke, Ter Stegen.....a lot

It could be inserted in a lot of formations( be it back 3 or 4). As our fellas have already put it in back4.
 
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harms said:
Rummenigge - G. Müller - T. Müller
Kroos - Matthäus - Breitner
Brehme - Kohler - Beckenbauer - Lahm
Neuer
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I think I like this one today. It was tempting to include Netzer here but I couldn't leave Breitner (specifically the midfield version) out with Rummenigge already on the team. Kroos and Beckenbauer give this team a lot of control in midfield and I really like Müller Jr. in the supporting role.
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That’s a very good team… shame Sepp Maier can’t fit in. I get Neuers ability, it’s just that I don’t like him.

Talking of unlikeable players, I’d drop T Müller too… cant stand him. Rahn?
 

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BeforeKeanetherewasRobson said:
Talking of unlikeable players, I’d drop T Müller too… cant stand him. Rahn?
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Rahn can probably get in on merit but it's so hard to assess those pre-footage players (unless it's someone like Walter who was simply outstanding in the only full game of his that I've seen, I think he'd attempted like 10 backheel passes in it and I'm not even exaggerating).

Seeler had some experience of playing on the right (and often drifted there while playing as a striker), so it'll probably be him if not Thomas. The Kalle-Müller-Seeler attack does look a bit odd but it would work even though it wouldn't get 100% out of everyone.
 

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harms said:
Rahn can probably get in on merit but it's so hard to assess those pre-footage players (unless it's someone like Walter who was simply outstanding in the only full game of his that I've seen, I think he'd attempted like 10 backheel passes in it and I'm not even exaggerating).

Seeler had some experience of playing on the right (and often drifted there while playing as a striker), so it'll probably be him if not Thomas. The Kalle-Müller-Seeler attack does look a bit odd but it would work even though it wouldn't get 100% out of everyone.
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The Brazilian one of these would be challenging..
 

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hasanejaz88 said:
From the players I've seen (96 onwards):

Neuer
Kimmich Boateng Hummels Lahm
Schweinsteiger Kroos Ballack
Muller Klose Ozil

Can't really pick a LW. Ozil was obviously a great player and played mostly at CAM, but he did play the 2014 WC at LW (albeit he wasn't great there). Reus would be another choice but he's had so many injury problems and missed tournaments.

Podolski would be another given he was successful at LW but wasn't a great player overall. Would've loved to put Schneider there but then wouldn't get ahead of Muller and neither played LW.

People might say Matthaus as well but he was well past his peak in 96 and had a pretty bad 98 WC as well from what I remember.
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Poldolski is a good shout for LW. Was good for Germany.
 

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harms said:
Surely the way to go is to have Marx and Heidegger as your left and right wingers respectively?

And while Wittgenstein can certainly play (ba dum tss), I'm not sure that he's eligible with him being Austrian and all.

edit: wanted to reply to @Oranges038 about Beckenbauer having experience in a similar XI and only then realized that you've simply copy-pasted theirs! Whoosh.
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If we follow Heidegger, Wittgenstein will be eligible after Anschluss, but only for the Concentration Camp. He should not sit beside Popper on the bench, though. Marx shoud ideally play the creative six with Hegel as a base and orchestrate Adorno and maybe Marcuse. But what’ll Nietzsche say to that? With Schopenhauer, it’s already to many wills in one team. Like all the great German sides, mind.
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It's a good side.

Has some weaknesses, though.

I mean, Jaspers? Could be replaced with pretty much anyone if you ask me - Adorno, Horkheimer, even the dreaded Habermas if you want to go "modern".

Also, which Schlegel? Going with both brothers (on each flank) would have been something. But on his own (whoever it is)? Nah. Replace with someone like - say - Fichte, for me.

Beckenbauer is the one you can't possibly drop, of course (even if he will, always, be a bit of a surprise - but that's precisely what you want here).
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Don’t know about Becks - he’s maybe too much of a thinker for this team. But the others I like. Schlegels will be like we did with Fabio and Rafael - use them interchangeably to confuse the opposition.
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Thanks bro you just fecked up my thread. Respect! Respect!
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