Selling Rashford would be great, doubt it will happen though.
£90m please.
£90m please.
Marcus Rashford (Out) | Ornstein: United want to keep, will only consider substantial bids
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A senior player caught on camera saying why am I at the effn club. Hardly tries a leg most of the time. Never looks happy in a United jersey. Is in total prima Donna mode. His choice of when to party. You can go on and on. It’s probably the right thing for Marcus too. He could kick start his career. Go to a club where he is a star. Keeps PSG in the limelight and is far less a prima donna as the Mbappe show. Anything over £75 would have to be seriously considered imo.You genuinely don't see any valid reasons so many dislike him?
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When he scored 11 he assisted 9, and when he scored 10 he assisted 6. Those are productive seasons well above that of an average player, before even going into his two standout seasons. If he stays, he'll likely be the next player to join the PL's 100 club, in which there are currently 34 players many of whom took well over 10 full campaigns to hit that number. Again, that isn't the feat on an average footballer.I'm not arguing, just sharing an opinion. I'm struggling to see these many seasons of high class you speak of. 10 & 11 league goals certainly doesn't back that up and he's manged just two years above this so I'm not sure what you're on about tbh.
I just can't ever see him being consistently good enough to make United great again, not only in the final third but also tracking back. It's clear that you do though and that's fine, it's your opinion and you're entitled to it.
Now whether or not he will be part of a revolution at United I'm more than happy to debate and, as I've posted in this very thread, I don't think he'd be as difficult to replace as many others seem to.
But a big part of the club improving its fortunes will be to stop getting taken for a ride, and when our own fans seem to think a 26-year-old homegrown player on a long term deal should be shipped out for peanuts just because, it's a little worrying.
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Yep, sums it up for me.A senior player caught on camera saying why I at the effn club. Hardly tries a leg most of the time. Never looks happy in a United jersey. Is in total prima Donna mode. His choice of when to party. You can go on and on. It’s probably the right thing for Marcus too. He could kick start his career. Go to a club where he is a star. Keeps PSG in the limelight and is far less a prima donna as the Mbappe show. Anything over £75 wouks have to be seriously considered imo.
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Big decision to make. I'd lean towards selling if there's a strong offer (£80m?), but don't mind him staying if the club are convinced he's going to knuckle down.
Let me put it in the simplist terms, ignoring for a sec his valyation and instead taking the smallest value quoted on here...
Whether or not 60m is a good deal or a bad deal, if that opens up 300m of FFP allowance then that is immense.
Whether or not 60m is a good deal or a bad deal, if that opens up 300m of FFP allowance then that is immense.
What; we okay garnacho left and Olise right? And we finally have 2 strikers, one of whom who can play a little deeper like teddy sheringhamSo we replace our starting left winger/forward with A Striker and right winger well that make sense .
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Exactly, selling him and McTominay we could transform the team if it's like 120 Mil combined.Let me put it in the simplist terms, ignoring for a sec his valyation and instead taking the smallest value quoted on here...
Whether or not 60m is a good deal or a bad deal, if that opens up 300m of FFP allowance then that is immense.
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Can't have a underperforming player on 350k a week. Our wage structure is fecked and he is one of the highest earners not contributing. Time to go when we have value for some of our players and that includes McTominay and Maguire. We hold on to players for far too long and they leave for free.
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I never would have entertained the thought before. Now I’m starting to think a change for everyone might be for the best.
Obviously depends on us getting a top class replacement.
Obviously depends on us getting a top class replacement.
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I'd be looking to sell and replacing him with a high potential, talented teenager/player in their early 20's.
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1 more league goal, what an argument...you're just proving my point. Last year Kvara played for the best team in the league, got 25 goal involments in Serie A, and 31 in all competitions. Now Napoli are struggling and so is he.Who even with a bad drought still has more league goals than Rashford this season…
Rashford had the better season last year in a much stronger league, in a team that wasn't dominating like Napoli at all.
This season they almost have identical stats.
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Sorry but I can’t for the life of me fathom anyone paying close to a 100 mil for Rashford. We need a club as clueless as ours to put in an offer for that to happen.
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I think he's massively overrated but if Maguire cost 80m, I would certainly been looking for circa 100m for him.
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The endless parade of players all have one thing in common they aren't Rashford and the willingness to sell one for peanuts and buy the other for a premium price probably only to find out they aren't probably that dissimilar is hilarious to me1 more league goal, what an argument...you're just proving my point. Last year Kvara played for the best team in the league, got 25 goal involments in Serie A, and 31 in all competitions. Now Napoli are struggling and so is he.
Rashford had the better season last year in a much stronger league, in a team that wasn't dominating like Napoli at all.
This season they almost have identical stats.
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If something like 120-150 million came in, we'd be foolish to reject. We can get 2 equally good players for that money and still save on salary.
This is what we hope INEOS will fix but it's hard to negotation realistic players remuneration when they can point to players at the club on twice their package.The endless parade of players all have one thing in common they aren't Rashford and the willingness to sell one for peanuts and buy the other for a premium price probably only to find out they aren't probably that dissimilar is hilarious to me
Fixing recruitment at united involves fixing it holistically including salaries, agent fees, transfer fees both in and out.
As much as I'd prefer it for Varane and Casemiro to stay here another season i can see the thinking in getting rid if possible and reducing the number of players outside the desired wage structure (assume get Todibo/Andre or similar)
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Hope they put serious money on the table.
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What about Ronaldo and Sancho? Surely you can feel that things are changing here?but this club doesn't have the competitive and ruthless streak necessary to cast off weight like this
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I think Rashford needs a new challenge. So, if we get a good fee, it'll be good for both parties to move on.
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The lad has been at the club for years and has gone stale in my view. On form, he's brilliant. SJR and Brailsford will not entertain any passengers or cruisers. I would bundle in Antony in a £120m asking price for the pair. That would save £20m in salaries pa. We have the likes of Shea Lacey, who can't be far off the first team, coming through. Blood a few kids in the Summer tour and keep the tradition of academy players coming through rather than try and buy a team like City.
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You are being very disingenuous if you are trying to pretend the handling of those two points to the contrary. What happened has nothing to do with any supposed change in club culture. Ronaldo pushed to leave the club and made his position untenable with that interview. Sancho got into a dispute with the acting manager by effectively calling him a liar on social media, and then being sidelined by said manager, and not apologizing. And he is still employed by the club, for that matter. Both cases of blatant unprofessionalism.What about Ronaldo and Sancho? Surely you can feel that things are changing here?
Rashford's case is entirely different. He is the "Manc born and bred" player, the local poster child, and a very marketable asset. Which is something that has been proven over time to be considered of utmost importance by this club. And he has yet to bring the club into disrepute. So, the club will have to make a conscious decision between marketability and sentimentality, and competitive performance.
Of course, all of this was before INEOS's involvement. If both Sancho and Rashford get jettisoned in the summer, then yeah, I will agree with you things are changing in that regard.
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I’m just pondering, what price I would sell Rashford to PSG for..
On one side, he was electric last year. On the other side, he seems miserable and a bad role model for the younger lads.
so, what number would you say yes to?
Mine is £140m
On one side, he was electric last year. On the other side, he seems miserable and a bad role model for the younger lads.
so, what number would you say yes to?
Mine is £140m
FrankDrebin
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Bad role model ?
Come on now, ffs.
Come on now, ffs.
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Why are you saying this like it is matter of fact? I highly doubt that's what he said when he was subbed vs Newcastle, and unless you're a professional lip reader, you can't say for certain that he did.A senior player caught on camera saying why am I at the effn club. Hardly tries a leg most of the time. Never looks happy in a United jersey. Is in total prima Donna mode. His choice of when to party. You can go on and on. It’s probably the right thing for Marcus too. He could kick start his career. Go to a club where he is a star. Keeps PSG in the limelight and is far less a prima donna as the Mbappe show. Anything over £75 would have to be seriously considered imo.
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So the player is bigger than the club?We won’t be looking to sell him, and I think we would struggle to replace him more than many think.
For me, it depends on what he wants. If he wants to go and experience something else then I’d be looking at 120m at least and let him go. We’d need a top forward who can come in and out up big numbers and ready to do it against the big and small teams to come in, and there aren’t many sure things for that, and they will cost the same as we’d sell him for.
Rashford doesn't have big numbers ans he's rarely ready to do it !
Buying a talented player with a good attitude and selling one with a bad one for break even money is a good deal.
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Even a lip reader is guessing and the context is key also, he could have been talking about himself I'm sure we all thought what the feck am I doing at certain points, it's a leap to try and put context to it as well as what was actually saidWhy are you saying this like it is matter of fact? I highly doubt that's what he said when he was subbed vs Newcastle, and unless you're a professional lip reader, you can't say for certain that he did.
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Exactly. It's very transparent what people are doing when they strip that of it's context and declare it as matter of fact. There are plenty of other ways of saying you dislike Rashford without looking like a naive child.Even a lip reader is guessing and the context is key also, he could have been talking about himself I'm sure we all thought what the feck am I doing at certain points, it's a leap to try and put context to it as well as what was actually said
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Everybody has their price. I doubt PSG will give United the price required to take him away.
Lacey isn’t remotely close to being ready to feature in the first team.The lad has been at the club for years and has gone stale in my view. On form, he's brilliant. SJR and Brailsford will not entertain any passengers or cruisers. I would bundle in Antony in a £120m asking price for the pair. That would save £20m in salaries pa. We have the likes of Shea Lacey, who can't be far off the first team, coming through. Blood a few kids in the Summer tour and keep the tradition of academy players coming through rather than try and buy a team like City.
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North of £100m and I’d be willingxI’m just pondering, what price I would sell Rashford to PSG for..
On one side, he was electric last year. On the other side, he seems miserable and a bad role model for the younger lads.
so, what number would you say yes to?
Mine is £140m
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Stats aside, I think he's probably one of, if not the best dribbler in world football right now. Plus him being double teamed would mean more space for our other attackers.He should avoid the Premier League.
Even if he played for the best team in the league, he'd be a 15 G/A per season type of winger. Lack of space after receiving the ball as well as getting double of triple teamed means he'd struggle to adapt.
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I don't get the marketing thing. We sold Beckham who was a truly global superstar. Rashford is nowhere close to that status.
Anyway, we should have sold last summer instead of renewing. If we have this summer a chance to sell even better. 18 good months the last 4 years is laughable for the most well paid player in the team.
He has some good traits but he is inability to understand how to press and his lack of improvement in decision making, makes him just a decent top 8 Pl player.
If we want to aim higher, he should be sold.
Anyway, we should have sold last summer instead of renewing. If we have this summer a chance to sell even better. 18 good months the last 4 years is laughable for the most well paid player in the team.
He has some good traits but he is inability to understand how to press and his lack of improvement in decision making, makes him just a decent top 8 Pl player.
If we want to aim higher, he should be sold.
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That's actually a good point. I worry that the club would be too protective because he's one of our academy successes and he's the star player but we have history, like with with Beckham who was a far far bigger icon and sold. Becks must have been about 27/28 too when he left.I don't get the marketing thing. We should Beckham who was a truly global superstar. Rashford is nowhere close to that status.
There's about a minimum of 15 games left this season so we'll probably assess then but from both a business and football point of view surely it must be worth considering.
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Do people actually think we’d get anything like 80-100m for him? Maybe I’m way off but that seems actually bonkers.
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When you look at the transfer fees being shelled out for unproven players in weak leagues like Mudryk and Antony, I think we could easily get 80-100m for a 26 year old who has had multiple 20+ goal seasons and has several years left on his contract.Do people actually think we’d get anything like 80-100m for him? Maybe I’m way off but that seems actually bonkers.
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I am pretty sure he isn’t happy in the club anymore. So selling him won’t be the worst idea if the opportunity comes. He needs new challenges and we need a hungry new player, both will benefit from a sell.
But we really need to stop spend huge fees on players like Antony
But we really need to stop spend huge fees on players like Antony
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Its bizarre. I watched Doku today, who everyone has been raving about, and he’s not even close to Rashford’s level. People genuinely seem to want to sell the best left winger in the league with no seeming plan as to who might possibly replace him.He’s shown it at this level more often than whatever we can probably get on the market is more the point. Even in this poor season, I’d still back him to finish with 10+ PL goals. I think people underestimate how hard it will be to find even that from a LW on the market. And that’s without considering that we know he can hit much more next season if he’s on it. We can count on him in the biggest of games, home and away. What we don’t need is some teenager with a fee tricks to come and replace Rashford, they will probably fail and we’d become a far less faired attack.
The player I’ve seen most “Rashford out” “fans” on here suggest is Kvaratskhelia. I checked his stats earlier and he has the same GA this season as Rashford, who is apparently so out of form that he needs to be sold, in the equivalent of 4 and a half more matches. Perhaps that’s because Napoli have been poor this season and he isn’t getting the service (Rashford, of course, is getting world class supply from Antony and Højlund) but then I look at last season and he still had 10 less GA than Rashford, in the title winning team in Italy.
Generally, this forum needs a severe reality check on how many left wingers are actually better than Rashford. If most people had their way, we’d have two Antony’s chugging up and down the wing, earning consistent praise for tracking back usually after they themselves had given the ball away, whilst providing the square root of 0 in terms of actually putting the ball in the net.
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If we were buying him, do you think we’d be quoted 80m? They’d want 100 plus, easy.Do people actually think we’d get anything like 80-100m for him? Maybe I’m way off but that seems actually bonkers.
Garnacho to the left, somebody like Andringa/Olise/Neto on the right, depends on what type of player we are after - we'd get shagged for money as usual though. It always sets the players up to fail.
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Did you miss out a zero here? Martinelli was 20GA behind Rashford last year. He’s also behind him this season, playing for one of the most attacking teams in the league, who have 25 more league goals than we do (nearly double).I'd like to see Rashford stay at the club and get back in form. He's had 2 really bad seasons, but we absolutely know there's a quality player in there and I like that he's one of our own.
However, if you take last season as Rashford's top level, then a 22-year-old Martinelli was only two behind him in terms of goal contributions. He also pressed more, passed more, and dribbled more effectively. Now you would think we could find somebody as good as Martinelli without chucking £120m at Milan. We may not even need to look outside our own squad.