Considering that any consultancy option was put in place during negotiations by Woodward and Judge to help Murtough as sporting director, I don't think Ten Hag got a say.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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Always hard to tell fact from fiction where the media are concerned, but pretty much every single mainstream printed media stated that Ten Hag was the one who didn't want Rangnick involved with the club anymore and, indeed, refused to take advice (or even a meeting) with Rangnick. So yes, if the United hierarchy are now taking advice from Rangnick, I'd say that really is the final nail in the coffin for ETH.Considering that any consultancy option was put in place during negotiations by Woodward and Judge to help Murtough as sporting director, I don't think Ten Hag got a say.
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It's not a stretch considering Woodward (therefore the Glazers) believed in renewing contracts of sellable players to retain value.We don't actually know this though, it's just assumed because our sales weren't great. If there's a shred of evidence to back this up, I would genuinely like to see it.
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That doesn’t really have any correlation to what’s being discussed and isn’t unique to United.It's not a stretch considering Woodward (therefore the Glazers) believed in renewing contracts of sellable players to retain value.
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Reportedly this is the case and its been reported a few timesWe don't actually know this though, it's just assumed because our sales weren't great. If there's a shred of evidence to back this up, I would genuinely like to see it.
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Which reports?Reportedly this is the case and its been reported a few times
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Was not ETH and he wouldn’t have had a say. Rangnick didn’t have a good relationship with Rashford and the club wanted not only to keep him but tie him down long term. Its more likely it was a club decision to keep supposedly important players onside. (obviously my opinion) Rangnick was also unpopular with the fans.Always hard to tell fact from fiction where the media are concerned, but pretty much every single mainstream printed media stated that Ten Hag was the one who didn't want Rangnick involved with the club anymore and, indeed, refused to take advice (or even a meeting) with Rangnick. So yes, if the United hierarchy are now taking advice from Rangnick, I'd say that really is the final nail in the coffin for ETH.
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Going a year or and more back now but you can try googling it.Which reports?
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Where is your evidence for this (because there was plenty of accusations in the press that it was all ETH)?Was not ETH and he wouldn’t have had a say.
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I have before and found nothing. Not trying to defend the incompetence of the Glazer’s but this seems to be something the fan base lapped up as a fact when there’s no credible source saying it.Going a year or and more back now but you can try googling it.
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Nope I read it more than onceI have before and found nothing. Not trying to defend the incompetence of the Glazer’s but this seems to be something the fan base lapped up as a fact when there’s no credible source saying it.
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There are plenty of accusations in the press about many things. Its my opinionWhere is your evidence for this (because there was plenty of accusations in the press that it was all ETH)?
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Just not who I would consider remotely reliable, if he has broken something that came true then I will give it more credenceWhat’s wrong with the source?
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I completely agree with this opinion. Rangnick staying on at consultancy was a Murtough level decision to make because it was Murtough that would have been using his services as a consultant. He wasn't going to be an assistant to Ten Hag.There are plenty of accusations in the press about many things. Its my opinion
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Ok, so I revert to my previous post. Which reports?Nope I read it more than once
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It quite obvious they have made up their mind if to keep Ten Hag or not. i think he is as good as gone
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I'm sure in one of the interviews from last week, Ratcliffe briefly stated that they were going to speak/put something out there this week. Think it had to do with their plans surrounding the stadium. Will be interesting.
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They haven’t backed him or given him their full support which is telling.It quite obvious they have made up their mind if to keep Ten Hag or not. i think he is as good as gone
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Share price is gradually falling down to the levels it was before the takeover news.
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Why would they do either? Perfect scenario for them is what’s happening now - they get a chance to assess the actual club/structure and have a manager in place who they probably view as expendable if he doesn’t get us into the CL.They haven’t backed him or given him their full support which is telling.
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Huh? He had a two hour phone call with Rangnick to discuss his findings and opinions during his tenure. Erik was in Amsterdam and Rangnick was back in Germany hence the meeting on call rather than in person. If you type "phone call with Rangnick ten Hag" on Google, the first thing that pops up is:Always hard to tell fact from fiction where the media are concerned, but pretty much every single mainstream printed media stated that Ten Hag was the one who didn't want Rangnick involved with the club anymore and, indeed, refused to take advice (or even a meeting) with Rangnick. So yes, if the United hierarchy are now taking advice from Rangnick, I'd say that really is the final nail in the coffin for ETH.
"But Telegraph Sport understands that the pair spoke for around two hours on the phone after Rangnick had returned to Germany and Ten Hag to Amsterdam. Rangnick has claimed that United's squad require the equivalent of open heart surgery and had been keen to present his findings to Ten Hag."
Brailsford or anyone meeting with Rangnick has absolutely nothing to do with Eriks position as manager, nor does it give a hint, a whisper, an indication. Simply and absolutely nothing.
Mix of what we can't do within FFP rules probably too - Who in the winter window would you get to back EtH?They haven’t backed him or given him their full support which is telling.
I can't think of any players that are available that would make any significant difference to be honest.
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Always two sides to every story. The press consensus was that the phone call was a snub from Ten Hag (as Rangnick had wanted to meet with ETH who refused).Huh? He had a two hour phone call with Rangnick to discuss his findings and opinions during his tenure. Erik was in Amsterdam and Rangnick was back in Germany hence the meeting on call rather than in person. If you type "phone call with Rangnick ten Hag" on Google, the first thing that pops up is:
"But Telegraph Sport understands that the pair spoke for around two hours on the phone after Rangnick had returned to Germany and Ten Hag to Amsterdam. Rangnick has claimed that United's squad require the equivalent of open heart surgery and had been keen to present his findings to Ten Hag."
Brailsford or anyone meeting with Rangnick has absolutely nothing to do with Eriks position as manager, nor does it give a hint, a whisper, an indication. Simply and absolutely nothing.
https://www.espn.co.uk/football/story/_/id/37629549/ten-hag-role-rangnick-exit
Everyone can make up their own mind.
I think Ratcliffe’s first mistake was his wishywashy answer on whether ten Hag has a future or not. Maybe too honest. The manager needs to have absolute authority amongst the squad and that authority comes from above him. Even if it’s not true and the plan is to replace him at the end of the season regardless of how well he does, you come out strongly backing him and make it clear to the players that it’s their future they are playing for, not his. That gives you the best chance of them keeping their levels up and getting top 4 plus cup runs.It quite obvious they have made up their mind if to keep Ten Hag or not. i think he is as good as gone
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They’re not going to get a true reflection of the state of management and playing staff given the inherent uncertainty the sale has caused.Why would they do either? Perfect scenario for them is what’s happening now - they get a chance to assess the actual club/structure and have a manager in place who they probably view as expendable if he doesn’t get us into the CL.
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Top 4 and an FA Cup win, playing like we have all season, with the signings he's encouraged, doesn't count as a good season anymore. It would be papering over the massive massive cracks.
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Let's be honest. Our season could realistically be over by Sunday.
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Yes but if the option is either do as they have - non committal whilst doing a deep dive into the club and drawing up their plan - or try and hire someone to come it o what they already think is a mess. The first option is definitely better.They’re not going to get a true reflection of the state of management and playing staff given the inherent uncertainty the sale has caused.
The reality is there are a tonne of coaches who could probably do ok for us, there aren’t really that many coaches (I’d argue there aren’t any at all) who can consistently challenge if there’s dross recruitment. I don’t think Ineos have finalised what they want to see on the pitch though so that also makes it hard to find a manager.
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A forest defeat and a derby demolition will be the end of him
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We'll be able to put 'winning the FA cup' to bed tomorrow! And based on the previous 7 months performance, we are not winning all our remaining games so in my eyes top 5 is done as well. Amy other reasons to keep ETH?
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Potentially, yeah.A forest defeat and a derby demolition will be the end of him
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Wow our last away game there was the 6-3 defeat back in 2022. Completely forget about that day until now.Potentially, yeah.
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I think the Derby is a free hit for him, if he survives Forrest. The acid test have to be the games like Fulham were we are expected to win. Everton at OT will be the game in we’re his fate will be sealed.
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I dont think INEOS are operating like that, I think they will already know and it looks like they will remove him from post.I think the Derby is a free hit for him, if he survives Forrest. The acid test have to be the games like Fulham were we are expected to win. Everton at OT will be the game in we’re his fate will be sealed.
The clearest indication will be if talks of a new contract happen, the public statements from INEOS do not sound good but were not used to how these guys operate yet. That could be as committal they get.
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I think he’ll be gone if we lose to ForestA forest defeat and a derby demolition will be the end of him
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Heard it before.I think he’ll be gone if we lose to Forest
The CL position will be what makes or breaks him more than an FA Cup run I reckon.
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Getting rid of Rashford would be my priority, personally. The advice I'd give would be, if Rashford can bail on ETH, who is to say he won't bail on the manager INEOS chooses.Yeah the season is a write off if ten Hag isn’t going to be backed. Rashford has already checked out because he wants a manager that will indulge him.
I don't. We get hammered again like the 7-0 against Liverpool and it will destroy our season and be the end of him.I think the Derby is a free hit for him, if he survives Forrest. The acid test have to be the games like Fulham were we are expected to win. Everton at OT will be the game in we’re his fate will be sealed.