On the contrary, Palestinians would accept a two state solution as long as they have full control of their borders and land, like any normal country have. It's Israel that don't want to concede thisThe thread itself made me think of that quote I shared. I think it perfectly describes the situation. After sharing the quote and my opinion I was questioned, attacked and ridiculed. I was merely responding.
I have one question for you: Why do you think a two state solution will work when both sides have publicly stated they're not interested? Isn't forcing a two state solution from the outside exactly what got the world into this mess?
The Palestinian authority's position is to call for a Palestinian state composing of the West Bank, Gaza and East Jerusalem as its capital. In other words the territories considered occupied and Palestinian by the United Nations and most of the international community. The Israeli government however has rejected this, with Netanyahu historically boasting about how he'd sabotaged any notion of a Palestinian state. The only time the Israelis were willing to entertain the idea was by adding a heap of caveats and stipulations, which would deny Palestinians genuine autonomy, freedom of movement or any real military control. Essentially an legalised occupation.The thread itself made me think of that quote I shared. I think it perfectly describes the situation. After sharing the quote and my opinion I was questioned, attacked and ridiculed. I was merely responding.
I have one question for you: Why do you think a two state solution will work when both sides have publicly stated they're not interested? Isn't forcing a two state solution from the outside exactly what got the world into this mess?
@Roane here's another one to prove your earlier pointHamas rejected a ceasefire. Remember that this week while you march for the eradication of the only Jewish state
Not even sure what meaning the word "ceasefire" has anymore in this context, given the involvement of an invading genocidal terrorist army. It's not two warring parties.Tweet
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Israeli forces and Hamas are exactly the same. Both are murderous terrorists, that revel and celebrate the suffering of innocent.as are the Hamas sympathisers
Who the fek are you?Hamas rejected a ceasefire. Remember that this week while you march for the eradication of the only Jewish state
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This is a love story for the agesTweet
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The US needs to be scrunched up, chucked in the bin, and started again.Tweet
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Yeah it's mental and when curtain is pulled back, the lies and the influence are shown, it does nothing but embolden antisemitismTweet
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Gigantic journalistic scandal by the NYT.
Disgusting.Tweet
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At what point does this whole charade collapse?Tweet
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When we accept China as the next real world power and align with it's CBDC (currency). They're no saints either, but they are are now a damn sight lesser of an evil than the States.At what point does this whole charade collapse?
The US is desperately trying to save face for their little colonial project in the Middle East, while the rest of the world can recognize that a genocide is on-going. I really wonder what these American UN officials, State Department officials, and Biden spokespeople really think. Are they just people without a conscience furthering their career, or do they actually believe in what they are saying and doing?
Not sure if serious.When we accept China as the next real world power and align with it's CBDC (currency). They're no saints either, but they are are now a damn sight lesser of an evil than the States.
At this point put everything on the table. For some ingrained in their background it will be harder to stomach. Push through it.Not sure if serious.
You manage to have terrible takes in every part of the forum, it's quite amazingWhen we accept China as the next real world power and align with it's CBDC (currency). They're no saints either, but they are are now a damn sight lesser of an evil than the States.
Turning from a super power that supports genocide to one that actively commits genocide doesn't seem like the solution to me.At this point put everything on the table. For some ingrained in their background it will be harder to stomach. Push through it.
The consequences of the innocent starting statement, "I support Liverpool".You manage to have terrible takes in every part of the forum, it's quite amazing
It's just geopolitics, all other concerns work backwards from US interests. I doubt they actually support Israeli actions, they just don't care about the human cost of publicly supporting it.At what point does this whole charade collapse?
The US is desperately trying to save face for their little colonial project in the Middle East, while the rest of the world can recognize that a genocide is on-going. I really wonder what these American UN officials, State Department officials, and Biden spokespeople really think. Are they just people without a conscience furthering their career, or do they actually believe in what they are saying and doing?
Just cold hard politics is my guess. Israel is a strategic ally so they'll support Israel. As for domestic elections, maybe the Biden administration calculates that Arab-American votes aren't impactful enough.At what point does this whole charade collapse?
The US is desperately trying to save face for their little colonial project in the Middle East, while the rest of the world can recognize that a genocide is on-going. I really wonder what these American UN officials, State Department officials, and Biden spokespeople really think. Are they just people without a conscience furthering their career, or do they actually believe in what they are saying and doing?
Which is doing which one, again? Palestine isn't a standalone first time incident. There is no other super power other than Russia and China in the game.Turning from a super power that supports genocide to one that actively commits genocide doesn't seem like the solution to me.
Just saw the image it's awful, such disregard for human life. And it looked like a kid to me.Even the blurred image of the man who was run over is horrifying, and that's really an understatement to describe this evil.
You can heavily criticise what the United States (and Israel of course) is doing, but acting like China is somehow morally superior is an insult to the Millions of people who suffer from the Party regime inside and outside of China.When we accept China as the next real world power and align with it's CBDC (currency). They're no saints either, but they are are now a damn sight lesser of an evil than the States.
The struggle was amazing, you can see what he wants to say but he can't actually say it.Tweet
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Asked all the right questions but couldn't give any straight answers. Even US politicians know Israeli actions are not defendable yet here we are. It's bizzare.
I agree with you. But, there is something that you need to understand. People and specifically middle eastern, has been victims of wars perpetrated by exclusively the west. If you run a poll on what they would prefer to be aligned with at the moment (the west or China), I would be shocked if western camp would get more than 25% of the poll. I mean it is a series of massacres, and colonial wars, resources theft for the past 110 years, France killing more than 1 million Algerians, Italians in Libya, atrocities perpetrated by the British from 1916 in the region until very recently raging an unlawful invasion to Iraq causing the death and suffering of millions (plus 5 m refuges) that if we exclude destroying a stable country in Libya and exchanging the government with a bunch of Islamic fanatics.You can heavily criticise what the United States (and Israel of course) is doing, but acting like China is somehow morally superior is an insult to the Millions of people who suffer from the Party regime inside and outside of China.
This is exactly it - it's the same in the subcontinent too (Afghanistan, & Pakistan particularly). It's obvious the US posters (or Europeans posters) would find it hard to believe given its a football forum for a UK based team, but the reality is that the world doesn't end on the border of Eastern Europe. China, for all of its ills, has invested heavily in Africa and has been on the charm offensive in the Middle East. It's not a hard decision to see who these states would prefer getting into bed with.I agree with you. But, there is something that you need to understand. People and specifically middle eastern, has been victims of wars perpetrated by exclusively the west. If you run a poll on what they would prefer to be aligned with at the moment (the west or China), I would be shocked if western camp would get more than 25% of the poll. I mean it is a series of massacres, and colonial wars, resources theft for the past 110 years, France killing more than 1 million Algerians, Italians in Libya, atrocities perpetrated by the British from 1916 in the region until very recently raging an unlawful invasion to Iraq causing the death and suffering of millions (plus 5 m refuges) that if we exclude destroying a stable country in Libya and exchanging the government with a bunch of Islamic fanatics.
The world does not evolve around the west and the world is not only western Europe and the USA. I do not say that easterners should turn their heads and embrace China, but I say you should understand why the public in the east/south would think that way, and instead of pushing them into the arms of China and causing more polarising to the world.
The guy that said it lives in London.I agree with you. But, there is something that you need to understand. People and specifically middle eastern, has been victims of wars perpetrated by exclusively the west. If you run a poll on what they would prefer to be aligned with at the moment (the west or China), I would be shocked if western camp would get more than 25% of the poll. I mean it is a series of massacres, and colonial wars, resources theft for the past 110 years, France killing more than 1 million Algerians, Italians in Libya, atrocities perpetrated by the British from 1916 in the region until very recently raging an unlawful invasion to Iraq causing the death and suffering of millions (plus 5 m refuges) that if we exclude destroying a stable country in Libya and exchanging the government with a bunch of Islamic fanatics.
The world does not evolve around the west and the world is not only western Europe and the USA. I do not say that easterners should turn their heads and embrace China, but I say you should understand why the public in the east/south would think that way, and instead of pushing them into the arms of China and causing more polarising to the world, you should come into more common grounds with them.
As long as the US is there to keep throwing vetos left and right Israeli forces can do whatever they want. Israel are just as brutal if not even worse than the Russians but hey, that's all OK because they are allies. Hypocritical bullshit, all of it. I've tried to hold my tongue a long time but it's just heartbreaking what is going on.Absolute fecking insanity. I haven’t seen this kind of violence ever. Israel has gone mad.
The fact they could commit whatever war crimes they want and get away with it makes me sick. What a cruel world man.
Would your political views about voting Trump or Biden change if you moved abroad from the united states?The guy that said it lives in London.
I understand what you're saying, I'm just saying he responded to a guy who I think is Scandinavian, as someone living in London, and said that 'We' need to move towards China. If he wasn't talking about Western Europe, then it wasn't very clear.Would your political views about voting Trump or Biden change if you moved abroad from the united states?
Another thing. I am not embracing his point of view. I am talking on the background of the geopolitical conflict and why it would take more than few simple lines from west camp to push them away from the China camp.