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then what's the solution? doing nothing and go as it is?
Results are that since 2015 Premier League spent +10b on transfers while the other biggest leagues can't even half that.
ESL might not be the solution but better than doing nothing and I don't see proposals beside "increase number of games to be played in CL/EL/Conference" when most of national leagues already have 20 teams and with internationals games we're close to 70games/year.

I'm in for this ESL maybe not this format but something has to be done
Did you ever consider that since the start of the PL other leagues have considered it a golden goose? United want player X from Holland, get quoted 50m, a team from Germany buys him for less than 20m. There’s a reason why the stats show the PL outspending other countries, because they get quoted nonsense prices in the first place.

secondly it hasn’t stopped Madrid or Bayern hoovering up the best players with different tactics
 

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"Certain clubs" really means every big club in Italy, Spain and France not named Real Madrid or PSG(and for the former it's a slow slide into irrelevancy against the rise of the SuperPremier League)...which is why my belief is those three FAs should come together for a SL between them. Nearly every club other than those 2 is in dire financial straits...

Feel like the superleague is kind of a necessity at this point. Just have to make one that isn't unacceptable in every way
To be honest I’ve no sympathy for Madrid or Barca at all. They’ve spent decades riding off the backs of other clubs taking their best players.
 

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How would that work? Ads during the game? Right now you get ads at halftime, when no action is taking place - I don't think anyone particularly cares about halftime being ad-free.
When some American channels want to show an advert the game image gets squashed into the top right 2/3 of the screen. The rest of the screen gives way to a silent advert. Maybe something like this?
 

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To be honest I’ve no sympathy for Madrid or Barca at all. They’ve spent decades riding off the backs of other clubs taking their best players.
Yeah but the difference is for Madrid the superleague is about not losing relevance against the PL. For pretty much every one else from those countries, it would be about survival...
 

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Nevermind the debate on the SL, I find the Brexit backing UK government ignoring the ECJ in order to keep english clubs from leaving a european competition (while european clubs are able to do so) absolutely hilarious.
He's not part of the government.
 

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It's really not.

You're not some small lower league club fighting for your life.

It's about still being able to win the CL, plain and simple.
....ok, which club are you referring to there?
 

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With Ceferin wanting to extend his UEFA reign with a third period, completely against his initial ideas about UEFA, i wonder if people will think differently in terms of clubs challenging both UEFA and FIFA with the so called European Super League.

As long as a Super League is built up as a traditional tournament and it doesn’t interfere with leagues in general, why are people under the belief that sticking with UEFA and FIFA is the way forward?

UEFA and FIFA are working hard to introduce as many matches as possible in order to generate more revenue, FIFA with backing from UEFA are expanding their club world cup, we get more and more national team matches. The traditional Champions League format is pretty much dead with the changes that are being implemented (partially in order to please the big clubs).
I don’t care about challenging FIFA and UEFA. They are by no means paragons of anything good, but I trust UEFA far more than I trust Perez, Bartomeu, The Juventus people, the glazers etc.
 

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I don’t care about challenging FIFA and UEFA. They are by no means paragons of anything good, but I trust UEFA far more than I trust Perez, Bartomeu, The Juventus people, the glazers etc.
Pretty much this. For all of FIFA/UEFA shortcomings and shadiness, the alternative is a very evident scam by a handful of club owners. Unless you're a fan from one of these clubs, to support it is pretty much cutting your nose to spite your face.
 

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Trusting UEFA is the same as trusting Middle East country/dictatorships shady interests.

No wonder British celebrate like crazy when takeovers like the one from Newcastle happened. They get angry over footballers choosing to go to Saudi League but stay quiet when attending a World Cup where thousands of workers died, and homosexuals are treated with life imprisonment/death penalty. As long as they put in the money who cares, right?
 

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The Football Governance Bill going to make it impossible for English clubs to ever join it I think.

Super league was always going to be legal but it looks dead still.
 

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It’s inevitable. Money is more important than fans to these people. Just about how long we can hold it off
 

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No surprises here. It'll go ahead eventually
 

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The Football Governance Bill going to make it impossible for English clubs to ever join it I think.

Super league was always going to be legal but it looks dead still.
Nah, it's all talk. Fifa would suspend our national team and clubs from international competition, and would love doing it too. There's no chance parliament will pass anything that would cause that.

Discipline of national associations[edit]
FIFA frequently takes active roles in the running of the sport and developing the game around the world. One of its sanctions is to suspend teams and associated members from international competition when a government interferes in the running of FIFA's associate member organizations or if the associate is not functioning correctly.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA
 

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Nah, it's all talk. Fifa would suspend our national team and clubs from international competition, and would love doing it too. There's no chance parliament will pass anything that would cause that.

Discipline of national associations[edit]
FIFA frequently takes active roles in the running of the sport and developing the game around the world. One of its sanctions is to suspend teams and associated members from international competition when a government interferes in the running of FIFA's associate member organizations or if the associate is not functioning correctly.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA
Nah its coming already and FIFAs remit doesn't include supra national competitions like the super league, only that the government don't interfere with the FA.

https://www.politicshome.com/news/a...or-expected-2024-european-super-league-ruling
 

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Nah its coming already and FIFAs remit doesn't include supra national competitions like the super league, only that the government don't interfere with the FA.

https://www.politicshome.com/news/a...or-expected-2024-european-super-league-ruling
In many ways Fifa and UK fans are agreed, neither wants a super league, for their own reasons. But if there is legislation that conflicts with Fifa then Fifa will defend it's control. Fifa has suspended national teams in the past, the UK government needs to be careful what it includes in the bill.
 
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I don’t hate the idea of breaking away from uefa/fifa and their corrupt stranglehold on the global game, but this proposal was a self serving power grab by the European elite and would have been anything but super.
 

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In many ways Fifa and UK fans are agreed, neither wants a super league, for their own reasons. But if there is legislation that conflicts with Fifa then Fifa will defend it's control. Fifa has suspended national teams in the past, the UK government needs to be careful what it includes in the bill.
Pretty sure FIFA were involved with the original Super League proposal.
 

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They’re not
They are not or were not?

It's been pretty much confirmed Infantino and FIFA were in talks with the founders of the SL to endorse the league.

In the original Super League contract they referred to an organisation called 'W01'.
 

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They are not or were not?

It's been pretty much confirmed Infantino and FIFA were in talks with the founders of the SL to endorse the league.

In the original Super League contract they referred to an organisation called 'W01'.
They are?

I didn’t see anything about Fifa when looking at it the first time round, the governing body was A22.
 

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They are?

I didn’t see anything about Fifa when looking at it the first time round, the governing body was A22.
Wasn't A22 the company the clubs set up to oversee the league?

Back when the Super League was first announced lots of people speculated that they wouldn't have announced without at least agreement from a governing body that would legitimise the competition.

Otherwise it would have been a hard sell for current and potential new players if playing in the SL meant you might be banned from international football.

Infantino has been accused more than once of being involved. FIFA have been looking to expand the Club World Cup and wrestle control of club football from UEFA.

https://www.espn.co.uk/football/sto...erminding-european-super-league-la-liga-chief
 

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I find the hypocrisy a tad amusing. Football is fecked and it needs a hard reset. I’m hardly a fan of the ESL concept, but the current direction of UEFA, FIFA and the Premier League has made me lose most of my interest in football anyway. They are rather large parts of the problem

UEFA and FIFA. The latter, after years of trying, has finally managed to put together a revamped club world cup which will mean more matches, more revenue for FIFA. Both of them try to come up with more national team matches, meaningless tournaments, to increase revenues for their own benefits. FIFA just fecked most top leagues in the world by moving the world cup from summer to winter. FIFA will continue to push for a larger club world cup, as a future rival to the CL.

Meanwhile, in our glorious premier league, we have allowed the introduction of state funded clubs, oligarch ownership, to completely feck over the competition, to the point where even the UK government got involved to increase the chances of the Saudi ownership of Newcastle being approved because of fears it would have a negative impact on the UK’s relations with SA. We already know there’s political concerns, on the highest level, that the charges against Manchester City can have a negative effect on UK’s relations…All for the greater good of smaller clubs, and matchgoing fans obviously, integrity of the league and all that. As for the charges against Manchester City, the Premier League is a product and the overall value of the product is all that matters, the outcome is already written and there isn’t going to be any harsh punishments.
Wealthy people owning football clubs is nothing new, indeed your "friends" down the East LancsRoad were literally founded when a landowner tried to increase the rent on the ground he owned, Royal Arsenal were almost bankrupt and using various grounds in South London before Henry Norris invested heavily in them and moved them to North London, Sunderland were known at a timeas the "bank of England" club, and of course more recently Jack Walker invested heavily in Blackburn Rovers.
What has changed is since 1992 and the breakaway premier league, the English game has gone global, with United, Liverpool and Arsenal certainly actively marketing their "brand" overseas.
The increased global appeal, then meant that Instead of Sir John Moore's, John Henry Davies or a Jack Walker type, the money involved brought in the Roman Abramovich, Sheikh Mansour, Gillette and Hicks or the Malcolm Glazers, some believing they can personally profit from the "brand" and others wanting to Increase awareness of themselves or their country.

What is being overlooked, and understandably so people are concerned primarily about their own club, is that FIFA are obligated to look after the game in not only the BIG countries, but also in Laos, Nicaragua etc and UEFA in San Marino and Montenegro or Northern Ireland as well as Spain, England, Germany etc
 
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Wealthy people owning football clubs is nothing new, indeed your "friends" down the East LancsRoad were literally founded when a landowner tried to increase the rent on the ground he owned, Royal Arsenal were almost bankrupt and using various grounds in South London before Henry Norris invested heavily in them and moved them to North London, Sunderland were known at a timeas the "bank of England" club, and of course more recently Jack Walker invested heavily in Blackburn Rovers.
What has changed is since 1992 and the breakaway premier league, the English game has gone global, with United, Liverpool and Arsenal certainly actively marketing their "brand" overseas.
The increased global appeal, then meant that Instead of Sir John Moore's, John Henry Davies or a Jack Walker type, the money involved brought in the Roman Abramovich, Sheikh Mansour, Gillette and Hicks or the Malcolm Glazers, some believing they can personally profit from the "brand" and others wanting to Increase awareness of themselves or their country.

What is being overlooked, and understandably so people are concerned primarily about their own club, is that FIFA are obligated to look after the game in not only the BIG countries, but also in Laos, Nicaragua etc and UEFA in San Marino and Montenegro or Northern Ireland as well as Spain, England, Germany etc
I doubt you'll find anyone who'll claim that wealthy people owning football clubs is a new thing, or that Walker didn't finance Blackburns league trophy. Or that the world of football wasn't somewhat different a 100 years ago in relation to how club financing worked.

I mean, who are we as Manchester United supporters to be annoyed about the current situation in relation to Manchester City, or Chelsea under Abramovich, when John Davies helped bail us out 120 years ago with a £500 investment. It's essentially the same.

But no, there's obviously the extent of it. I you feel the history of rich club owners in England is comparable to the current gulf sized difference in funding, with multi club setups, and the effect it has on the competitions then by all means. I certainly don't.

Nor have i seen anyone suggest that FIFA aren't obligated to look after the game in their membership countries, nor do i see anyone complaining about it. The complaints towards FIFA and UEFA are related to the gross corruption, so i'm not entirely sure what you're on about