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Brighton are currently experiencing the worst injury crisis in history of European football.
Worst injury in European football :lol:
Funny how they are still able to field players in their actual positions despite this
 

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Worst injury in European football :lol:
Funny how they are still able to field players in their actual positions despite this
They aren’t. They are pulling people from the streets to play for them. Yesterday they fielded Mitoma’s dentist and March’s uncle.

Actually, they had a center half at left back yesterday. Reminds me of a certain other team who has just been hit by the worst injury crisis in all sports ever.
 
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Obviously they're doing very well for a small club, but they are 9th in the PL, on track to finish with fewer points than last season. Well behind a team as bad as we are. And just got smashed by Roma in the EL. Injuries and the sale of key players clearly matter, but some of the praise is well overdone.
 

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Brighton’s squad is paper thin though. They lose their two best central midfielders in the summer and their two best wingers to injury. For a club their size that’s a huge setback.
Yup, and t's not just that. It's easy to forget their real status in the game due to the English media constantly bigging them up in the wider context of a narrative that paints the current PL as the best thing to have happened to football. Along with the modern need for instant gratification, it creates a world of black and white, an environment where only unimaginable highs and fathomless lows exist with nothing in between. Do well today, you're the next king in waiting. Fail to become that king tomorrow, you were never worth a dime.

I believe they did well in their first European campaign in the club's history. Theirs was a tricky draw, and they lost their opening game at home to the weakest team in their group. Then, they managed to get results both at the Velodrome and the Johan Cruyff Arena, which isn't a small feat for a newbie, and finish top of their group. Not by parking the bus, but by playing their usual game. We should also keep in mind that they don't only lack the quality and depth to deal with 2 games in a week but the experience too. Thursday nights, especially, are difficult to handle because it's almost a certainty that you'll face a team more rested than you. Case at hand, they only won once in the PL after a midweek outing.

Roma are going through a rosy spell at the moment. It was always going to be a difficult task getting a result in Rome. Nevertheless, De Rossi had clearly studied Brighton's build-up and had his team prepared. And that's where De Zerbi finds himself right now. A good enough manager with distinct intricacies in his game plan who either needs better players to take the next step or is about to reach his ceiling. Perhaps, a combination of both these things. Only time will tell.
 

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Brighton’s squad is paper thin though. They lose their two best central midfielders in the summer and their two best wingers to injury. For a club their size that’s a huge setback.
I haven't followed them closely the last couple of months, but Whoscored says the 3-0 Fulham loss had a midfield 4 (3-4-2-1 with wingbacks) of Enciso, Lallana, Van Hecke and Baleba. That's a 35 year old guy who's well, well past his best, a pair of 20 year olds with a combined 50 games or so of top level football and a CB. That's just not a Premier league level midfield unless those young guys have improved a lot since the last time I watched them. Enciso is a fun threat outside the box, Baleba probably has potential, but that's about the result you'd expect.
 

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Brighton are currently experiencing the worst injury crisis in history of European football.

On a serious note, De Zerbi is far from a certain thing, I think anyone is going to be on the same page here. He's very young, has done well with Sassuolo and Brighton but that's a level or two below what would be expected from him at United or City. I find it quite hard to assess him on his Brighton spell alone because of how turbulent things are there. I like the football they play, even in games they lose heavily they still produce some very good moments where it feels like 1 or 2 quality players could turn things around, however his inability to produce results when dominating games is concerning and I think he meddles with the team a little too much. They've still overperformed this year relative to what realistic expectations should have been, but they've been in a similar place for a while even under Potter i.e. playing well but struggling to see off games.

Basically you wouldn't really know what you are getting into with him, much like many other young managers.
Completely fair.

I know we’re all being a bit jokey about our own injuries but I think there’s been some good posts in here acknowledging Brightons too.

It’s hard to assess De Zerbis exact vision and implementation when as others have pointed out he’s not exactly got experienced pros throughout his side.
 

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No it was the “What would be said about him were he United manager” reply. It’s not my serious view of him or the club.
eeeesh, I'd like to take a moment, before the crippling weight of the ginormous WOOOSH that's lying on my neck squashes me into the ground, to thank you for the composure of your reply =D

I’ve said many times De Zerbi is a good manager but Roma are where they deserve to be in Serie A.

They aren’t anywhere a title challenge and I’d argue levels below still even Juventus and AC Milan. They’ve been playing better under De Rossi (still struggling against better sides) but last night Brighton weren’t unlucky they were just outclassed.
Although, I'd like to add: Roma is a bit of a strange beast. To me, their squad has always been better than it looked during all these years under Fonseca and Mourinho, barren of joy of play for such a long time.
Granted they're not top-3 material but they are closer than many will concede. And in this phase, as they're thirsty coming out of a desert of enthusiasm, lead by a dude who's got that club legend status, the right ideas and the right attitude, they are living one of those moments where they all feel better than they objectively are.

At the moment they are tougher than most people assume. I mean, I support Inter and they were the only team so far in calendar year 2024 that was able to put us in a bad place for 45mins straight.
 
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eeeesh, I'd like to take a moment, before the crippling weight of the ginormous WOOOSH that's lying on my neck squashes me into the ground, to thank you for the composure of your reply =D


Although, I'd like to add: Roma is a bit of a strange beast. To me, their squad has always been better than it looked during all these years under Fonseca and Mourinho, barren of joy of play for such a long time.
Granted they're not top-3 material but they are closer than many will concede. And in this phase, as they're thirsty coming out of a desert of enthusiasm, lead by a dude who's got that club legend status, the right ideas and the right attitude, they are living one of those moments where they all feel better than they objectively are.

At the moment they are tougher than most people assume. I mean, I support Inter and they were the only team so far in calendar year 2024 that was able to put us in a bad place for 45mins straight.
:lol: These things happen.

They have got one of the better squads they’ve had in recent history but it’s still far flung from peak Roma sides. They are good enough to beat any side in Serie A apart from the top 3 who even when they give a good game just keep falling short.

I just find it amusing that while De Zerbi rightly gets plaudits for a nice play style on the whole he doesn’t necessarily have the tools to manage United. 4-0 is a heavy loss to just an above average Roma.
 

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A Roma side with a significant talent advantage and a manager who spent years studying De Zerbi, knew his Brighton like the back of his hand, and spent twice as much time as normal preparing this game

This was sort of a perfect storm for this to happen honestly. Add in an early chance off the post, a miracle save by Svilar and a couple wasted chances to get back into the game early in the second half

Being good at your job doesn't prevent another guy who might also be good at his job and happens to work with better tools than you to find the best way to dismantle your work
 

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Obviously they're doing very well for a small club, but they are 9th in the PL, on track to finish with fewer points than last season. Well behind a team as bad as we are. And just got smashed by Roma in the EL. Injuries and the sale of key players clearly matter, but some of the praise is well overdone.
I think some people are revelling in their demise because of the overhyped success from the last couple of seasons. A club can’t keep selling their best players year on year and expect to progress. There will eventually be a drop in quality.
 

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The 3rd goal they conceded against City was so heinous I was genuinely lost for words at how piss poor collectively it was. Normally a defensive howler is between 2 players and not an entire defensive unit. And the crazy thing was that the sky pundits praised them for the howler with Mensa spokesman Jamie Redknapp explaining it away beautifully by saying "Well, these things happen".
 

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This is why we need to judge managers on 2 seasons. ETH looked good last season, de Zerbi amazing and now look.

Where will Ange be in 12 months?
 

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Ultimately their transfer policy finally fell down a bit this season.

Not really sure what the plan was for central midfield once Alexis Mac and Caciedo both went.

Gilmour's been a key part of the team in last 12 months but he's still clearly a downgrade on MacAllister. Dahoud had a good pedigree in Bundesliga but obviously didn't settle or De Zerbi didn't want him and they allowed him to go back to Germany without replacing him which was a bad error.

Beyond that it's likes of Lallana and Moder so you can see the problem position compared to last year. I think Milner would've played loads of games at CM if he was fit which is a strangely short term fix by a club so adept at long term moves given he's not far off 40 now.

Also baffled by Ansu Fati warming the bench week in week out. What a waste of a year of his career and you'd have thought he'd have been a regular given Mitoma has played two games in six months.

Interested of course to get the actual facts on these decisions from the Brighton fans on here.
 

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Where will Ange be in 12 months?
He's following the same trajectory as Ten Hag did. New Manager bounce lasts a while, makes you think the Manager is amazing but the real test is when results fade and the club goes in a rut.

I dunno how much Brighton spent in the Summer, but for a club like them it's always tricky with their best players leaving and replacing them with relatively unproven youngsters. The concern is that Brighton have fallen back to Potter standards where they struggle to score goals.
 

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This is why we need to judge managers on 2 seasons. ETH looked good last season, de Zerbi amazing and now look.

Where will Ange be in 12 months?
He's already been declared amazing, shit, amazing again and now a bit dodgy within just this season!