The BBC scraping the barrel when it comes to concocting another negative story about United. Pathetic organisation!
United announce new stadium plans
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The question should be if they are good at their job and not about their race.
That would be a first for Glazer owned United!
Surely you’d select the best people possible regardless of race or gender.
Are they good at their job, though?
Don't know if Neville has much experience in stadium planning, or was anything past the money in his hotel projects. Ineos didn't build Nice's plush stadium. Burnham can help smooth the gears. Sebastian Coe is a massive twa...
So, how do we know they're good at the job in hand?
how does a fart like that get coverage in the BBC?See my hard earned money paying the license fee is being put to good use, absolutely pathetic from a organisation that’s still living in the dark ages living off its distant past glories
RaceCaf strikes again.
The accusation comes from the Anthony Walker Foundation. All the bbc is doing is reporting the news.
Usually does follow, the 'shoot the messenger' routine when racism is alleged.
Not if you’re institutionally racist like us.
90,000 doesn't really sound like future planning. If we're investing hundreds of millions on a new stadium it should be 120-150,000.
Other than that, it's great to see the new owners being so pro active.
Other than that, it's great to see the new owners being so pro active.
Look up Neville, he is involved in several large redevelopments in Manchester. It’s not just his hotel
That would be a huge footprint, but I'd like to see 100k.
It’s an argument focused on race, and it’s a story about United. It ticks all the boxes for them!
We probably shouldn't provoke them blithely dismissing the legitimate concerns of a charity founded to commemorate the racially motivated murder of a teenager. Certainly not with the usual 'political correctness' tropes.
Anyway, the article says the board has not been completed, so any perceived agenda is mitigated.
I was mocking the BBC, not the charity.
How are the concerns legitimate? The task force is merely comprised of appropriately experienced professionals and local stakeholders, the race of which people doesn’t need to be made an issue.
How many other businesses have they criticised for not having black representation?
Does a task force with the remit of regenerating a privately owned football stadium really need diverse representation?
Maybe there time might be better spent questioning why there is no black mayoral candidate for Manchester for example - an actual representative of the people.
The cynic in me also notes they are a Liverpool based charity. I wonder if they poked there noses into the development of the new stand at Anfield or the new stadium at Bramley Moore dock?
Let's see..
Yep.
Mocking (or impugning) the charity's reputation with the usual tropes of whataboutery, misinformation and insinuations of an agenda against our beloved football club.
We know why diversity quotas exist. Without them, racist employment strategies may continue under the disingenuous guise of 'the best man for the job'. Which is disingenuous because of the arbitrary nature of the term.
For what it's worth, I don't particularly agree with the charity's assertion but can absolutely see why they'd make it, and why the BBC would report it. Consider how we may apply for local or central government funding to complete 'Wembleh'.
It'll be interesting to see if (and what) diversity is represented when the completed board is established.
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That's my point exactly. By pointing at their race, we take the focus away from their competence but hey,race will make more news than competence.
Am pretty sure if any of us was a patient in dire need of medical care, we'd be more worried about the Doctor's competence rather than his race.
Did he point at their race or does he point to the lack of any other races? I’d suggest you actually read what was written.
At no point in the statement does it say, ‘White people should be removed for black/brown/yellow/ purple people’, it’s questioning why a task force in a multicultural city that will be looking to profit from multiple cultures has chosen to put forward a group from only one of those cultures.
It’s very hard to fully get the points across in a tweet but the sentiment I take from the words is, inclusion on top of not asking for replacement.
The healthcare sentence is the epitome of whataboutery that subverts any healthy discussion when it comes to race on this forum. What relevance does healthcare have to someone asking for more representation? Utterly disingenuous there.
Did you actually read my post, or was it too difficult to see it from your high horse?
Your reply has very little to do with what I actually wrote. Lots of big words and edgy insinuations but very little actual substance.
The task force is a 4/5 person panel of experts at present. It’s hardly an exercise in ‘racist employment strategies’. Come back with your woke agenda when the club refuses to hire black builders for the project, refuses to employ non-whites in the new stadium or the city council refuse to home ethnic families in the new build housing.
There is very little point continuing this conversation, because it’s clear any suggestion or counter argument I might make will be shouted down as ‘whataboutery’. It’s especially futile as I was only (tongue in cheek) replying to a comment on the BBC, and generally really couldn’t give a crap. Each to their own, live and let live.
This thread is about the stadium, and doesn’t need detailing with any more of this nonsense.
Or you build for expected demand, bake into those plans what and how a future expansion phase can be achieved, and then asses demand/feasibility/cost/benefit in future.
You don't just build for an extra 120-150 because the demand maybe there in future.
United should be building a beautiful large imposing stadium. I'd say some top designers from Spain or Italy should be involved if we want to avoid something quite ugly or toilet bowl esque. It should be distinct and aesthetically pleasing.
Wembley is an eyesore and like I've said before they made mistakes having large metal shutters in view of television cameras in each corner. They now put this tarp over them as they look like some awful shopping precinct with those huge metal shutters. Yes I know what they're for, you hide them and design it differently, typical ill thought out and ugly that we see here for decades.
We should be thinking Nou Camp, Bernabeu, not a piss hole like Wembley.
We need fans close to the pitch which can be done to look nice and expansive still as other stadiums show. I'm worried we'll end up with some multi purpose ugly stadium and throwing away something that is quite good and unique but still could've been better designed, like the quadrants, roof design and so forth. We should be trading up to something with more prestige and corrected rather than some commercial tick all boxes build. What is Seb Coe bringing exactly? Football, fans and community are important.
I hope we can get some designs offered to vote or express opinion on. Most people I know don't want a soulless bowl that looks like any other. Yes we have to acknowledge some commercial enterprise.
This is Manchester United and should not compromising for other sports, attractions.
Wembley is an eyesore and like I've said before they made mistakes having large metal shutters in view of television cameras in each corner. They now put this tarp over them as they look like some awful shopping precinct with those huge metal shutters. Yes I know what they're for, you hide them and design it differently, typical ill thought out and ugly that we see here for decades.
We should be thinking Nou Camp, Bernabeu, not a piss hole like Wembley.
We need fans close to the pitch which can be done to look nice and expansive still as other stadiums show. I'm worried we'll end up with some multi purpose ugly stadium and throwing away something that is quite good and unique but still could've been better designed, like the quadrants, roof design and so forth. We should be trading up to something with more prestige and corrected rather than some commercial tick all boxes build. What is Seb Coe bringing exactly? Football, fans and community are important.
I hope we can get some designs offered to vote or express opinion on. Most people I know don't want a soulless bowl that looks like any other. Yes we have to acknowledge some commercial enterprise.
This is Manchester United and should not compromising for other sports, attractions.
They tried to banter Antony recently too, sinking to the Sun levels of "journalism"
My family is all white. Are we Institutionally racist? Are we the baddies?
Like cmon BBC there are actual stories out there about people/orgs being racist. Feck me.
Like cmon BBC there are actual stories out there about people/orgs being racist. Feck me.
I wouldn't be surprised if the demand is there already. Season ticket waiting list was supposedly at its highest ever last year, combined with the buy out I'd imagine that the waiting list will be even longer now.
Maybe, but that demand has to be sustained. For example Spurs claimed they still had a waiting list when they moved, but cost of living and some bad years after the move and it's all but gone.
Yeah there maybe some hype after the buy out, but rising costs of everyday lift, the inevitable ticket price increase and if we continue to have turid years... then that demand will fall again.
For these things to be feasible you have to make sure that any demand there is, is sustained and will be sustained.
So nothing like Camp Nou, new or old then.
I wasn't referring to that aspect of the Camp Nou.
It's probably going to be multipurpose in one way or another so let's look to Spurs and Real for some inspiration.
I'd like us to have a retractable pitch like Real which can be swapped out with different surfaces to host various events. If we go down the oval shape route then let's have a single tier stand to give the stadium a little heterogeneity. A retractable roof should also be included, an enclosed stadium could bolster the atmosphere.
I'd like us to have a retractable pitch like Real which can be swapped out with different surfaces to host various events. If we go down the oval shape route then let's have a single tier stand to give the stadium a little heterogeneity. A retractable roof should also be included, an enclosed stadium could bolster the atmosphere.
Have you been to the Camp Nou? One of the biggest shitholes I’ve ever visited, on level with old Wembley.
There aint much about the new Camp Nou plans that impress me either. Wembley, whilst I think is a bit crap… how on earth is this new Camp Nou so much better?
What do you think is so great about it?
Does it even cost anything to be on the waiting list?
It's one thing to state your interest by joining a waiting list, and another to stump up the cash when the time comes to commit to purchasing it (annually).
No chance we could only sell 90,000 each week. And of course you assess demand / cost / benefit etc. I just struggle to believe 90,000 is more beneficial to us than 120.
Anyway, a new stadium should be great.
I can remember a time when United had crowds for league games less than the then capacity of the ground
You want a full stadium not one with 20K+ empty seats, even more if it's an unattractive mid-week fixture
I mentioned aesthetics and referenced some stadiums. We can go down the road of nearly every stadium is a shit hole close up, it's concrete and plastic chairs, I'm not asking to replicate old Wembley or a decaying Camp Nou or piss running down the steps. Perhaps you're not aware of how revered Camp Nou is or Bernabeu is, or Mestalla stadium, pleasing to the eye and bespoke and to some extent even Old Trafford.
For example I wouldn't want huge grey metal shutters taking up the corners from the main television angle.
Another bad aspect for Wembley is all the corporate seats again in the centre view of the camera and always empty or take ages to fill in. You don't see that in the North Stand at OT. When people take pictures of themselves they have the North Stand in the background, camera people at the ground will try to include it from ground level as it looks good, same with other stadiums areas and stands. I'm asking for considerations to have some unique identifiable aspects to a new OT in of course a well appointed stadium. Maybe a Stretford End that has it's own design. I want to avoid ugly quadrants, steel shutters, empty corp areas, bland looking Wanda Wembley Emirates.
I’ve only been to Wembley once, but I don’t think it was that bad. Not as special feeling as I would have liked, it is just a clean functional stadium, very bog standard and basic from what I saw and experienced but certainly not an ‘eyesore’.
However, its impact on the locality leaves something to be desired I’m led to believe.
We should absolutely make sure OT is a benefit to the community not a detriment.
Your not wrong. When I went to the camp nou, the "shop" was in a series of porta kabins, and the stadium looked knackered. Feckin massive, but knackered.
I went to Old Wembley and New Wembley and whilst Old Wembley had so much history and nostalgia, even then, back in 96 when I went, it was knackered looking. New Wembley is perfectly fine. I don’t know why people think it’s an eyesore. The arch is pretty impressive and inside it’s very nice. It’s not a modern marvel but it’s perfectly fine.
I went to the Camp Nou about ten years ago and it looked like it had been bombed. An empty concrete bowl, as run down as you can possibly imagine. And most of the seating is miles from the pitch. The Bernabéu is a much better example of a massive stadium that had a close feeling.
I went to the Camp Nou about ten years ago and it looked like it had been bombed. An empty concrete bowl, as run down as you can possibly imagine. And most of the seating is miles from the pitch. The Bernabéu is a much better example of a massive stadium that had a close feeling.
New Trafford stadium
There has to be a sense of realism to the project. The club is extremely unlikely to take on nearly 2bn in debt on a stadium with only football gate receipts to back it up. We are going to need a multi-purpose stadium to secure any level of public money to contribute towards the project. Modern construction techniques mean that this should be able to be accomplished without compromise towards the primary user - the football club and fan experience.