John Murtough?!We'll be in safe hands dont worry....
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He looks like his Mam still cuts his hair.We'll be in safe hands dont worry....
He's a self-serving sleeveen who's completely out of touch with the reality for most of us in this country. He hasn't a shred of integrity.
On a non-political note, the pedestal GAA cnuts are put on is something else...
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news...-violent-disorder-convictions/a121335141.html
You can brutalise someone, deny doing it despite all the evidence showing you did it, show feck all remorse but everyone will bend over backwards to say you're a good lad because you're good with a hurl and you'll still be hero-worshipped when the Championship rolls around.
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news...-violent-disorder-convictions/a121335141.html
You can brutalise someone, deny doing it despite all the evidence showing you did it, show feck all remorse but everyone will bend over backwards to say you're a good lad because you're good with a hurl and you'll still be hero-worshipped when the Championship rolls around.
Should never have been the Irish leader. He looks like he'd sooner order a g&t at a pub then a Guinness.
Stuff like this really annoys me. Character references being taken into account when sentencing is a total piss-take and who cares what the Limerick manager thinks. So if he wasn't any good at GAA, and had no contacts of standing in the community, he'd have been locked up?
This prick will learn nothing other than the fact that he can get away with this type of thing.
I’ve learned a new word today
He’s be paying 10 grand compensation and has a two and a half year suspended prison sentence.
Bearing in mind he was cleared of the assault outside the nightclub what do you think would be a fair punishment for someone with no previous convictions who punched someone in the face a couple of times?
He was cleared of assaulting the first guy on the ground but was convicted on two counts one outside and one inside.
After the few digs inside, the victim left the club and he followed him outside. When the first guy's friend came out they attacked him too and were kicking him when he was on the deck. This was all because the victim talked to a couple of girls your man knew.
https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2024/0320/1438893-kyle-hayes/
I'm also very dubious the 10 grand is coming out of golden boy's pocket.
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Prison, and punching someone in the face a couple of times is putting it lightly. "The trial heard Hayes was part of a "mob" that "chased", "punched", "stamped" and "kicked" a 24-year-old man, during a "vicious and sustained attack" inside and outside the nightclub."
Why does no previous convictions matter? Does everyone get a freebie? Can I go out, beat the shit out of someone, fracture their eye socket, leave them seriously injured knowing that it's my first time and I'll be fine? It's a stupid unwritten rule. Brutalise someone like that and you go to prison, simple as that.
As for the 10k. Please. One of the star men for the best team in Ireland, backed by a billionaire. He'll have that in an envelope before the weekend.
He should be forced to move to Cavan!
He was convicted of two counts of violent disorder. Cleared of assault causing harm. I’m still not sure what’s annoyed ye so much about this sentence? A suspended prison sentence and ten grand compensation seems fair enough for a first offence of this nature. Where the money might come from is completely irrelevant to the decision in the court.
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Previous convictions obviously matter. I’m sure you’d be the first to demand harsher punishment for someone who is convicted of the exact same offence having hospitalised people in a number of previous, similar incidents. I know I would.
He's a prick who doesn't give a toss about folk outside his peer group. The rich have gotten richer and the poor have gotten poorer on his watch, and that's pretty much the worst you can do as leader of a country like ours.
Not really true. In the grand scheme of things I’d probably be considered “rich” and I can assure you that I pay a lot more in tax now than I did when the current government came to power. FF/FG have definitely done their best by landowners and corporations but when it comes to personal taxation they’ve been riding the hole off the higher earners, throughout their reign. They’re almost the opposite of Tories or Republicans when it comes to this sort of thing.
He does.Yeah if there’s one thing you can say about Ireland it’s that we have a very progressive tax system where those on higher incomes pay the brunt of the taxes. Low earners pay very little.
if anything it’s the middle class FFG have screwed over the most. Taxed to shit, can’t get medical cards, insane childcare fees, priced out of homes. A €100k joint salary in Ireland genuinely is not that great if you have a few kids to boot.
What is the evidence of the poor getting poorer that you can specifically attribute to him and his decisions?
I read somewhere that Ireland has amongst the highest inequality in Europe in terms of gross salaries (probably blame the big tech firms for this?) but our tax system does more than any other EU country to redistribute this wealth.
Well you've come to the wrong conclusion about the point I was making anyway. My last post was pointing out you were wrong that it was only a few slaps but that's beside the point.
What I'm arguing against is what's taken into account when sentencing. If someone facing a similar charge was useless at sports, didn't know the county GAA manager and wasn't involved in the local community at all, would they be any less deserving of clemency?
You also see it in rape cases. The victim isn't any less raped because the local priest got up said you were a good lad. Previous convictions are one thing but character witness statements should be irrelevant in my opinion.
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Child homelessness is up 650%. As is private sector profits and the government had a 16 billion surplus last year.
Child homelessness is obviously terrible, but would it be more fitting to blame the minister for housing, social protection, or children for that issue, though? Private sector profits I'm not too sure he has any real influence on, surplus again a bad thing on the face of it, but I don't completely understand how they work to comment.
I'm certainly not trying to say he's great, he doesn't represent my side of the political spectrum very well, but 'awful person' makes it sound like he's actively implementing right wing policies with glee, I'm not sure that's really been the case? I think you can want better leaders while also appreciating that we are quite lucky to be steering clear of some of the utter moron types that are in or have been in power in other western countries.
I think character statements are a reasonable thing to consider as part of the bigger picture. If the offender acted out of character, shows remorse and is obviously keen to make good and be on their best behaviour from now on then that can all be taken into account when sentencing. I’d much rather stuff like this be considered than a one size fits all approach, without any nuance at all.
Favouring the wealthy while not looking after the vulnerable is a right wing manifesto though. He's like the Daily Mail, openly hounding welfare scroungers while giving the most favourable deal in Europe to corporations.
The housing minister is a disgrace but he's on brand, it's not like his failure is an outlier.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C4vw8VHMCnT/?igsh=MXBqbjBqbDV5ZW9icQ==
Good summary from Mick Clifford on Fine Gael and housing.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/arid-41137534.html
https://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/arid-41137534.html
Also if he has people to look out for him and guide him, it's a positive thing.
I will be the first one to kick up a fuss about privilege and inequality but I don't wish to punish someone who has a better chance of sorting things out because others don't.
It's absolutely true, you just might not be as rich as you think. You're probably middle class. Private sector profit is through the roof. Insane stats. It's your bosses that are getting richer if you aren't.
Even within that, your house (I'm presuming you have one) has accrued huge value in the last 10 years and the hope of the average earner without one to buy one has lessened considerably, so again haves win, have-nots lose. It's the theme of their time in government.
From the CSO "Profits of corporations operating in Ireland increased by 30% in Q4 2022 to €79.8bn, when compared with Q4 2021"
Over a 10 year period those increases are quite common so the % increase over a few decades is insane.
Meanwhile child homeless has risen 650%. It's a shameful juxtaposition.
Which is all well and good when you know pillars of the community but not so good when you don't. Having access to cash also helps. There's an element of classism to it which is always the suspicion with the Justice system.
This lad was also abusive to the Gardai, ran from the scene of the crime and contested all charges which meant a full two week trial. I'm not a huge fan of custodial sentences, in general, but to get a fully suspended sentence after all of that doesn't sit right. Cooperating, admitting guilt early and showing remorse should count for more than character statements.
It's not just a suspicion it's a global fact.
And I fully get your point here. But the solution is to give more people access to these benefits, rather than punish the ones who have because others don't.
In a way I'm a 'champagne socialist' but only in that I want everyone to have it, not just the priveged.
I work in the tech sector and salaries are bananas, yeah, even with the down turn in the last year. Crazy money. Especially at the public multinationals where you get stock options. It’s far beyond the median salary in the country.
anyway wealth is hardly our problem, ineptitude is. We are bleeding out our eyeballs in wealth thanks to the corpo tax receipts. We can’t spend our full housing budget quick enough. We’ve doubled our health spending. We’ve cut taxes repeatedly and increased welfare repeatedly (highest in the EU I think) since 2015. The spending isn’t the issue. It’s how it’s spent. And that’s on FFG. Astonishingly poor mismanagement of public funds. They were given a golden ticket and they made a balls of it.
That's fair. I suppose it's a bit people claiming you only care about penalties that go against your team when it's the system being unfair that's actually the issue.
Pretty much!Fighting talk!
You've no idea how I struggled with that. I was hoping it wasn't an insult and couldn't figure out why I thought it might be.
Just don’t call him a culchie.
Or are they ok now that there are others to poke fun at/be mad at?
Or are they ok now that there are others to poke fun at/be mad at?
Can't believe that little dweeb is going to be our Taoiseach
Aye, I’m struggling with that too.
Why did he resign, what's the backstory there?
It won't be for very long, in any case.
That's it settled then, shinners will walk the next elections