Terror attack in Moscow music hall | Do not post shooting videos or dead bodies

Idxomer said:

You didn't need to spell it out, your first post was obvious enough. My reply stands even more now.

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You seemed like you might have passed out from clutching your pearls, so I wanted to help you.

Raoul said:

Time for Zelenskyy to seriously consider going in to protect Ukrainian speakers in Russia.

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What would that even look like? A ground invasion deep into Russian territory surely would trigger Putin's threatened tactical nuclear response?

So, in conversations with ethnic Ukrainians while in Russia, I was surprised to hear that Ukraine is part of Russia, that Ukraine doesn't really exist, and this was from Ukrainians. In fact, one person who told me this was later smuggled out of Ukraine in a pretty complicated arrangement of secret transports and dodgy brokers. She's safe here in California now, and she's changed her tune somewhat, but she literally told me "Ukrainians are Russians".

B. Munich said:

How can the attackers just get away. You would expect the security forces to seal off the whole area.

Assuming they were so unorganized that the attackers could indeed all escape unharmed. How come they found them so quickly and could arrest heavily armed terrorists without any fatalities.

Next. If they are islamists the usually don't plan to escape at all but die as martyrs to collect their 70+ virgins in paradise.

Nothing makes sense and everything looks very fishy at least.

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Agree with all of this.

The fact that security forces could not seal the entire area and/or that the attackers knew where to find the right escape route means that someone must have received very high-level intel that would allow such escape.

I brought up a comparison with the Paris 2015 attacks earlier, and the entire context around those was even edgier than anything I have seen so far in relation to the context of the Moscow music hall attack. There were 3 suicide bombers at the Stade de France, another who blew himself off at Comptoir Voltaire café, another who blew himself off at the Bataclan and another who was shot before he could detonate it there (for a total of 6). In the aftermath, one of the perpetrators of the restaurant shootings blew his vest during a police raid in Saint-Denis. In all, only Salah Abdeslam was still alive among the attackers on 13 November 2015.

If at least 7 people either blew themselves off or intended to do so during the entire chain of events back then, it makes little sense that Russian police and special forces did not meet such resistance if those apprehended people really are ISIS-K.

The execution of the attack may bear similarities with ISIS stuff, but the aftermath is just meh in comparison to what we have seen from other ISIS attacks before. I don't think those arrested people are even the attackers to begin with.

RedDevilQuebecois said:

Agree with all of this.

The fact that security forces could not seal the entire area and/or that the attackers knew where to find the right escape route means that someone must have received very high-level intel that would allow such escape.

I brought up a comparison with the Paris 2015 attacks earlier, and the entire context around those was even edgier than anything I have seen so far in relation to the context of the Moscow music hall attack. There were 3 suicide bombers at the Stade de France, another who blew himself off at Comptoir Voltaire café, another who blew himself off at the Bataclan and another who was shot before he could detonate it there (for a total of 6). In the aftermath, one of the perpetrators of the restaurant shootings blew his vest during a police raid in Saint-Denis. In all, only Salah Abdeslam was still alive among the attackers on 13 November 2015.

If at least 7 people either blew themselves off or intended to do so during the entire chain of events back then, it makes little sense that Russian police and special forces did not meet such resistance if those apprehended people really are ISIS-K.

The execution of the attack may bear similarities with ISIS stuff, but the aftermath is just meh in comparison to what we have seen from other ISIS attacks before. I don't think those arrested people are even the attackers to begin with.

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The U.S. reported that they had intelligence indicating that ISIS was conducting reconnaissance in certain areas. It's possible they had prior knowledge of all potential escape routes.

Obviously, most terrorists getting away from the main city and arrested right away somewhere else with no resistance is unusual, but I am not sure if it indicates a false flag operation or something similar. It could mean that the Russian security service is just a bit shit, which is not exactly new and Putin was busy killing his rival and beating the protestors up for the past month or so.

Strange how ISIS has access to body cam footage from the terrorists if it was Ukraine who was behind it.

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Wing Attack Plan R said:

How long before this narrative shifts, and US college students start holding rallies in support of Khorasan?

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Raoul said:

Gotta wait until Tik Tok accounts get on board.

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Wow. Speechless.

Watching a bit of the GoPro footage two things really jump out - cutting off an ear didn’t go nearly far enough. And those terrorists knew no one was coming to stop them.

RedDevilQuebecois said:

Nothing shown there.

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It was a BBC 'Breaking News' clip where the newscaster broke from her story to announce that at least 28 people had been shot at a hospital (iirc,) near Moscow.

harms said:

Seems fake. Nothing like this is getting reported here.

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Fair enough.

4bars said:

So you would inform back the informant that give you the information in the first place...seems logic

Hey mate, the information that you gave me that this guy had a gun I just want to tell you...that guy has a gun!!

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If you’ve got an informant then you keep their cover. That includes passing the FSB messages you might’ve gotten from them as if you didn’t get it from them to maintain the cover.

All spy agencies round the world will have informants everywhere else I bet but you don’t want to out them and lose that source.

matherto said:

If you’ve got an informant then you keep their cover. That includes passing the FSB messages you might’ve gotten from them as if you didn’t get it from them to maintain the cover.

All spy agencies round the world will have informants everywhere else I bet but you don’t want to out them and lose that source.

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Omg, i wont explain myself again what my point is.

When a terrorist meets a terrorist.

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Raoul said:

One plausible explanation is that Putin has a previous track record of using people from the Caucuses to do his dirty work or else blaming them as a pretext to invade an area in the region. The Nemtsov murder in particular springs to mind. On the other hand, I have my doubts as to Putin being so craven to randomly murder civilian Russians simply to buy himself the political capital for a new mobilization or to escalate in Ukraine.

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Hmm... Wouldn't have been false flag drone attack on Moscow or another major target not a better way to get the support of the people for a full mobilization?

B. Munich said:

Hmm... Wouldn't have been false flag drone attack on Moscow or another major target not a better way to get the support of the people for a full mobilization?

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Right. If this truly was a false flag attack intended to strengthen internal resolve in the war against Ukraine, why make it out to be an Islamist attack? At best you could then argue that they were funded or otherwise helped by Ukraine, but even if people believe that it's automatically less credible and less direct.

And why would ISIS claim responsibility? Some Islamist groups do claim responsibility for things they didn't do (one such group claimed to be responsible for the 22 July attacks in Norway, which led to some politicians going "aha, we knew it!"), but as far as I know that's not something ISIS does.

nimic said:

but as far as I know that's not something ISIS does.

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I'm pretty sure they only take credit when they are involved. Obviously they take great delight in announcing it, but I can't remember them claiming something they didn't do. Others have blamed them before and they have come out and denied involvement, so I can't see this being any different. The fact Putin is still trying to push the Ukraine involvement narrative even though Isis announced to the world they did it is really strange. I get why he would push that narrative, just can't see why he's still insisting after such a public announcement unless reports inside Russia have been suppressed and many are unaware?

moses said:

Is this some degree of dog whistling or just a really poorly articulated post?

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? I think I clarified later in the thread.

They didn't even bother removing the plastic bag used in his torture session before putting him infront of the cameras.

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the hea said:

They didn't even bother removing the plastic bag used in his torture session before putting him infront of the cameras.

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This is just ridiculous. Even if this guy is one of the attackers, that is not how to treat any suspect.

RedDevilQuebecois said:

This is just ridiculous. Even if this guy is one of the attackers, that is not how to treat any suspect.

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this is just the tip of the iceberg I feel that guy will likely be tortured every single day for as long as he lives.

dannyrhinos89 said:

this is just the tip of the iceberg I feel that guy will likely be tortured every single day for as long as he lives.

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The worst in all of it is the amount of absolute bullshit he will "confess" under torture.

The way they arrested these guys, no resistance, no fight despite being heavily armed and just having killed over 100 civilians in cold blood, just doesn't make any sense.
If I were one of these guys, I would fight till the end to avoid capture at all cost. Isn't dying as a martyr very highly regarded in their beliefs anyway?

B. Munich said:

The way they arrested these guys, no resistance, no fight despite being heavily armed and just having killed over 100 civilians in cold blood, just doesn't make any sense.
If I were one of these guys, I would fight till the end to avoid capture at all cost. Isn't dying as a martyr very highly regarded in their beliefs anyway?

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There's been several instances of Isis trying to escape rather than do the suicide bomb or go out in a hail of bullets. Surrendering might not be their memo, but Isis releasd footage from their body cams and claimed responsibility. Im not sure why there such a fixation of this being a smokescreen for someone else.

I don't see how this can be a false flag tbh. There is no way FSB and ISIS would actually coordinate anything together ever and it is clear ISIS was the guiding hand behind it, despite Russian attempts to claim otherwise.

FSB were caught with their pants down despite being warned. That's the long and short of it.

I didn't say it's false flag. Undoubtedly, the Russian security forces fecked up big time and let the attackers get away.

My guess is rather they arrested just some random guys and not the real terrorists to calm down the outraged public.

B. Munich said:

I didn't say it's false flag. Undoubtedly, the Russian security forces fecked up big time and let the attackers get away.

My guess is rather they arrested just some random guys and not the real terrorists to calm down the outraged public.

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Bellingcat have analyzed the videos from both ISIS and the FSB and concluded that they are the same people.

B. Munich said:

I didn't say it's false flag. Undoubtedly, the Russian security forces fecked up big time and let the attackers get away.

My guess is rather they arrested just some random guys and not the real terrorists to calm down the outraged public.

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They’ve already been confirmed to be the same people.

In all of this, I'm quite surprised that no one has demanded the head of the FSB to hand his resignation letter on Putin's desk just yet.

The photographs of the perpetrators in custody are atrocious

RedDevilQuebecois said:

In all of this, I'm quite surprised that no one has demanded the head of the FSB to hand his resignation letter on Putin's desk just yet.

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He will sign it shortly before he accidentally falls out of a hotel window

I heard arrested guys accidentally fell down the stairs few times before going to court.

Real Name said:

I heard arrested guys accidentally fell down the stairs few times before going to court.

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I miss the old when opponents of Putin were falling from their balconies. Windows and stairs in Russia are, for some reason, dangerous.