Crazy how red cafe is blue cafe where City players, Managers, Executives gets praised more than on any site that isn't full of City fans, still we see posts like this.
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Indeed. This place is very Gary Neville in that sense. It’s great forum but in the attempt to be balanced it usually goes too far the other way with constant gushing over our riflaen players / managers.
Exactly.
This will make sense if only City players were the ones calling Pep a great coach, but that's not the case. Manchester United's current captain just said Pep is the best Coach also and that he revolutionized football.
It is what it is.
He is a good coach.
AND City cheat… and I don’t see how he can know nothing about things OR question them.
The two things can co-exist
(and I couldn’t care what an individual player says… that doesn’t make something instantly true and it’s be childish to think it does/should)
Everyone knows that he’s a great coach. A lot of his success has been comfy / cheaty though. It is what it is.
He’s been successful everywhere he’s been, so it’s no surprise his players praise him. But that’s what happens when you manage prime Barca, prime Bayern, and spend billions at the cheats.
Obviously. But the thing is that it's not just one player that's saying it, it's a bunch of great players (past and present) and coaches whom some have worked with Pep and others haven't. Sorry to say, but their opinion on the matter holds more weight than yours.
I have never seen a bag of money score a goal, unless you also have any proof that Barcelona, Bayern and City players were physically doping under Pep.
Why haven't all the other coaches who've coached those teams and/or other wealthy teams not benefited as much or won as much as Pep though ?
*checks notes*
Trebles (or better): Heynckes, Flick
Best league season: Heynckes
Longest unbeaten run: Flick
Other managers got more impressive results at Bayern than he did before and after him.
He got Bayern to an impressively consistent very high level, but he didn't get them to their absolute peaks.
More that football fans can't generally do measured takes, everyone has to be the GOAT or a fraud. Pep is undeniably a good coach, there's a lot of question marks over any coach as to whether they're better than former greats though and he's no exception.
I could be mis-remembering, but he never seemed very settled there from my memory. Wouldn't be surprised if he had his eye on the city job ahead of leaving Bayern. I remember being quite surprised at the time that he went to Germany rather than England.
He couldn't cheat there, so it made his life more difficult.
I meant in General and you know it, just like you know that none of them is considered a better coach than Pep.
Offcourse asking whether one great coach is better than another is perfectly normal, but there's a big difference between that and calling in overrated or saying he's "just a good coach".
He tried though right? I remember there being something about the Bayern medical staff who either resigned or got fired?
That’s because you choose not to see it. City are the most pathetic case of cheating I’ve seen in football and will hopefully have their titles stripped eventually. Barca paid refs for years. Bayern win league titles as long as the manager isn’t Tuchel.
Exactly. Everyone here knows Pep is obviously a great manager and the best in the world right now. I just don’t think he’s the best ever or ever will be as his success has a lot of holes in / caveats to it.
But Pep’s orgasm obviously needs everyone to hail his overlord to feel complete, or something.
Which other managers inherited that peak Barcelona team, then moved to treble-winning Bayern, then spent over 2 billion on an already strong City team who had been winning leagues in the years beforehand? Not saying he isn’t a good manager, but his legacy is clearly built on the ridiculous resources he has had at his disposal.
Not sure who said that but it would depend on the definition of 'good' I suppose.
So no proof of his players doping then?
You know you're already losing it when you start resulting to childish name calling like this.
Hindsight is always 20/20, isn't it. That peak Barcelona team hadn't won anything for 2 seasons and weren't anywhere close to the level they played once Pep arrived. But I guess they could have played and won the way they did under any coach (including you or me) right? Funny enough all those generational talents he coached all basically say he's the best and that he improved them greatly. Once again, I'll say their opinion holds more weight.
What he did at Barcelona from his first season ensured that he was only going to go higher and that only the richest clubs were going to be able to afford him because any unbiased person could clearly tell that he was special as a coach.
Don't Kid yourself, City won 2 titles before Pep arrived and were considered a good team, but they weren't feared like they became when he arrived.
Who is talking about doping? You seem defensive about it as I didn’t bring it up. Maybe that needs investigating along with 115 charges. Cheats the lot of them.
I am definitely not resulting and I’ll have nobody accuse me of it.
Maybe because that's the only way to prove that they're cheating on the pitch ?
A bag of money has never scored a goal or passed a ball. The players need to train and prepare like every other team and players to play the way the coach wants them to.
"Pep orgasm" " my overlord"? Those aren't name calling?
You don't seem fit to have a conversation without spilling your emotions everywhere.
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This argument always cracks me up. City cheated to get that team. None of their players, if they had never won the lottery, would ever have considered playing for City.
Like I said, when he played in a league where he couldn't cheat, his performance was par.
What are you, his son or something? This sort of hero worship is very childish.
I think you’re the one kidding yourself. City were the richest team in the league by far and had spent by far the most money. It’s pretty moronic to suggest they weren’t on an upwards trajectory, they were being bankrolled to the top of the league regardless of Pep. But hey, carry on with the romantic pretence that Pep made your club what it is today.
And that peak Barcelona team had Messi, Iniesta, Xavi, and Busquets among others, and went on to win another treble after Pep left. Clearly Pep’s influence driving them on even after he left.
Did he sleep with your partner or something? Do you consider Bruno Fernandes, Thierry Henry, and other past and present players who regard Pep very highly as a coach to be hero worshippers too? I guess you think you know better than them too right?
You can talk about the club cheating to get those players (I haven't said anything against that), but you simply have no argument talking about them cheating on the pitch.
So you just typed all that in your 1st paragraph and couldn't contradict a single thing I said? I never said they weren't in an upward trajectory, I said they weren't as feared as they became under Pep, is that not true?
Funny enough, all those players you listed regard Pep as the best coach even though they won titles and trebles without him, so what does that tell you?
pep is the greatest ever coach. i wouldn’t have him close the the greatest ever managers.
You’re seriously underestimating all the ground work that was done by Rijkaard priori to Pep’s arrival as head coach.
You’re also seriously underestimating the power of money at City. He bought quite a few expensive players that turned out to be duds but it ultimately didn’t matter because he was able to replace them quite quickly and easily. It wouldn’t have been the same if he had to continuously play with Eliaquim Mangala and not been able to recruit Stones and Dias for instance
People keep bringing this up, but the chief physician at the time had and has his own shady reputation and rumored involvment in not quite legal and or not quite scientific performance enhancing methods.
Well, he took the mantle at a cheating, multi-title winning squad and spent another 2 billion on them. But yeah, it’s all Pep.
What are you even trying to say with your second paragraph? Pep is the greatest ever because his Barcelona players say so?
Has the nubile exhausted his daily post count yet?
8 likes already, so we'll be having to put up with this nonsense full time soon.
No wonder the Forum is going down the pan.
8 likes already, so we'll be having to put up with this nonsense full time soon.
No wonder the Forum is going down the pan.
Let me go back and see who started talking about cheating on the pitch and doping on this thread.
YAY!!! IT WAS YOU!!!
2 Billion what? Euro/Dollars?
Certainly ain't £
Yeah, but what about the brown paper envelopes.
Saved you the trouble of typing it.
The ”groundwork” consisted of badly mismanaging a generational La Masia crop and instead relying on a spent old guard which Pep immediately showed the door.
The successful signings early on can be attributed to Laporta, who became president at the same time Rijkaard became coach.
No wonder he couldn’t get a job to save his life after Pep exposed what a charlatan he was.
How many expensive players have turned out to be duds under him at City? Can you name them?
Mangala was bought before Pep came to City, and I don't remember him being trusted by the previous coach either.
Also, the price of a player is not really indicative of how good the player actually is. Players are priced high for a lot of reasons such as age, transfer close, who the buyer is, etc... No one was calling Diaz and Stones world class players before they played for Pep. The same goes for Rodri, Ake, Grealish, Alvarez.
The same players have had other coaches too, right?Well, he took the mantle at a cheating, multi-title winning squad and spent another 2 billion on them. But yeah, it’s all Pep.
What are you even trying to say with your second paragraph? Pep is the greatest ever because his Barcelona players say so?
You also keep talking about Barca players, what about other players who never played for Barca or any team that Pep has coached for that matter? Like United's current captain for example...
So I take it you don't have any solid argument then? Exactly what I thought.
I know you felt smart when did this, but were you actually smart enough to read the post I quoted talking about cheating?
All the coaches who succeeded him at Barcelona none is heralded like him. Before leaving Barcelona he was already talked about as a great coach while No other Barcelona coach after him has ever been mentioned in the same light. Not Rijkaard, Enrique, Koeman Villanova Martino nor Xavi
Neither have all the coaches who succeeded him at Bayern
Money has been spent at other clubs too. Man Utd have 80M on Sancho Maguire and Antony. Chelsea has on Enzo Mudryk Caicedo Yet None of them is considered a top player
Which coach will spend 7yrs and not changed squad, Can we say the same that if Klopp has continued playing Karius and not signed Alison or continued played Sakho or Mourinho continued playing Melchio, Babayaro Hasselbaink and not signed Fereira, Cashley and Drogba
He talked about cheating. No mention of doping or anything else. But you being the smartest Pep fan here changed the narrative to doping and argued against it.
How can you say he won his trophies by cheating then? Either they beat other teams on the pitch fair and square or they doped (aka cheated).
Saying the club cheated to get the squad is a different thing.
Pep the player was suspended for using nandrolene at Brescia, a ban that was later overturned by the Italian Soccer Federation against the advice of the country's anti-doping prosecutor.
Pep the manager is now the figure head of a club charged with 115 breaches of fair play rules, charges so severe that governments are likely to intervene, if not already.
What a great legacy this fella has.
Pep the manager is now the figure head of a club charged with 115 breaches of fair play rules, charges so severe that governments are likely to intervene, if not already.
What a great legacy this fella has.