Honestly, starting to worry that we could flounder even more.
And the Glazers are still there.
And the Glazers are still there.
Are you confident of success in the INEOS era?
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That does NOT prevent Ratcliffe and Brailsford from finding someone as an interim.
Would we have better chances of ending the season on a high and perhaps win the FA Cup with Ten Hag as the manager? Or would our chances be improved with someone else at the helm for the next 2 months instead? Chelsea used to have Guus Hiddink just for that kind of assignment.
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No not confident at all
Different case. The time for an interim was November or December if we felt it was worth the panic or that we could salvage it. At this point it's pointless. If we play vs Chelsea, Ten Hag has a good record against them. If it's against city, we'll probably lose regardless of manager because it's Pep and City. An interim is only brought in if it's untenable, the squad is against the manager, and you feel like you can realistically salvage the season with somebody else just based on vibes.
A damn sight more confident than I would be without them.
Honestly, I’m not that optimistic anymore. Maybe it’s just because of yesterday’s game but feck me, I’ve resigned myself to the fact that we’ll probably never be one of the top dogs again. I really hope that that’s not true and we can actually compete from next season onward. I want a new manager who can actually show improvement, à la Klopp in his first seasons at Liverpool, and players who actually give a shit. Is that too much to ask for?
The way they handle our failing manager will determine my confidence in them.
What kind of plan do you want? I don't think any club makes their plans public.
No.
We've had the comments about not wanting to spend big to buy the worlds best players, nothing was done about ETH, so now weve missed out on next years champions league, and now the rumors about Southgate.
We've had the comments about not wanting to spend big to buy the worlds best players, nothing was done about ETH, so now weve missed out on next years champions league, and now the rumors about Southgate.
Him and a big chunk of the squad. I will only be fully confident in INEOS if they make any movie from "The Purge" series look like a cakewalk compared to the number of faces that have to be purged out.
Depends IF we have a manager who can motivate players to run through a brick wall for him
Yes, I am confident. But we need to do things in the correct sequence. The hiring of the manager should be done by the experts we have brought in.
Pretty impossible to make any judgement until we see a period where you'd actually judge them. Clearly they're not responsible for what's happening on the pitch right now, and same goes for if things were going well.
Recruitment of some good backroom operators is positive, but think we can only make predictions from what we see in the off season.
Recruitment of some good backroom operators is positive, but think we can only make predictions from what we see in the off season.
The fact we’ve been shit on a stick since they came in is indicative of nothing. We were before. The decisions so far made above have seemed like good ones. We will know more in the Summer. I’m confident as the club is still so huge and this naive feeling that the cream always rises. They should be aiming for 3-4 years time though when there’s no Klopp or Pep.
That would be penny wise and pound foolish of them, and would make me very pessimistic about the way the club is going to be run. Perhaps now it's too late, but just a few weeks ago the season could've still been salvaged with an interim. The incremental benefit of qualifying for the CL next season would surely outweigh the incremental cost of having to terminate ETH's contract early.
So they still keeping ETH around. So no.
The clubs been average to crap for 10 years. Maybe give them som time to change things first.
We'll find out. They'll need time to get it right and we have no choice but to have faith.
However, not impressed so far. I think they dropped the ball on not sacking ETH during/after the holiday schedule. I think they should have tried to get an interim in and gone for that CL spot.
However, not impressed so far. I think they dropped the ball on not sacking ETH during/after the holiday schedule. I think they should have tried to get an interim in and gone for that CL spot.
It would have been a very brave decision to sack Ten Hag at that point. Certainly after the Villa comeback game.
I'll make a similar point I made on the other thread.
People correctly keep demanding long term strategic planning but most are too impatient. Short term/temporary solutions don't work and cause longer term issues.
People are demanding 90% of the team are sold because they're rubbish and want this sorted immediately..
INEOS needs to design a medium/long term plan and implement/develop a football (alongside a wider organisational) strategy based on that.
Even if that means a crap few months, fine. It's been a mostly crap 11 years. We'll benefit from longer term thinking for once.
Never have been. I've been pleasantly surprised that they have started to tackle some of the issues higher up, but equally unsurpassed that they've allowed EtH to get away with dragging the club down.
I've also been incredibly uninspired by the suggested replacements for the manager, but not surprised in the slightest. In a year's time I fully expect to still see dross like Rashford being undroppable and EtH still clinging on.
I've also been incredibly uninspired by the suggested replacements for the manager, but not surprised in the slightest. In a year's time I fully expect to still see dross like Rashford being undroppable and EtH still clinging on.
This, and if they replace him with Southgate then I give up.
Can’t help but laugh at people judging them already.
I will be once several of the simply not good enough players, coaches, medical staff and manager leave. Half of this should be achievable by June 1st.
If they tackle at least one of the consistent down tool brigade this summer, then confidence we start to be formed. Bruno a year left on contract and accept anything for Rashford - either or both would be a good start.
Sacking ETH today would be a brilliant start.
Sacking ETH today would be a brilliant start.
Not really. We're further away than ever after how Ten Hag has spent £400m.
The squad is an absolute mess and it's a long long way back.
The squad is an absolute mess and it's a long long way back.
Absolutely no guarantee an interim turns this around. Not sure that's a fair thing to levy against new ownership which has been in place since Christmas.
Aye, Boley’s gutsy decision really turned things round at Chelsea, didn’t it?
I don't think long-term should be conflated with not doing anything and sitting on our laurels before everything is at the optimum condition. CL football next season could have been part of our long term vision. For a club with FFP issues, due to gross negligence and incompetence the last 11 years, extra revenue that we could generate with CL football can help realize that long term vision.
If we keep waiting for this "perfect structure" to come to fruition before we can make any moves or decisions, we'll keep waiting till eternity. The club has to keep going while this magical structure is being set-up in the background.
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I did not realise ETH did all the negotiations.
We will get better, but it will take much longer than the fans would appreciate. Especially since our structure won't be in place anytime soon
Plans are evident by actions, so we'll see what happens going forwards.
I think the intentions from INEOS are genuine enough. I'm not confident much will improve because for all the talk, we still have the same owners which means the overriding priority won't change.
Also the links to Southgate are very far from encouraging. They might be bollocks but that sort of stuff is so alarming that if I was INEOS I would be clarifying that it is bollocks.
We're certainly not where we need to be but I think it's a bit of short term memory loss to say we're further away than ever. ETH took over the worst united side ever in the PL era, got CL and won a trophy in his first season. The first trophy in 6 years. He could win a trophy this season as well. Which I think is the first time post Sir Alex we've won trophies 2 years in a row if we manage to upset the odds.
Things are a long way from being good and if the right manager comes up I'd certainly back a change. But if the options are Potter, southgate and De Zerbi we'd be going from the frying pan and straight into the fire.
If we approach someone like Inzaghi and he's willing to come then I'd back that type of change.
The only person I'm confident in is Omar Berrada.
I'm not confident in ten Hag, I'm not confident in 80% of the squad, I'm not confident in Dan Ashworth and I'm unsure about SJR.
I'm not confident in ten Hag, I'm not confident in 80% of the squad, I'm not confident in Dan Ashworth and I'm unsure about SJR.
If they indeed speak to Southgate i will give up watching United for the next 2.5 years.
if they know anything about football they should know that Southgate is not the man to be offered a job in professional football
if they know anything about football they should know that Southgate is not the man to be offered a job in professional football
No, it's a leap into the great unknown. Changes are/were needed but making them won't necessarily bring success. There's lots of other clubs doing good things and striving to be the best they can be. Things look fairly promising so far but there's no guarantee we'll get everything right.
I'm hopeful for at least some improvement but Im certainly not confident in terms of us winning the biggest trophies. It's wait and see what happens situation.
I'm hopeful for at least some improvement but Im certainly not confident in terms of us winning the biggest trophies. It's wait and see what happens situation.
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We aren't going to beat City (probably not even Coventry). The league Cup was just the result of easy draws.
The top 3 are miles ahead of us and we've blown the money to catch up.
Why are you so sure other managers won't do any better than the horrendous football Ten Hag has us playing?
Yeah.
we knew this wouldn’t be an overnight thing and we shouldn’t expect Brailsford and Ratcliffe to be making calls regarding EtH now, let them get the people in the positions above him to make that call when here, Brailsford no doubt relaying to them already his thoughts.
This will take 2+ years to get going so buckle up.
we knew this wouldn’t be an overnight thing and we shouldn’t expect Brailsford and Ratcliffe to be making calls regarding EtH now, let them get the people in the positions above him to make that call when here, Brailsford no doubt relaying to them already his thoughts.
This will take 2+ years to get going so buckle up.
Quite frankly the answer is no.
The EPL had become the most challenging league in the world. It was always a highly physically demanding league played at ridiculously high tempo but not the quality had skyrocketed in terms of talent and in terms of tactics. Each game had become a cup final, the league had become a grinder and the error margins are ridiculously low. That means that you have to have every department (fitness, coaching, physios, recruitment, 1st team, academy) working together in perfect harmony and it also means having a 25 men squad whose top of the notch talent and attitude wise. We don't have that.
INEOS is hardly renowned for football success either. Lausanne is at last place and after a decent start of the season Nice FC had fallen to 5th place again. On top of that the Glazers are still there and that's a problem
What I am very confident in is that INEOS won't tolerate mediocrity and waste. Turning things around by cutting waste, mediocracy and by improving work practice and standards is part of INEOS DNA. You only have to hear Ratcliffe speak for 5 minutes to understand that. They are always on the move and on the look out of how things can improve. Success is far from guaranteed but if mediocrity is in our future then for the first time in decades that would be done with owners who'll kick and scream their way to it. SJR had build his reputation in turning failing businesses into a success. He's too proud, too innovative and too frigging competitive to let United sink under his watch without him doing everything in his power to try and turn things around.
The EPL had become the most challenging league in the world. It was always a highly physically demanding league played at ridiculously high tempo but not the quality had skyrocketed in terms of talent and in terms of tactics. Each game had become a cup final, the league had become a grinder and the error margins are ridiculously low. That means that you have to have every department (fitness, coaching, physios, recruitment, 1st team, academy) working together in perfect harmony and it also means having a 25 men squad whose top of the notch talent and attitude wise. We don't have that.
INEOS is hardly renowned for football success either. Lausanne is at last place and after a decent start of the season Nice FC had fallen to 5th place again. On top of that the Glazers are still there and that's a problem
What I am very confident in is that INEOS won't tolerate mediocrity and waste. Turning things around by cutting waste, mediocracy and by improving work practice and standards is part of INEOS DNA. You only have to hear Ratcliffe speak for 5 minutes to understand that. They are always on the move and on the look out of how things can improve. Success is far from guaranteed but if mediocrity is in our future then for the first time in decades that would be done with owners who'll kick and scream their way to it. SJR had build his reputation in turning failing businesses into a success. He's too proud, too innovative and too frigging competitive to let United sink under his watch without him doing everything in his power to try and turn things around.
As a club we have quite a low ceiling, and that's because of the clubs fanbase. Unless we land another Fergie, I don't think we'll be successful because the clubs fanbase will never allow us to run in the way other genuinely successful top level clubs work.
This summer will mean everything. John Murtough. Erik ten Hag. Marcus Rashford. Bruno Fernandes. If any of these individuals is still here next season, it tells me all I need to know about INEOS’s “grand project”, no matter how many Berradas, Ashworths, and Wilcoxes they appoint. Hiring Southgate or Potter would just be piss icing on a shit cake, which wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest, of course.