Bit different, he was about to shoot and the whistle went inside a packed Nou Camp and he shot. This is a period where you look at Barca and really wonder now we're seeing all the domestic ref stuff; Ovrebo was 2009, Inter knocked them out in 2010 (which let's not forget also included a soft red for Motta when Busquets did his famous dive and peek through his hands), this happened in 2011 when Arsenal were going through, then the red card killed that and Wenger said Barca should 'congratulate the ref' afterwards. So you have 3 games in 3 years which really defined their legacy as the 'best' ever, and there's not a single year where they didn't get some form of ref help, with Ovrebo and the Arsenal red being outright scandalous.
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Pepe red in Madrid too
Clear red though.
More like orange
Was that the one where he got the ball but studded Alves?
Yeah. Grazed him and he made a meal of it(of course). Red wasn't a mistake but nobody would have complained if he'd been shown a yellow, let's put it that way
Yeah really screams desperation when you're asking for the rules to be applied.
Nah, his whistle blow was clearly to indicate the play resumed, and therefore the ball was in play. The fact he said it was a "schoolboy error" also highlights that the mistake was on Arsenal's side (and therefore that the ball was in play). Also, the fact he qualified it himself as an error by them shows it was, you know, an error. No one's getting anal-retentive-technical (whatever that means), it's just highlighting a massive balls-up by Arsenal that should've been penalised if the rules had been applied, but were let off cos a balls-up by the ref.
I wouldn't be lying at all - I'd be angry at the brain-dead defender (I'm used to it by now, they feck up constantly) but not at the ref.
Yes. But in fact the ball being in play is still at the referee's discretion. So if he didn't give a penalty, it's becaude he decided the ball wasn't in play afterall. Yes, he did it because he didn't want to punish Gabriel for that. It's still not an actual refereeing mistake
The comeback against PSG as well, a blatant penalty plus red card offense by Mascherano conveniently waved play on followed a few minutes later by a Suarez dive.
I forgot about that one, that ref got demoted afterwards
I mean, by his own admission, yeah it was.
That's so weirdly specific, it's actually believable.No. It was a mistake by Gabriel. Different thing
By admitting it was a mistake by Gabriel (i.e. that the ball was indeed in play) and not sanctioning him for it, he's admitting he voluntarily made a mistake.
By acknowledging that Gabriel made a mistake he is admitting that he considered the ball to be in play when Raya kicked it.
Therefore, he has also admitted to his own mistake for not penalising Gabriel, as he instead chose to retroactively consider the ball not to be in play when Raya kicked it.
I don't know why we're supposed to take the words of Bayern's players or coach as gospel. You're arguing semantics over phrasings you don't know much about.
How's it this difficult to understand?! It's like people are saying that we "took the referee literally but not seriously".
Except he can't make a mistake in a situation that is arbitrary and entirely up to his discretion. Like, literally - whatever decision he made there was the correct decision. Why he made it doesn't particularly matter.
I'm making this point since the pro-penalty point appears to be "rules are rules, he should have applied them". He *did*.
The whistle went right as Raya took the goal kick. Because of the timing, it was ambiguous as to what he meant, and he could easily have been whistling to blow play dead to address some off the ball incident (like you'd usually see during a corner) or to come over and book Raya for timewasting.
Giving a penalty for that would be an absolute joke, and I'd like nothing better than for Arsenal to be dumped out of Europe and concentrate on the league.
Giving a penalty for that would be an absolute joke, and I'd like nothing better than for Arsenal to be dumped out of Europe and concentrate on the league.
Personally, I'm of the opinion that we should hold professional footballers to professional standards. That includes not letting them off "kids mistakes".
Similarly, I expect referees to not "arbitrarily" pick and choose when to apply the laws of the game. There was no good reason for him to not consider the ball in play at that moment, other than him arbitrarily choosing not penalise an obvious, and egregious example of handball.
What people are mainly missing here is that it's a missed opportunity as it would have been a forever spoken about penalty highlighting Arsenal's banter potential which is sadly fading with every passing year.
I understand both views, but for me it's a penalty.
My caveat is that I'd hate to see a pen given in that way as its utterly ridiculous and potentially game changing.
However, the rules are the rules and if the ref knows that he's blown to restart play, then he should have given it. I believe he didn't as he probably though it'd cause big problems.
However, the big problem now is that he's opened a can of worms that allows refs to arbitrarily pick and choose when to enforce rules based on their own interpretation.
My caveat is that I'd hate to see a pen given in that way as its utterly ridiculous and potentially game changing.
However, the rules are the rules and if the ref knows that he's blown to restart play, then he should have given it. I believe he didn't as he probably though it'd cause big problems.
However, the big problem now is that he's opened a can of worms that allows refs to arbitrarily pick and choose when to enforce rules based on their own interpretation.
I would prefer to face Barca since PSG scare me more. But that is two steps too advanced. I will never ever root for PSG (PSG vs. City would test me) so I hope that Barca beats them while getting a lot of (minor) injuries and red cards/bans.
Barça are a pretty disgusting club, without even being State funded.
Fingers crossed, dear Gallego!Ah well, there's still the second leg
What are you on about?
Raya was stood by the ball waiting for the whistle as play was stopped for substitutions. It blew, he passed it to Gabriel. It's not like he was mid swing and the whistle happened to blow.
The only joke in this instance was Gabriel.
I'm amazed at how many United fans don't think this was an obvious penalty, given how many are absolute martyrs when we get shafted by refereeing decisions and VAR calls and say they were actually correct. If that was Maguire or Lindelof, I guarantee half of this forum would be lambasting them for being idiots and saying how lucky we were not to have given away a penalty.
Oh, I absolutely agree. That is why I like that they are facing each other. One cnut less .
PSG are winning the CL this year
I mean, those bozos in Munich with 75k fanatics screaming at them in german?!?! Come on, we're guaranteed something
And if it's not arsenal, it's bayern
That is sound rationale, can't disagree!
Yeah they've been way too consistent and serious this year, surely we'll get one banter moment!!I mean, those bozos in Munich with 75k fanatics screaming at them in german?!?! Come on, we're guaranteed something
Refs can't ever give someone a yellow for taking off their shirt after scoring. That's just a silly action impacting none of the game.
I mean, imagine the travesty if a youngster scores a last minute winner against his fierce rivals and gets booked and sent off for this schoolboy error. I know the refs are all about the spirit of the game so they'll never do something so stupid. Just a hypothetical scenario that came to mind.
Kobel gifts them the lead
Anyone but them
Just a kid's mistake to get that carried away.
I get the "spirit of the game" argument, but a line has to be drawn somewhere so that players can't just be monumentally stupid.
This wasn't like that time Di Canio spotted the Everton keeper down injured and caught the ball. Literally nothing is happening on that pitch other than the players waiting for Raya to take the goal kick.
fecking hate that type of playing out from the back that teams are obsessed with these days. Effective, sure, but I just hate everything about that style
Now he did well to keep it at 1-0 only
That was fairly rubbish by Dembele.
Actually is great, but the issue is that they do it ALWAYS, yesterday in the Madrid vs City game, both teams made tons of silly mistakes in the back in a very unnecessary way
PD: good goal by De Paul anyway, he finished it calm and with style
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