Some buzz about a potential move on Twitter. Think he's a superb option but would cost a lot I think. Would be nice to pinch him and Amorim.
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Not anti the signing but as an observation, he played for Coventry two seasons ago and went for 20m. Presumably if we're interested it is all based on one season - as otherwise we would have got him from coventry for a pittance. Firstly, one season would have made rashford look like a world beater, but my main point is that it would be interesting to know how clubs try to strike a balance between signing a player for cheap from a much 'smaller' club, and letting the same player develop at a bigger club in the hope that it reduces the risk of him flopping. So many players move to a big club for huge money, not long after moving from a small to medium club for much less. Haaland is another example, but lots of players in portugal too
*by small, medium, big there, Im not having a go at coventry, sporting etc- just the words used to explain the stages of moves
*by small, medium, big there, Im not having a go at coventry, sporting etc- just the words used to explain the stages of moves
This summer will be the Sumner of Centre forwards transfers ; V Osimhen, I Toney,
D Solanki, B Sesko, V Gyokeres, J Zirkzee and probably few others.
United need to buy the best one for the club to replace Martial, the most suitable one if this guy costs £85m, it’s a no for me as Solanki or Toney can be done for £50-60m and are PL proven.
D Solanki, B Sesko, V Gyokeres, J Zirkzee and probably few others.
United need to buy the best one for the club to replace Martial, the most suitable one if this guy costs £85m, it’s a no for me as Solanki or Toney can be done for £50-60m and are PL proven.
Buying a striker for big money after one good season in the Portuguese league is probably the second daftest thing you can do in the realm of football transfers, just behind buying a striker for big money after one good season in the Bundesliga.
He was absolutely fantastic at Coventry and I wouldn't have minded us signing him off them at all, but the reservation at the time would have been whether he could do it at a higher level. I've not seen much of him this season but by all accounts he's risen to it with aplomb.
I think he'd be an excellent signing. His release clause is apparently £85m, but I expect he'd go for a fair bit less than that. It's usually the homegrown talent or younger players that Portuguese clubs rinse others for.
Having looked it up a little bit... no, I was wrong, this actually might be worse:
- Jackson Martinez scored 20+ every year in Portugal, went to Atletico, did absolutely nothing.
- Jonas went immediately from being a decent, unremarkable 1 in 3 forward in Spain to being a 1 in 1 player in Portugal for five seasons.
- Haris Seferovic had two 20+ goal seasons in Portugal. Couldn't hit a barn door in any other league.
- Darwin Nunez scored a goal a game there in his second season.
- Bas fecking Dost scored 34 goals in 31 games one season.
I work in Coventry and have several Cov supporting friends. The general view seems to be that he was not great for a year or two but got a lot better under Robins'/Viveash's coaching. It seems to be the case with Ellis Simms and Haji Wright this season too. I saw them play earlier in the season and they were both very poor with little to no movement. In recent weeks, they've been great. For 85m, Gyokeres is a massive risk. I'd rather us get Mark Robins as our striker coach and see if he can weave his magic with Hojlund, Wheatley etc. 
Not a chance for the money needed to get him.
Finally, the next Ricky van Wolfswinkel.
We should avoid him, the manager on the other hand...
Liverpool bound if they confirm Amorim I think.
His agent gave an interview last week saying they rejected about eight prem teams last summer (think Chelsea were mentioned) and he specifically wanted him to sign for Sporting to work under Amorim.
His agent gave an interview last week saying they rejected about eight prem teams last summer (think Chelsea were mentioned) and he specifically wanted him to sign for Sporting to work under Amorim.
The new Bas Dost
I'm done spending huge on strikers from inferior leagues. When was the last time we got a good one ?
SAF knew what he was doing . Go for PL proven strikers . Watkins, Toney, Solanke or even someone from Championship.
SAF knew what he was doing . Go for PL proven strikers . Watkins, Toney, Solanke or even someone from Championship.
To be fair he was from the Championship....
We can't spend silly money on a striker. We should be smart on this and buy someone whose good but concurrently wouldn't cost us an arm and a leg. I am thinking of people like Guirassy, Jonathan David or Pavlidis
I think we should sign Sesko personally
if we end up with Gyokeres and Neves as our only signings, while ignoring all other problems, INEOS is not different than Woodward. Fortunately I don't think they are this incompetent. Gyokeres sounds like gossip talk only.
As long that he's in the 30m-40m mark then I don't mind signing him. We need a decent cover/competitor for Hojlund but United's real issues lie elsewhere. The defense is a shambles with too many injury prone players in it, our flank men are simply not producing the goods (assist/workrate/goals) and our CM is ridiculously unbalanced. Casemiro's and Eriksen's legs are gone, Mount and Bruno are no 10s, Mainoo is good but he needs support around him and McT is basically a big guy with an eye for goal. There's a huge rebuild at the doors and we can't spend too much on a striker
Agree, although I happen to think CF is one of the important positions and would only agree with this thinking if we believe Hojlund is the real deal. I'm on the fence there so Sesko with a 43m release clause makes sense to me
43m is hardly a deal breaker tbh. It's just 3m above the budget I would set
We need to be spending a lot of money on centre midfield and centre back before our semi back up positions like LB and striker are considered. I can’t see this one happening.
We won’t sign this guy. Doubt anyone will for the money they want for a 26 year old whose two biggest seasons are one in the Championship and one in Portugal.
We should have taken a punt on him last summer.
The name is too difficult, no thanks. Imagine how G. Neville will pronounce it! Guy-Kerres? Guh-kres? Cuckoo's Nest?
We don't know what money they want. All that's been reported is the release clause and they know full well they aren't getting that. It's not a bad deal for them to spend £20m on him and flip him for upwards of double their money in a year. This isn't a player they've invested anything in developing.
Zirkzee is an interesting alt. Guy is a unit and has good link up play.
He would not be bullied by every cb out there.
He would not be bullied by every cb out there.
He has more to this game than Hojlund has. Very good runner with the ball, strong, good finisher, and more experienced. But even then he's not a sure thing, the leap to the PL is quite big.
I've said it before but if we're spending 70m on Hojlund, we should've just gone up to 100m or whatever for Osimhen. Why fanny about when you can get guaranteed quality? Even Lautaro would be a more sure bet.
I've said it before but if we're spending 70m on Hojlund, we should've just gone up to 100m or whatever for Osimhen. Why fanny about when you can get guaranteed quality? Even Lautaro would be a more sure bet.
Not sure. I’d rather buy a more proven striker.
Osimhen wouldn’t have fared better in this years iteration of United. Martinez would have been a potential disaster IMO. United have paid I believe £64m for a 20 year old due to potential, not current efficiency. The (faulty) premise was that Antony Martial and Marcus Rashford were adequate options for a young player to develop alongside, and it’s a more sound inveatment mid- to long term than using similar or more money on a player that will have little resale value in two or three years time.
I think you should maybe look back to were Gyökeres were in his development when he was 20/21 for evaluong the relative potential better.
The Portuguese media has been bullish it will be nothing less than his release clause.
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Even if it isn’t, there’s no way they’re selling for 40m. That’s nothing these days!
I've kind of learnt to pay little mind to anything reported in the Portuguese media.
But you are right, it wouldn't be £40m. I'd speculate like £60m, which would probably be on the high side. I would call it an open question as to whether or not he'd be worth that amount, but Sporting do have the scarcity of the market on their side.
After what Nunez, Hojlund and Ramos have gone for recently, he is going for more than 60m
I'm not too sure. All of them were in their very early twenties, while Gyokeres will be 26. Maybe I am underestimating the market and we'll see even more inflation, but usually in these cases players leave for less than their release clause, particularly if the player wants to leave.
I think Sporting play ball a little fairer than Benfica, but I still think it'll be a chunky fee.
Surely the Championship is by its nature an inferior league.
Gyokores was literally a star in the championship before starring in portugal
I personally see no good reason to sign him. We don't need another cf who will cost a fortune. Especially when they are not guaranteed quality and are mere potential
If we’re spending that sort of money in Portugal it has to be Neves. We’ve played our hand in signing Hojlund for the price we did, and because of the outlay, it would make little sense to spend huge money on a centre forward, unless we plan to sell Hojlund. Tbh I’m also conflicted as to the age profile we should be targeting. A lot of upside in Zirkzee, Sesko with their prices fixed reasonably, but they all need to play a lot to develop just like Hojlund. I said similar when we found ourselves targeting Sancho to add to Greenwood and Amad to compete for our RW spot, with all being under 21.
Sporting appear to be the poorest of the top 3 Portuguese teams and have to sell each year to balance the books. Maybe champions league money gives them some breathing space but without selling another player or two he represents their best chance of satisfying the requirements of their business model