The Three Body Problem: Rashford, Antony and Sancho

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What do we do with these three balls of gas ?

I think Rashford and Sancho have to be sold this summer. Their situations are too toxic and they are not worth the wages or the headache to the new manager.

I think we keep Antony. He can follow instructions and works hard. Wingers are notoriously streaky so maybe he has a good period and we sell him when his value is higher.

If we play a game Keep, Sell, Bench what's the caf going with?
 

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Sell all three if we can get actually decent offers and clubs to match their salaries.

Which probably means all three will still be here, with Sancho probably out on loan again.
 

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I'm happy to see Antoby get another season unless somebody comes in with a good offer for him.

Sancho, obviously no chance he should ever be allowed back into Carrington.

Rashford I'd like to see sold but who on earth would buy him and pay his massive wages? We're stuck with him for the foreseeable.
 

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I’d sell all three.

If push to shove, Sancho would be the first out the door. Rashford gives goals (sometimes) and Antony gives work rate (but nothing in attack) so if we keep any of them it should be only for a year.

Rashford and Sancho are on huge wages so getting rid of them would help more in the longer run. Antony as crap as he is, I’m pretty sure he’s not on 300K a week.

Ideally we need two new wingers plus Garnacho.
 

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I'd really struggle with "Keep, Sell, Bench" because I would like "Sell. Sell. Sell."

Unfortunately, I don't think there's a chance in hell that Rashford will be sold. We'll probably be stuck with Antony stinking out the squad. Sancho will be loaned or sold.
 

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They will all be here next season, no one will pay them anything like what we do and I can`t see them moving for less money. No doubt we will have a new manager and they will be given a fresh start.
 

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Rashford is unsellable. The club wont sell a youth product who is pushed to be the star for a low fee. His wages are way too high for any other club than those club that could afford the fee that the club would consider selling him for. He is too expensive for lower rated clubs but also not the right money/quality balance for good clubs.

ETH isnt dropping Rashford, a new manager also wont drop Rashford. Every new manager will think that they can make Rashford work again. He has the base qualities to be good and he already shown he can be good. For all the hate Rashford is receiving on this forum, he will be a Manchester United player atleast the next 3 seasons.

Based on his qualities as a football player, I would have liked for Sancho to get another chance from a different manager. However, his comments at a manager and his lack of professionalism makes him the first one i would sell out of these three players. Something like 40m shouldnt be impossible, maybe a sell on fee because i do think Sancho will be able to revive his career somewhere else again.

Antony keeps the ball and works hard. He doesnt score or assist though. Obviously we did pay way too much for him but i dont mind him around the squad. If he came for free or from the academy people would have less issues with him. The money is gone anyway and selling him would cause a massive loss. I dont think we get much for him anyway. Just endure keeping him unless a good offer comes in.
 

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2,3 & 4 years remaining on their contracts. Unless the Saudi's come calling, we are likely to witness Sancho and Antony play for other clubs while we foot a large chunk of their wage bill. Then they'll leave on a free.

Rashford usually does well in the first season under a new manager. So we might get a 20-25 goal season for him if INEOS replaces ETH and gets someone new. Otherwise, PSG is the best case scenario; however, I think those links were his agent generated to get him a bumper contract rather any concrete interest from PSG.
 

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Stadjer said:
Rashford is unsellable. The club wont sell a youth product who is pushed to be the star for a low fee. His wages are way too high for any other club than those club that could afford the fee that the club would consider selling him for. He is too expensive for lower rated clubs but also not the right money/quality balance for good clubs.

ETH isnt dropping Rashford, a new manager also wont drop Rashford. Every new manager will think that they can make Rashford work again. He has the base qualities to be good and he already shown he can be good. For all the hate Rashford is receiving on this forum, he will be a Manchester United player atleast the next 3 seasons.

Based on his qualities as a football player, I would have liked for Sancho to get another chance from a different manager. However, his comments at a manager and his lack of professionalism makes him the first one i would sell out of these three players. Something like 40m shouldnt be impossible, maybe a sell on fee because i do think Sancho will be able to revive his career somewhere else again.

Antony keeps the ball and works hard. He doesnt score or assist though. Obviously we did pay way too much for him but i dont mind him around the squad. If he came for free or from the academy people would have less issues with him. The money is gone anyway and selling him would cause a massive loss. I dont think we get much for him anyway. Just endure keeping him unless a good offer comes in.
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I agree with your last two paragraphs but those first two make for some grim reading.

Rashford staying or leaving could be the marker of whether we have really put football first. I do think he won't be sold easily. It'll be like Maguire last year.
 

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I fecking hate Antony to be honest, he's got to go as soon as possible. It's unlikely, but he should leave. Sancho should leave as well, regardless of ten hag staying. That's rotten attitude.

Rashford is a different case. He has it in him to be a top player in the right situation, when he's happy, when the club isn't a mess. But he's not the type to be the leader at all or drag us out of a mess. He shouldn't be the main man, but I always think it's good to have 3 quality wingers to mainly rotate and have 1 more deeper fringe winger. I'm happy enough having Garnacho and Rashford be 2 of the main guys and Amad be the depth guy, but we need another main winger to be competing with them. With Rashford also though, I genuinely think he would do better for himself if he left and be able to play with more mental freedom.

The rest of them can feck off. Shit characters, players, wrong profiles, whatever the case.
 

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I hope all 3 leave in the summer, I predict none of them do though (no one will want to pay big money for Rashford, no one will want to pay Sancho's wages, no one will want Antony).
 

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Can we play “sell, give away, leave in a cardboard box outside a fire station”?

Rashford needs to go as not good enough and poor attitude which has to be stopped permeating through newer/youth players. Hopefully dropping fee to something like £30m will entice a club who can then structure something for Rashford wages.

Sancho, the same. Awful attitude and a repeat offender. I don’t care how many 90 second highlight videos his fanboys create to suggest he’s killing it at Dortmund, he’s not.

Entire senior management structure needs to embed a top attitude on and off pitch. Antony MIGHT fit that, the others never will
 

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After seeing Ten Hag's clear favoritism i actually believe Sancho about that now.

Id say keep all 3 & bring Greenwood back.

See if Hojlund is good enough to be a tap in merchant like Klose or Ruud - if yes then we can build the team to get the best out of him and sell them all.

If he isn't hitting the goals - then id rather get a deep lying creative forward to replace Martial for example Zirkzee & play him centrally to get the best out of our inverted forwards like Garnacho, Rashford, Antony, Amad, Greenwood & Sancho.

I'd say that if all our players return from loan then instantly our inverted forwards becomes our strongest area of the squad.

I think Ten Hag has been too rubbish as a manager with such obvious mistakes and problems tactically and mentally to not give these players a clean slate under new manager.

Id rather Ineos start a new project from the summer rather than trying to fix the things that Ten Hag got wrong by looking at this season too deeply.

The manager hasn't been good enough even on an average level to blame the players for our poor form all season out.

Doubt anyone would agree though but that's how i feel.
 

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Still think in the right set up sancho and rashford have something to offer a ucl side, not so much Antony
 

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QuietOn Fortune said:
After seeing Ten Hag's clear favoritism i actually believe Sancho about that now.

Id say keep all 3 & bring Greenwood back.

See if Hojlund is good enough to be a tap in merchant like Klose or Ruud - if yes then we can build the team to get the best out of him and sell them all.

If he isn't hitting the goals - then id rather get a deep lying creative forward to replace Martial for example Zirkzee & play him centrally to get the best out of our inverted forwards like Garnacho, Rashford, Antony, Amad, Greenwood & Sancho.

I'd say that if all our players return from loan then instantly our inverted forwards becomes our strongest area of the squad.

I think Ten Hag has been too rubbish as a manager with such obvious mistakes and problems tactically and mentally to not give these players a clean slate under new manager.

Id rather Ineos start a new project from the summer rather than trying to fix the things that Ten Hag got wrong by looking at this season too deeply.

The manager hasn't been good enough even on an average level to blame the players for our poor form all season out.

Doubt anyone would agree though but that's how i feel.
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Yes, give them a new manager to sack in 18 months
 

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Putting Rashford in with these two is genuinely insane.

He's clearly not on form at the minute (is anyone) but let's not go crazy.

 

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The decision on the manager comes first. If ETH is to be shoved off the plane without a parachute the new manager might take a fancy to Sancho.

Rashford clearly has no use for United any longer and hopefully PSG are still interested.

Antony could be decent cover for Garnacho or Amad.
 

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Casemiro right up there as well. Need him off the wage bill asap.

Hopefully Rashford finally gets his big PSG move
 

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MancunianAngels said:
Putting Rashford in with these two is genuinely insane.

He's clearly not on form at the minute (is anyone) but let's not go crazy.

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Defending him at this point feels much more close to crazy.

Shite for ages, hit form for a few months when he fancied a massive contract, got paid and then went immediately back to shite form. Time for both sides to move on
 

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Are all our attacking players rubbish or is it a ten hag issue or a academy/recruitment issue because none of our attackers have shined that well under him aside from rashford last season and garnacho to a degree who ironically seems to be getting some harsh treatment from ten hag.
 

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With a new management in this summer I'd like to give all three a fair chance to earn their places in the squad.
ETH has done a crap job with all of them here (especially Sancho).
We know Sancho and Rashford has a sky high ceiling while Antony hopefully has better potential than he's shown here so far. Worth finding out with a different coach.
A new management must focus on a common culture, identity and mindset (all coachable). Players not on board 6 months in -> sell.
 

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troylocker said:
With a new management in this summer I'd like to give all three a fair chance to earn their places in the squad.
ETH has done a crap job with all of them here (especially Sancho).
We know Sancho and Rashford has a sky high ceiling while Antony hopefully has better potential than he's shown here so far. Worth finding out with a different coach.
A new management must focus on a common culture, identity and mindset (all coachable). Players not on board 6 months in -> sell.
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I don't doubt their talent as much but there needs to be a standard when it comes to professionalism and Rashford and Sancho have failed there imo.
 

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I would love to sell all three of them and buy Olise and Mitoma . Amad/Olise and Mitoma/Garnacho would be a massive upgrade.
 

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Desert Eagle said:
I don't doubt their talent as much but there needs to be a standard when it comes to professionalism and Rashford and Sancho have failed there imo.
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We do not disagree, but I think their lacks in attitudes/professionalism can be managed and handled infinitely better than the current management has.
We have invested 85M in Sancho and 95M in Antony and have another underperforming player with extreme qualities in transition play. I'd do a lot more to protect these investments and assets than it seem the ETH management has doen and I would put in place an apparatus around them securing that their heads are at the right place and not leave it to coincidence or the players themselves to make sure we max out their potential. Generation "social media" needs a lot more help/guidance than previous generations to keep their heads down and at the right place.
It's quite obvious that ETH and the current management are not very good at this.
 

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I'm sure Rashford and Sancho are incredible professionals, at least in their minds. But regardless of what you do or don't do in training - if you show so little effort during games then you're not a good professional. They can sulk as much as they want and feel like victims. I'm sure their entourage feeds their egos constantly. United as a club though has to start making examples of people that don't even show the basics on the pitch - like work rate. That has to be the minimum requirement at this club.

When you sign for United you have to know that you'll be working extra hard from now on. Most of our players treat the club like a resort or a retirement home.
 

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Rashford is fine as an attacking rotation option. Pool have Jota, Gakpo, Diaz, Salah, Nunez. City have Grealish, Foden, Bilva, Doku, Alvarez, Haaland. Having 5-6 attackers that have different profiles is good and his skillset in particular is important to have in the squad.

Just don't think we should view him as an automatic starter every game despite the wages. If we sell him for the books (to book FFP profit or something) then that's fine by me.
 

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Ideally, sell Rashford and Sancho to PSG and Dortmund respectively. Good players on their day but I think their exits are mutually beneficial for the United, the players, and the other clubs. United have something to gain with FFP, PSG can afford the wages and will need to reload on forwards, Rashford could perform well in Ligue 1. Sancho seems to enjoy Dortmund and they get a player suitable to their needs. United can rid themselves the burden of his wages for no return.

With Antony it depends on the style and manager after ETH. Possession style probably suits him better, but should not be starting. Otherwise, loan out to a club that has that style and hope he finds form to help earn a bigger transfer fee for us to recuperate.
 

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MancunianAngels said:
Putting Rashford in with these two is genuinely insane.

He's clearly not on form at the minute (is anyone) but let's not go crazy.

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Top goal scorer this season, how many games has he played compared to the other attacking players?
 

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Top goal scorer this season, how many games has he played compared to the other attacking players?
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In all comps:

Bruno 23 G+A (3865 minutes)
Hojlund 15 G+A (2711 minutes)
Rashford 13 G+A (2961 minutes)
Garnacho 13 G+A (2951 minutes)
McTom 13 G+A (2362 minutes)
Antony 4 G+A (1684 minutes)

They've been pretty similar in output, except Antony.....
 

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Desert Eagle said:
What do we do with these three balls of gas ?

I think Rashford and Sancho have to be sold this summer. Their situations are too toxic and they are not worth the wages or the headache to the new manager.

I think we keep Antony. He can follow instructions and works hard. Wingers are notoriously streaky so maybe he has a good period and we sell him when his value is higher.

If we play a game Keep, Sell, Bench what's the caf going with?
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Basically agree with you. Antony has potential as a squad player and is younger, so may improve. Wouldn’t miss him in the unlikely event we could find a buyer, mind you.

Also. Props for the thread title.
 

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In all comps:

Bruno 23 G+A (3865 minutes)
Hojlund 15 G+A (2711 minutes)
Rashford 13 G+A (2961 minutes)
Garnacho 13 G+A (2951 minutes)
McTom 13 G+A (2362 minutes)
Antony 4 G+A (1684 minutes)

They've been pretty similar in output, except Antony.....
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Makes sense.
 
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