Forgot all about him. That was the one I was thinking of.
New Jose Interview with Telegraph
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Wasn't Mkhitaryan ostracized at some stage? they didn't speak to each other or something to that effect?
He's no doubt talking about Martial and Shaw being unprofessional under him but wonder if he counts Rashford in that category? You'd think not as Rashford back then was actually trying and was still young player with big potential.
I think there's a little bit of saying what suits yourself here too. This is a Perisic quote:
“It was an amazing thing for me when Jose called me. It was difficult to say no to him. In fact, I really, really wanted to join him and play for United. It was a dream of mine to play in all the big leagues. But it didn’t happen. It was painful for me. But I don’t want to go into the details. I only found out myself the real reasons two years later.”
I've no great love for mourinho, and tire of his revisionism, but my point is simple. He wanted rid of shaw and martial in particular, and wanted to replace them with willian and perisic. Now you say hindsight says we should have sold them, but Mourinho would turn around, in this case, and say, No, foresight said we should have sold them. He was right, and now he's looking from 7 years on and they're still there. It's completely reasonable to point at that as a problem in the club- certain players staying, and when he was manager, not being allowed to get rid of them.
I still feel like you're overstating the issue here. In this case, he is correct in what he is saying. It doesnt mean he isnt wrong about lots of other things
Probably sounds mad but I’d have him as an interim until after the final.
Mourinho from 10 years ago would not be counting Community Shield as a trophy.
Foresight
Shaw and Martial are fecked injury wise, neither of them can cope with the physical levels required, that wasn’t the case when Mourinho wanted them out and it’s obvious that both are quality players, which they have shown over time since Mourinho got sacked. And no, it’s in no way reasonable. Again, Mourinho was fully backed until he started to completely lose the plot, which coincides with him wanting to get rid of said players. Managers in downward spirals rarely get their wishes forfilled, especially not related to young players, add his history with young players at Chelsea and it’s hardly a shock that the club didn’t go out of it’s way to get rid of the same players that were an integral part of qualifying for the CL and finishing second under Ole.
Which isn't bettering it, its matching it....
You seem to just want to keep arguing for the sake of it. Can i suggest taking a night off and then read through our exchange when you're not so wound up about mourinho. We're living in a parallel universe if you think shaws fitness and physique wasn't a potential problem by the time mourinho first season ended. He played about 32 games in 3.5 years, at a key development stage and his weight was a meme. You're just bending over backwards to argue against some point I'm not even making.Foresight
And no, it’s in no way reasonable. Again, Mourinho was fully backed until he started to completely lose the plot, which coincides with him wanting to get rid of said players. Managers in downward spirals rarely get their wishes forfilled, especially not related to young players, add his history with young players at Chelsea and it’s hardly a shock that the club didn’t go out of it’s way to get rid of the same players that were an integral part of qualifying for the CL and finishing second under Ole.
Mourinho's problem isn't tactics. It's outdated training methods, lack of trust in new sports science and technology(or more accurately, he puts more trust in his guts than what the data says about a player's fitness) and a style of man management that doesn't work with the new generations. Roma loved him, the players were all still very much on his side, and his third season was still a disaster, because there only so many times players can take being called shite by the manager before they lose all confidence
Literally all De Rossi did to change their fortunes, by his own admission, was treat them with basic decency, tell them they were great players and show them respect and confidence in them
Literally all De Rossi did to change their fortunes, by his own admission, was treat them with basic decency, tell them they were great players and show them respect and confidence in them
Yeah his style of managing players seems to be good motivator for a while but it breaks apart after (usually) 2 seasons. And as you say with new generations it often doesn't work even that long.
Thank you. You’re about the 8th person to point that out. You all know what I mean
Aaaah memes, the universal truthsayer. Shaw had just returned from a horrible leg break, he literally made his comeback after Mourinho had taken over. He was what, 21 at the time? It's hardly new that you're likely to struggle with niggling injuries and setbacks after returning from a leg break, not to mention the mental side of it. He played 40 matches in the first full season after Mourinho got sacked, 33 the following season, 47 the season after
I mean..this happened 8 years ago so maybe he would?
Or perhaps you don't know what they mean...
It's deliberately misleading and if you argue against it i think you're just doing it for the sake of it, or to prove a point.
Im a huge luke shaw fan. If you're pretending that there wasn't serious doubts about his weight and fitness for a long time you have your own reasons to do. I find it weird, but you do you. Ive made a simple point and you've got very worked up arguing something else. Im done now
How is it misleading? It's true.
It's true yes. But you could easily write 'From Jose Mourinho to Erik Ten Hag, nobody has bettered Ole Gunnar Solskjaer's 2nd place finish' too.
It's just a shit way to write it when someone else has matched it. And unnecessary, because Mourinho is by far our most successful manager in the post-Ferguson era. They could have done better.
You could. Would be weird since it is about Mourinho. I think it is a completely fair way to write it. Using the phrase "hasn't been bettered" implies that it has been matched, so in my mind it conveys the situation quite well. Say that Oles highest league finish had been third, I would think they'd use "hasn't been matched" instead as it would reflect better on Jose.
But English isn't my first language, so I might not catch all nuances tbf.
I'm still holding out hope that he can somehow have one last CL run as a big F you to all of his detractors. Things have become too boring these days.
Who wins: More-inho or Pogback?
If other people are fine with the wording then fine by me. I also didn't mean to make a big point of it, just a lot of people keep replying to my original message.
Mourinho's won more trophies in one season here than all the other managers have won combined in the entire post-Fergie period. So personally I'd have put something like that. And it's much more impressive. But to each their own.
I agree, that would've been a much better quote. I also agree that a few too many picked up on your original message, and I didn't mean to add to it. For me it's hard to stay away from language discussions, I am a linguist by trade and bored at work. I'll stop pestering you!
he's washed as a manager. He'd be a decent director of football though. He can identify talent and knows when to extend a contract and when to get rid.
Really no trouble. I think we're pretty much on the same page anyway overall
Yes but did he make a big deal out of it back then? I remember he dedicated it to van Gaal as him winning the Fa Cup enabled us to play Community Shield vs Leicester City. Not sure he called it a title back then as he does now in interviews.
Maybe different tactics work for league and knockout competitions. Cos the new football crap seem to win leagues more often
No, he won the same amount, two. Or three if we’re counting Community Shields.
And Ole got the same effect from the same method when he was interim. I agree with all of this, but I also consider his tactics a problem - or rather, his style of play, or better still his whole basic approach to football. I don't want success on his terms, any more than I want to get rich by robbing people - it's just not worth it.