reddevil702
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Playing with two CDMs and we've also only scored 5 goals during this run so that tells you what our tactics have been.
According to Amazon Prime Video Sport, Shaw created the 3rd most chances in Europe across the top five leagues. Based on the PL's official stats he created 7 big chances and only Fernandes created more (17). So I don't think he prioritise defence first and foremost.Currently, yes
Credit to Maguire and Lindelof and also to Ole. And maybe Henderson too.
But we also shouldn't forget that this is the flip side of having FBs like Shaw and even more so AWB, who prioritise defence first and foremost. Every time someone is moaning that they don't create enough and why can't we buy the latest flavour of the month glorified wingback, the flip side is that defensively-sound fullbacks are very rare these days and they allow you to put solid defensive performances like this together even if you don't dominate possession with your midfield.
you might want to go look up what a CDM is, we dont have a single player at the club who is a CDM, both play CM completely different positions, we have also missed some sitters in these games as well.Playing with two CDMs and we've also only scored 5 goals during this run so that tells you what our tactics have been.
I think he does. If you look at his starting position, it is almost always much deeper than lots of the more attack-centric FBs out there. I think he's literally just that good. At the moment, he's amongst a very small number of FBs in the world who are world class at both aspects at the same time.According to Amazon Prime Video Sport, Shaw created the 3rd most chances in Europe across the top five leagues. Based on the PL's official stats he created 7 big chances and only Fernandes created more (17). So I don't think he prioritise defence first and foremost.
I am also not so sure about where AWB's priorities are. He is always up and down on the flank, he is just not that good attacking-wise yet.
Thank you for your suggestion. I have compared Shaw's and Robertson's heat maps on sofascore.com (I don't know if it's a reliable site or not) and it's not much different. I was a bit surprised, because I agree with you that he starts deeper, but I think it's part of our tactic. Shaw is very good at keeping and passing the ball and can go on marauding runs. Honestly it's a good question, because he is so good at both aspects as you say.I think he does. If you look at his starting position, it is almost always much deeper than lots of the more attack-centric FBs out there. I think he's literally just that good. At the moment, he's amongst a very small number of FBs in the world who are world class at both aspects at the same time.
I agree about AWB for what it's worth. But you have to grant his obvious strength is defending.
Yuh for sure. I’ve always been wary of criticising him for that reason. This is only his third ever year as a premier league footballer. Still lots of room and time to improve.Absolutely agreed. But we should see that as a good thing. He can improve that side of his game in the way that a defensively-limited player rarely can. We've already seen a big improvement this season, and he's at an age where there's surely more to come too.
Absolutely rubbish but come to expect it on here.Wait until 30 matches. I don't trust Maguire and Lindelof at all. They're not Man United quality. Lets see if they prove me wrong.
So you're telling me Fred and Mctominay don't play as CDM?you might want to go look up what a CDM is, we dont have a single player at the club who is a CDM, both play CM completely different positions, we have also missed some sitters in these games as well.
no they dont, go watch sergio bosquets play, he plays CDM and you will see the differenceSo you're telling me Fred and Mctominay don't play as CDM?
Which of our other fit centre mids would you have started ? Paul pogba ?Playing with two CDMs and we've also only scored 5 goals during this run so that tells you what our tactics have been.
It is better than what is happening to arsenal spurs and happened to Chelsea and city first half of the season. Tuchel and ole are getting results in the business end of an ugly season. Fair play to pep for being the only club in England to have found genuine form, the depth of the squad helps majorly. Amazing that Ake cost more than Donny, started less than half the games and we haven't heard a thing. Still he should take credit should pepWe have turned into Tuchel’s Chelsea. Solid at the back at the expense of creativity. At least we have the excuse that our creative players are / were injured.
Hopefully with everyone back after the international break we can stay solid but be more attacking at the same time.
Recently Ole hasn't had options due to injuries but there's plenty of games before where we've used two defensive mids and it wasn't needed. IMO it makes sense in big games like City but not midtable teams that will sit deep.Which of our other fit centre mids would you have started ? Paul pogba ?
Not sure what you mean. Fred and Mctom play in a double pivot. The majority of the game they're behind the ball and close to the center of the pitch. What exactly about their play makes you think they're not there as CDMs?no they dont, go watch sergio bosquets play, he plays CDM and you will see the difference
I think we should keep the stability the same, our recent lack of goals has definitely been due to our injuries. Cavani, Martial, Pogba, DVB have all been out and Rashford doesn’t even look like a footballer due to his injury issues. On top of that we don’t even have a right winger!Solid-Ish.
Keeper has helped for sure and missing some attacking options makes us even happier to sit back in formation and make it more difficult to pass through our lines. Its certainly a positive run by the numbers defensively but we've also clearly lost a spark going forward in that time too with just 5 goals in our last 7 games in a season where we were scoring a lot of goals.
I'd say we've shifted the balance, we're even more reserved going forward and thats made us tougher defensively but we're relying on 1 goal, sometimes a scrappy or lucky one, to try and get a result
The challenge will be to get back to being a high scoring team whilst having a solid defensive record
Okay but most of them werent scoring many anyway. Rashford the odd man out, without a doubt we'd be scoring more if he was fully fitI think we should keep the stability the same, our recent lack of goals has definitely been due to our injuries. Cavani, Martial, Pogba, DVB have all been out and Rashford doesn’t even look like a footballer due to his injury issues. On top of that we don’t even have a right winger!
We have also been hit with a lot of injuries up in our attack. Cavani out, Martial out (and out of form), Rashford playing injured and Pogba just coming back...Has it come at a cost of scoring goals? Scored 9 by my count in those games, 4 in one game v Sociedad. Have to strive to find the balance.
If you look at it in a simple manner. But it's not like we've been sitting back. We had more chances than city did in our game against them. Against West ham we could have easily scored 4. We should have scored 3 vs milan in the first leg. Don't assume that just because we haven't scored much that we have been parking the bus...Playing with two CDMs and we've also only scored 5 goals during this run so that tells you what our tactics have been.
I just think he lacks confidence. He gets up and down the flank well but he often just cycles the ball back rather than cross it...According to Amazon Prime Video Sport, Shaw created the 3rd most chances in Europe across the top five leagues. Based on the PL's official stats he created 7 big chances and only Fernandes created more (17). So I don't think he prioritise defence first and foremost.
I am also not so sure about where AWB's priorities are. He is always up and down on the flank, he is just not that good attacking-wise yet.
they play in the same way Scholes and Keane played, obviously not as good, no one in there right mind would call keane or scholes CDM, like i said go watch bosquets, a CDM sits in a front of the defence and wont move, mctomminay and fred get all over the pitch, even seeing the positions Fred gets in to constantly at the edge of the box is nothing like a CDM, there both box to box midfielders, positive it was the city game we were 2-0 up with 10 mins to go and Fred was in there box trying to get on the end of a cross.Recently Ole hasn't had options due to injuries but there's plenty of games before where we've used two defensive mids and it wasn't needed. IMO it makes sense in big games like City but not midtable teams that will sit deep.
Not sure what you mean. Fred and Mctom play in a double pivot. The majority of the game they're behind the ball and close to the center of the pitch. What exactly about their play makes you think they're not there as CDMs?
Deano is superior to DDG in his current form. I wouldn't be surprised if when DDG gets back from Spain if he becomes #2.Deano. Soon on top
They don't.So you're telling me Fred and Mctominay don't play as CDM?
If you changed the starting eleven in every match, that would be bad for the team chemistry. McTominay and Fred couldn't be at their best if they are not playing regularly.Recently Ole hasn't had options due to injuries but there's plenty of games before where we've used two defensive mids and it wasn't needed. IMO it makes sense in big games like City but not midtable teams that will sit deep.
They are close to center of the pitch because we are playing quick counter attack and didn't have so much ball possession. Bruno always makes a gamble with a quick release in front, there's no time for them to penetrate in front of the ball like Scholsy did. They do what every CMs should do, marking the midfield area.Fred and Mctom play in a double pivot. The majority of the game they're behind the ball and close to the center of the pitch. What exactly about their play makes you think they're not there as CDMs?