70s Fantasy Draft - kps88 v Crustanoid

Who will win based on players in their prime, team tactics, balance & bench strength?


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80s Fantasy Draft - kps88 v Crustanoid

Important note: For the purpose of this competition, these players are considered at the level when they were in their prime.

Team kps88

Overall approach

It's a fluid 4-2-3-1, but in reality the front 4 are going to take turns in pummelling the opposition defence, each in different ways. Camoranesi's pin-point crossing will pick out Ruud (I seem to remember Ruud doing pretty well with another expert crosser in the past). Ruud himself will be the furthest forward, with Raul playing off him, and Del Pierro given license to roam and make a front 3 when attacking.

The midfield two are extremely competent. Emerson will play as the destroyer, with Albertini's finesse and passing ability making him a deep-lying playmaker who will control the attacks, just like a latter day Scholes.

The four defenders are all competent and solid. Simic and Iuliano both had long periods as stable and dependable defenders for Milan and Juve respectably, whilst Arce is a free kick specialist and equally adept at defending. Sergi, Barcelona's Denis Irwin will also provide a good balance at defending and providing width going forward to free up Del Piero so the Italian maestro can go roaming to cause misery for the opposition defence.

Given the abilities of the front players primarily this lineup is fluid enough to switch from 4-2-3-1



to 4-3-1-2



depending on the conditions of the game.

Individual biographies and player descriptions

Christian Abbiati Goalkeeper

He's been around longer than you think, making the Italian squad in 2000 and 2002 and has now made over 200 appearances for Milan, following spells on loan at Juve, Atletico and Torino. Dependable and solid.

Francisco Arce Right back

61 caps for Paraguay, tough in the tackle and prolific in the free kick department. Played primarily in South American leagues, amassing a raft of honours

Sergi Left back

Barcelona's Denis Irwin. Over 3090 apps in the 90s and rarely let them down. Part of their youth academy, so has all the attributes you'd expect: technically strong, brilliant passing, intelligent etc. Also has an impressive medal collection, having been part of their successful 90s team

Dario Simic Centre back

Croatia and Milan centre back. schooled in the Dinamo Zagreb production line which produced Prosinecki, Juric and Maric, went on to play for both Milan clubs and Monaco and earned 100 caps for Croatia

Mark Iuliano Centre back

Yet another strong Italian central defender, following Ferrara, Cannavaro, Montero et al by making over 200 appearances in the heart of Juves defence. Powerful and technically adept, Iuliano made 19 appearances for Italy even though the likes of Nesta, Cannavaro, Maldini and Ferrara were at their peaks.

Emerson Defensive midfielder

Brazil's captain around the turn of the century, 73 caps. An outstanding defensive midfielder at his peak. Strong tackler and excellent passer. Won leagues in Brazil with Gremio, Italy with Juve and Roma and Spain with Real, as well as a load of cups as well at national and continental level

Demetrio Albertini Central midfielder

Classy midfielder and an integral part of the awesome Milan team who won 5 Serie As and 3 Champions League titles. 79 caps for Italy, more than 300 appearances for Milan and over 100 more at the top level with other clubs. Brilliant vision, passing and shooting ability. One of the very best of his ilk.

Mauro Camoranesi Right sided attacking midfielder / central midfielder

Veratile winger cum midfielder, extremely effective on the right flank with brilliant dribbling and crossing skills. 55 caps for Italy and a long spell amassing nearly 300 apps and a raft of trophies for Juve .

Alessandro Del Piero Left sided attacking midfielder / forward

One of the very best of his generation, Del Piero is an immensely talented attacker, equally reliable to provide goals, assists and general attacking trickery. All time top scorer at Juve, and still ammassing appearances, goals and trophies. Can play as trequartista, up front and drifting from the left.

Raul Central attacking midfielder / striker

It's not an exaggeration to say that Raul was considered as one of the 2-3 best players in the world in the early 2000s. Real Madrid icon, a striker, but so much more than that, being equally as effective as a more withdrawn player. Goals, brilliance and success surround him - a massively influential player to those around him. He is the all-time leading scorer in the Champions league. 558 apps for Madrid and 228 goals, 102 caps for Spain and 44 goals

Ruud Van Nistelrooy Striker

One of the deadliest front men ever, Ruud will score goals, anytime, anywhere, with any team. Raul and Van Nistelrooy with Del Piero playing off them is pretty much as perfect a front line as you can get. 345 goals in 577 appearances at club level. That is more than 1 in 2. His international record is similar (35 in 70). Legend

Marco Delvecchio Left sided or central midfielder / Striker

If the attacking threat of the previous 3 players is not enough, there is more firepower on the bench. An extremely versatile player, has played left wing back, central and left midfield and most prominently up front. Has 277 appearances for Roma, a real stalwart during the 90s and early part of this century. Also has 22 caps for Italy
 

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Two good teams but Crustanoid edges it for me.

Not sure about Okocha displayed as a left midfielder/winger, that was definitely not his position as far as I remember. Free role means more room for Del Piero
 

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important to remember that this is all based on players in their PRIME and not on their whole careers.
 

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Two good teams but Crustanoid edges it for me.

Not sure about Okocha displayed as a left midfielder/winger, that was definitely not his position as far as I remember
He's a floater. Bit like how Zidane played on the left several times with Madrid. He's not required to provide any width and its no accident that Gattuso is over on his side to do any defensive covering it needed. I'd classify him as an attacking midfielder.
 

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He's a floater. Bit like how Zidane played on the left several times with Madrid. He's not required to provide any width and its no accident that Gattuso is over on his side to do any defensive covering it needed. I'd classify him as an attacking midfielder.
Fair play, I think Crustanoid would still win with Raul, RVN and Del Piero though
 

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Bit confusing that this is called 70's still!

I'll be voting for kps as I prefer the formation and balance of the side more...
Right enough, never even noticed! kps88 for me too because of the balance and because I think he'd control things in midfield better.
 

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the thing about Yorke and Cole is that neither were world class on their own but at their peak there was no better combo in club football - that along with a great Gattuso+Scholes combo in midfield seals the win for kps IMO
 

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the thing about Yorke and Cole is that neither were world class on their own but at their peak there was no better combo in club football
Three Champions League's for Raul-Morientes suggests they weren't the outright best.
 

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Raul, Del Piero and Ruud at their very best is without doubt the best frontline any of these fantasy drafts has ever seen.
 

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Inclined to go for kps88s midfield balance, I can't quite see how Albertini and Emerson would work there and find Camoranesi's positioning as bizarre as Okocha's.

Some serious firepower from Crustanoid though. I suspect this game is far from over so will hold on to my vote for now.
 

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Raul, Del Piero and Ruud at their very best is without doubt the best frontline any of these fantasy drafts has ever seen.
Indeed, the two top scorers and three of the top 10 :eek:

It just looks very lop-sided though, I think it is about time Crustanoid goes for his more balanced second choice team!
 

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Ljunberg off. Butt on. Think Scholes - Gattuso - Butt will easily deal with Crustanoids midfield 3 and cut off supply to his strikers.

 

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It's often tactics that's the decider for me. Most of the teams are so even. They all have their strengths and "weaknesses".
 

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It's often tactics that's the decider for me. Most of the teams are so even. They all have their strengths and "weaknesses".
Agreed, they are all great players so ultimately tactics are crucial.

Take this here, Crustanoid did what everyone was calling for just switching players around. Now kps gives up on width. Suddenly Cole and Yorke don't look as dangerous and Ljungberg can't come back on...

Crustanoid to win this.
 

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I'm not convinced by either team's width now. Scholes in a left-central position isn't too different from the role he was confined to for England. I like the balance Kps has got at centre-back and centre-forward.
 

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I don't think there's anything wrong with kps88's midfield balance they're just wrongly positioned IMO. Gattuso was never a holding midfielder and regularly played to the right, Butt was a holding midfielder, Okocha's pace and dribbling would make him more suited to the inside-left role than Scholes, who arguably had his best season playing behind the striker(s) so I'd swap them around too. As a quartet though, it's well balanced. And the fullbacks provide the width well really.
 

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I don't think there's anything wrong with kps88's midfield balance they're just wrongly positioned IMO. Gattuso was never a holding midfielder and regularly played to the right, Butt was a holding midfielder, Okocha's pace and dribbling would make him more suited to the inside-left role than Scholes, who arguably had his best season playing behind the striker(s) so I'd swap them around too. As a quartet though, it's well balanced. And the fullbacks provide the width well really.
Agree, kps would look miles better that way.
 

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On Crustanoid, I understand getting in extra protection in there because of the three forwards, Emerson-Albertini just doesn't really work for me. And while Camoranesi liked to drift inside and clearly could play a more central role, it's just a bit of a waste for me. If he had someone like Baraja or Juninho - not even someone like Scholes or Pirlo - it might've made all the difference, because despite how much Del Piero and Raul could contribute creatively there's no-one to control the midfield which just seems like a waste when you've got those players ahead of them. And I think kps88's back 4 + two defensive mids would be well setup to defend against a counter-attacking side.
 

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Into the last quarter now.
 

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storming 2nd half comeback from Crusti but wasnt enough in the end
 

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Good game this one. Crustanoid's makeshift midfield is costing him dearly...