"A Quiet Dressing Room" - Where are our leaders?

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Picked up on this last night in the interview, but I see the press have latched onto it too.....

Christian Eriksen admits 'it was very quiet' in Man United dressing room after error-riddled defeat against Galatasaray... as midfielder rues 'wrong decisions' and 'bad luck' for slump | Daily Mail Online

What a damming indictment on the character of this team. Would it be a quiet dressing room with Robson, Keane, Ince, Bruce, Rio, Rooney or Schmeichel in there?

Where are the leaders?

Some home truths need to be told to these players.

Varane - Why are you 20 yards in front of Icardi for the third goal?
Casemiro - Why are you not tracking you man for the second? Why are you not retaining the ball? Why are you sliding into the back of a man in the box?
Rashford - Why are you not putting you laces through that one-on-one chance?
Bruno - Why can't you retain the ball? 27 giveaways last night.
Onana - Why are you thinking playing that pass?

Or is everyone scared because they are all highly paid, experienced and in the case of the ex Madrid players, highly decorated players?

Or is it because our so-called leaders, like the five mentioned above, are the ones that keep making mistakes?

Rio says it on his Five show and during punditry. Who is setting the standards at this club?
 
gaffs said:
Picked up on this last night in the interview, but I see the press have latched onto it too.....

Christian Eriksen admits 'it was very quiet' in Man United dressing room after error-riddled defeat against Galatasaray... as midfielder rues 'wrong decisions' and 'bad luck' for slump | Daily Mail Online

What a damming indictment on the character of this team. Would it be a quiet dressing room with Robson, Keane, Ince, Bruce, Rio, Rooney or Schmeichel in there?

Where are the leaders?

Some home truths need to be told to these players.

Varane - Why are you 20 yards in front of Icardi for the third goal?
Casemiro - Why are you not tracking you man for the second? Why are you not retaining the ball? Why are you sliding into the back of a man in the box?
Rashford - Why are you not putting you laces through that one-on-one chance?
Bruno - Why can't you retain the ball? 27 giveaways last night.
Onana - Why are you thinking playing that pass?

Or is everyone scared because they are all highly paid, experienced and in the case of the ex Madrid players, highly decorated players?

Or is it because our so-called leaders, like the five mentioned above, are the ones that keep making mistakes?

Rio says it on his Five show and during punditry. Who is setting the standards at this club?
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Onana aside, you could argue those are the biggest names at the club and would assume the biggest voices in the dressing room. No wonder it's quiet after the last game.
 
Casemiro couldn’t say much, his sending off was a pretty pivotal turn around. Bruno has been a flash of his former self, same with rashford, same with varane. Varane should ever push forward, get he wants to contribute but he doesn’t have the legs for that

onana, known for coming out of his goal doesn’t even come out on 1 v 1s.


i hate to say it but it seems like Ten Hag has to change his tune. The players loved him last year but this year I think he’s lost them a little bit.

makes no sense for all the mistakes other wise
 
TheRedHearted said:
Casemiro couldn’t say much, his sending off was a pretty pivotal turn around. Bruno has been a flash of his former self, same with rashford, same with varane. Varane should ever push forward, get he wants to contribute but he doesn’t have the legs for that

onana, known for coming out of his goal doesn’t even come out on 1 v 1s.


i hate to say it but it seems like Ten Hag has to change his tune. The players loved him last year but this year I think he’s lost them a little bit.

makes no sense for all the mistakes other wise
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this has baffled me since he arrived. He seems afraid to come out in practically every situation.
 
gaffs said:
Picked up on this last night in the interview, but I see the press have latched onto it too.....

Christian Eriksen admits 'it was very quiet' in Man United dressing room after error-riddled defeat against Galatasaray... as midfielder rues 'wrong decisions' and 'bad luck' for slump | Daily Mail Online

What a damming indictment on the character of this team. Would it be a quiet dressing room with Robson, Keane, Ince, Bruce, Rio, Rooney or Schmeichel in there?

Where are the leaders?

Some home truths need to be told to these players.

Varane - Why are you 20 yards in front of Icardi for the third goal?
Casemiro - Why are you not tracking you man for the second? Why are you not retaining the ball? Why are you sliding into the back of a man in the box?
Rashford - Why are you not putting you laces through that one-on-one chance?
Bruno - Why can't you retain the ball? 27 giveaways last night.
Onana - Why are you thinking playing that pass?

Or is everyone scared because they are all highly paid, experienced and in the case of the ex Madrid players, highly decorated players?

Or is it because our so-called leaders, like the five mentioned above, are the ones that keep making mistakes?

Rio says it on his Five show and during punditry. Who is setting the standards at this club?
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Good post. agreed.
 
Standards are set in training, not by angry faces and rahrah voices following a defeat.

By all means rip someone a new one if they're slacking in training the following day.
 
Judas said:
this has baffled me since he arrived. He seems afraid to come out in practically every situation.
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It’s so weird and you put pressure on the attacker and you close down the angles… no reason not to do it. But we also saw de gea do it.. is there anyway this is poor coaching?
 
Judas said:
this has baffled me since he arrived. He seems afraid to come out in practically every situation.
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Ever since he ploughed into that Wolves player he’s been reluctant to leave his line. I’d much rather he smash a player out of it and get sent off or a penalty given away once in a while than be a rabbit in the headlights like de gea permanently.
 
“Leaders lead by example”

Has this changed or am I just ill educated, bravado and bluster are the new standards.
 
There isn't really so much of an environment in football that forges strong leaders as there used to be. Yes, leaders have intrinsic qualities as a leader but like any skill you still hone your craft.

These days what need is there. Soon as you've even had a few games you get hyperbole saying you're great. Soon as you "make it" you get paid eye watering sums. It's really only coming from professional pride and some Intrinsic quality if there is leadership - it's not that the players really came up tough and had lots of tough situations that caused them to think outside the box and inspire others. They don't have to think for themselves, it's a Mollycoddled environment from young and that's also why they can't take criticism.
 
Varane, Eriksen, Casemiro and Evans are all experienced internationals. Even Lindelof is the captain of his national team. On top, we have the club captain Bruno. If that isn’t enough leadership, i dont know what more you want.
 
Wasn't there another thread not too long ago bemoaning players having a right go at each other after another embarrassing loss?

Everything to be said has probably been said
 
Wednesday at Stoke said:
Varane, Eriksen, Casemiro and Evans are all experienced internationals. Even Lindelof is the captain of his national team. On top, we have the club captain Bruno. If that isn’t enough leadership, i dont know what more you want.
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Eriksen is a mouse. It is know he quite an introverted guy. See him on the Spurs amazon doc?

Maybe it's too many leaders? All too big to call each other out.
 
In all this chaos maybe Maguire will rise again, standing up as our leader.
Not the hero we deserve, but the hero we need

The Maguire redemption arc is written in the stars lads, mark my words
 
This has been spoken about many times on here and the reality is we don’t have any real leaders hence why when talking about who should replace Maguire as captain when it was clear last year that he wouldn’t start we had so few names to choose from.

This isn’t even a new thing as look at our captains since Rooney as we’ve had Valencia, Young, Maguire and now Fernandes and then compare that with the likes of Robson, Bruce, Cantona, Keane and Vidic and then compare that with the likes of Schmeichel, Pallister, Ince, Giggs, Beckham, Stam, Neville, Carrick, Rio and Evra as a few names that were leaders without always be captain.
 
Wednesday at Stoke said:
Varane, Eriksen, Casemiro and Evans are all experienced internationals. Even Lindelof is the captain of his national team. On top, we have the club captain Bruno. If that isn’t enough leadership, i dont know what more you want.
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If only experience directly translated to leadership.
 
There was the opposite story just a few weeks ago of the players screaming at each other post match (maybe Brighton?)

But regardless there is undoubtedly a lack of leadership
 
Hojlund was giving it some after they scored, that was probably the most emotion we seen and he's only been there 5mins.
 
Wednesday at Stoke said:
Varane, Eriksen, Casemiro and Evans are all experienced internationals. Even Lindelof is the captain of his national team. On top, we have the club captain Bruno. If that isn’t enough leadership, i dont know what more you want.
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That's a bit of a chicken and egg scenario. Being at United will increase their reputation. But being at United today is not a marker of any pedigree.
 
Not this shite again. We have more leaders in our squad than nearly any team in the country but it makes feck all difference. Do you think that arsenal team is full of leaders? Is it hell, they just have good players and a good system to get the best out of them. It’s always the same at Utd, when we are winning and playing well (like last season) people claim we are the second coming with a great mentality. As soon as we lose a couple it’s a crisis and we have no mentality. The reality is as usual somewhere in between and even the best leaders can lose their way in a tough environment!
 
I think Bruno is a poor captain, it’s not like he lacks passion but it seems to negatively impact his game and doesn’t seem to raise the game of others.
 
Players like this don't exist anymore, too many bruised, fragile, childish egos in the dressing room now. Can you imagine Keane going off on one in the dressing room after this result? Instead of knuckling down and saying he's right i've no doubt most of the squad will start leaking to the press how he's a bully and how they don't want to play with him and how he should look in the mirror himself.

That's what footballers are these days. Pathetic.
 
Zed is not dead said:
In all this chaos maybe Maguire will rise again, standing up as our leader.
Not the hero we deserve, but the hero we need

The Maguire redemption arc is written in the stars lads, mark my words
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We need Batman, aka Bruce Wayne - Steve Bruce and Wayne Rooney that is.
 
KeanoMagicHat said:
I think Bruno is a poor captain, it’s not like he lacks passion but it seems to negatively impact his game and doesn’t seem to raise the game of others.
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Yep, and if anything, his petulance isn't any positive either.

On topic, it's quiet because most of the "leaders" should hang their head in shame after that performance.

Who else was going to speak up? Dalol? (sorry, I'm not usually so childish but I'm just highly irritated with Dalot of them). Lindelof (yeah right!)? Amrabat - who just arrived and is being asked to play at LB? Mount - had a good game but also just arrived and has returned from injury? Youngsters like Hannibal, Hojlund, Garnacho? Martial (I'm not even sure I've ever heard him speak!)? Eriksen (seems generally a quiet lad and more of a squad player atm)?
 
This is a thought I've been grappling with when watching (and being frustrated) by United recently. I dont think this team has any natural leaders in it; those that leadership has been foisted upon (Bruno, Rashford, Maguire etc) really don't seem to have those natural traits of a leader.

It's hard to describe but they all seem like the type of personalities that would need a real leader to reel them in sometimes. Bruno mouthing off at refs and being stroppy with his team at times is not leadership. Rashford being local and vocal about social issues is not leadership. Maguire being big and English most certainly is not leadership.

I think we've been so desperate for some actual leadership people have been trying to see it where it isn't really there. Onana for example, coming in and making a big deal of giving Maguire a bollocking, being a big confident character is kind of undermined by the fact he has been rubbish and seems a bit erratic in everything he does. Not a standard setter as much as he may believe he is.

Even Casemiro and Varane, two players massively experienced and who have won nearly everything, they still don't strike as natural leaders. More pieces that could complete a puzzle but not those that would hold it all together. In their successful Real Madrid team they were pieces but I would think the likes of Ramos, Ronaldo, perhaps Modric or Kroos would be the real leaders there.

Growing up and having Roy Keane as captain but also big personalities and leaders in their own right has spoiled me I think. This current bunch just seem so weak mentally and even those that have tried to take on the role of leader it doesn't seem to come naturally, or like they are trying to do an impression of what leadership looks like but no one really believing it.
 
Rood said:
There was the opposite story just a few weeks ago of the players screaming at each other post match (maybe Brighton?)

But regardless there is undoubtedly a lack of leadership
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Both reports could be true and would in that case show a worrying trend. After anger comes quiet acceptance.
 
gaffs said:
Picked up on this last night in the interview, but I see the press have latched onto it too.....

Christian Eriksen admits 'it was very quiet' in Man United dressing room after error-riddled defeat against Galatasaray... as midfielder rues 'wrong decisions' and 'bad luck' for slump | Daily Mail Online

What a damming indictment on the character of this team. Would it be a quiet dressing room with Robson, Keane, Ince, Bruce, Rio, Rooney or Schmeichel in there?

Where are the leaders?

Some home truths need to be told to these players.

Varane - Why are you 20 yards in front of Icardi for the third goal?
Casemiro - Why are you not tracking you man for the second? Why are you not retaining the ball? Why are you sliding into the back of a man in the box?
Rashford - Why are you not putting you laces through that one-on-one chance?
Bruno - Why can't you retain the ball? 27 giveaways last night.
Onana - Why are you thinking playing that pass?

Or is everyone scared because they are all highly paid, experienced and in the case of the ex Madrid players, highly decorated players?

Or is it because our so-called leaders, like the five mentioned above, are the ones that keep making mistakes?

Rio says it on his Five show and during punditry. Who is setting the standards at this club?
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Can’t remember where the footage originated from but when we got knocked out by Galatasaray in 93 there was footage of the dressing room afterwards and it was silent. It may have been on one of the season review videos back in the day. Sometimes silence can be more powerful.
 
So who are the leaders in Arsenals dressing room? Or Liverpools, City’s? It’s abit of a myth.
 
Ish said:
Yep, and if anything, his petulance isn't any positive either.

On topic, it's quiet because most of the "leaders" should hang their head in shame after that performance.

Who else was going to speak up? Dalol? (sorry, I'm not usually so childish but I'm just highly irritated with Dalot of them). Lindelof (yeah right!)? Amrabat - who just arrived and is being asked to play at LB? Mount - had a good game but also just arrived and has returned from injury? Youngsters like Hannibal, Hojlund, Garnacho? Martial (I'm not even sure I've ever heard him speak!)? Eriksen (seems generally a quiet lad and more of a squad player atm)?
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I remember last season at OT some banshee sat behind me giving Maguire shit all game and then at one point screaming "you're a shit captain!"

I'm not really sure what Bruno is doing better than Maguire other than coming off a much better season last year.

I was all for Bruno being captain, but he hasn't stepped up at all.
 
People were complaining when there was a bust up in the dressing room a few weeks ago and now complaining when there isn't a bust up
 
To be fair, that 3rd goal was Amrabaat being far to slow to get in line. Both CB stepped up to play him off, Amrabaat didn't.
 
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