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Adrien Rabiot | signs 1 year deal at Juventus. See you all next year
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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His mother would have screamed at the Scouse and kept the score down.
Actually think he would do a job for us if he was focused and happy.
I don’t see why Sabitzer would want to move from one bench to the other. He’s hardly breaking into the first team.
I get Rabiot FDJ but Rabiot is more of a Casemiro hybrid. He can play with or without him.
He isn't a Casemiro type player at all. He is more of a dribbler and passer with the ball , positionally erratic but quite press resistant. He would just be a great partner to Casemiro.
Aside from our squad being around average in terms of height, the fact that the two best teams in the league this season are among the three smallest sides demonstrates the relative (lack of) importance of height as an asset.
Kane is such an 'un-sexy' option. He's just not exciting at all and is at the tail end of his career, so I think that is why I and others aren't interested.
But, he's the obvious choice if you're thinking with your head/seeing it through ETHs eyes. He'll score goals and hold up play, bringing others into play with his link up (Son now at Spurs, probably Rashford and Antony as inverted wingers here) - everything ETH seems to want in a 'big man up top' type of striker. He'll be 10x better than Weghorst and will score plenty of goals. It's just whether 2-3 good seasons is worth the outlay?
While the top teams tending to be on the lower side of this is true, a lot of our height would be in players who normally don't play and probably won't be here next season (McTominay and Maguire). Take those two out (along with Wout who isn't included in this list either) and I presume we'd drop to being the shortest of all, depending on their replacements being more average height.
Aside from our squad being around average in terms of height, the fact that the two best teams in the league this season are among the three smallest sides demonstrates the relative (lack of) importance of height as an asset.
We are? Because we lost one game?
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. I was about to go off myself.Must be sarcasm, no?
He protects his backline well. Whilst having great positional awareness…
That’s why I said hybrid as he does have the qualities you’ve also listed.
Even just looking at our current nominal starting eleven though, it's still quite tall.
De Gea 6' 4", Dalot 6'0", Varane 6' 3", Shaw 6' 1", Casemiro 6' 1", Eriksen 6' 0", Rashford 5' 11". Even discounting Weghorst, Martial is 5' 11".
As opposed to Arsenal for example who have five players under 5' 11" in their best eleven by my count (Zinchenko, Saka, Martinelli, Odegaard and Jesus).
I'd hardly describe that as badly lacking height.
I swear some of these are made up. How is Rashford shorter than Shaw and Eriksen
We should be more ambitious. He an alright player but we shouldn't be going for mediocrity.
He was one of France's best player in Qatar in fairness. He surprised me how good he was actually.
We could do a lot lot worse. As long as his wages aren't astronomical then it's a no brainer for me. Very tidy player and massively improves our midfield options.
We could do a lot lot worse. As long as his wages aren't astronomical then it's a no brainer for me. Very tidy player and massively improves our midfield options.
No way shaw is 6'1.
I just went with the first result that came up on each tbf, there are always conflicting height stats so you can probably shift those around by about an inch.
The general point though is that it isn't a particularly short team.
It was really noticeable against Liverpool on Sunday. They look massive now with the additions of Nunez and Gakpo!
He's listed as 185cm on the PL website anyway, which is just under 6' 1". But as I said above, height stats aren't consistent, so he could well be shorter. Though I think people partially assume he's quite a bit shorter because of his build.
Also, looking that up I note that Martinez was measured at 5' 10" as per his United medical and not the 5' 9" I thought he was.
This guy does literally nothing. He doesn't score, he doesn't, assist, doesn't have a long passing range, doesn't progress the ball forward. He's Tom Cleverly, recycling 5 yard passes all day.
I wonder what the plan was if we signed this guy (or even FdJ) instead of Casemiro. I think we would've tried to develop one of Fred / McT as a DM and that would've been a disaster.
I still don’t want him.
Feck no! Him and his greedy cnut of a mother had their chance and they blew it. Don’t give them another one, far better options out there.
Name them.
Not against him on free at all
Shaw is roughly 5'10" according to Transfermarkt, and I have a hard time believing Eriksen is over 6 feet. All the heights and weights listed in professional sports are made up anyways (except for combat sports)
I agree that height doesn't matter
Don't know why this guy keeps coming up. When the best that can be said is he's free, is it really such a good prospect? When he's lining up in your midfield going sideways and backwards and providing minimal difference to the strength of our side will it be such a big consolation to say he was free?
I hope we can be more ambitious than this. Fair enough if we have no funds but otherwise there simply has to be way better or at least way more potential out there.
I hope we can be more ambitious than this. Fair enough if we have no funds but otherwise there simply has to be way better or at least way more potential out there.
Mentioned above that Martinez was officially recorded as 5ft 10 on his United medical, so I would think Shaw is definitely taller than that.
But yeah, there are no real reliable sources for most players' heights so arguing over inches is a waste of time really.
I find it hilarious how posters confidently talk out of their asses. He's got 5 goals and 2 assists in 21 matches which isn't far away from Fernandes' 5 goals and 6 assists in 24 matches. Rabiot is in the 86th percentile in goal scoring for midfielders. He's a good all-round midfielder and comparing him to Cleverley shows you don't even know what you're talking about.
I will just re-iterate, if we weren't willing to pay his demands in the summer, we won't be willing to do it this summer either. He will not drop his demands, they would only increase on a free transfer.
Last year we probably had to pay a transfer fee, so I'm assuming that budget would now go to his wages.
Probably not a straight 1 (transfer fee) to 1 (go straight to extra wages) ratio but would probably offset whatever his demands are by a fair bit I'll assume.
Shaw's height has been bought up before, and when going through photos of him next to other players it was generally accepted he was about 5'11". On the other hand Rashford goes the other way and is about 6'1", so they basically just swap heights compared to what you listed. Likewise Eriksen and Martial would be swapped when seeing them next to each other and other players. Both of which don't change the overall team height that you were talking about, but does take that height out of the defensive areas where it probably is more important.
De Gea - tall but very bad at utilising that height in terms of defending crosses and set pieces. Well below almost all his peers in those regards.
Martinez - very short for his position, although good at making up for it.
Fred - short
Antony - short
Bruno - fairly short
Varane and to a lesser extent Casemiro (who I'm pretty sure is 6'2") are the only actually tall players out there, with the others being average to slightly above average. I'm not saying it's super important and something that we desperately need to look at, but it is something to take note of.
Why would we do that? We're actively trying to lower our wage budget. He's currently on 7m euros net, he would become one of our top earners even if he came over on the same terms.
It doesn’t really matter though does it. It will be explainable as he won’t have a transfer fee. If we give him a £5m signing on fee (example) that will be in his wages. Similar to the mad wages we heard Herrera and Wini was on at PSG.
Those heights all look like they've had an inch or 2 added on. Wiki isn't always great for height!
I'd be amazed if Casemiro and Shaw are 6ft 1!
Both players we could have signed too
I'm not saying we should, just saying it won't be out of our budget. Whether he's worth it is another story.
What did he do?
Contract year wonder season, we should all know by now…….
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