Another shooting in the US
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Nothing much abnormal there.
Hmmm the headline I thought said he was British but it doesn't anymore. British family it seems anyway sky news have video of a statement from his father I believe
Hannity on Fox news when discussing how Obama blamed America for not being stricter with guns, "How do you make our children safer in schools? Have armed former detectives protecting our children in schools, not these gun free zones".
Yeah, thank god for all the armed detectives in schools in Ireland and England for keeping our children safe. I'm certainly glad our schools aren't gun free zones.
Yeah, thank god for all the armed detectives in schools in Ireland and England for keeping our children safe. I'm certainly glad our schools aren't gun free zones.
Oh and Hannity is loving the fact that he targeted Christians. Its a personal attack on Hannity and Fox as far as he's concerned.
Innocent people die yet Sean Hannity lives and breathes
moved to the states when he was a kid
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Haven't the American public and politicians had enough yet? It must have to do more than gun control, culture and social conditions must be a factor as it's become so common all over the country.
But take out the word mass from the shootings and they've had almost 40,000 gun violence incidents this year and almost 10,000 fatalities. Sure they've had over 2 Million people involved in car crashes and 20,000 fatalities in the same period but the fact they're shit drivers shouldn't provide any comfort with regards to the fact they're also a bunch of murderous gun nuts. I'd also far rather take my chances in a car crash at 1% fatality than the 25% gun fatality rate.
I'd also question your statistical usage of the term very unlikely since that should imply a near zero incidence per capita when you're actually clocking around 1 person in every 10k involved in gun violence every year and 1 in 40k killed each year. I believe your life expectancy is still into the upper double digits (despite all your best efforts to bring it down) and that most people do still have a social circle of 50-100 people. I'd say statistically you're probably looking at around a 1:2 to 1:3 of being touched by an incidence of gun violence in your life time and around 1:10 to being touched by a gun fatality.
Sources: http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/
http://handsfreeinfo.com/15095-traffic-deaths/
Guns dont kill people, Americans kill people
And sleep on pillows stuffed with dollar dollar bills yaall!
He looks genuinely pissed off. He looks like a man who knows he has been defeated. He genuinely cares, genuinely gets it and genuinely wanted to do something about it. I really feel sorry for him. After the absolute clusterfeck of Bush and Cheney, here came a man who actually wanted to make changes for the people. He wanted to change the healthcare laws and gun laws and was slapped down on both by greedy cnuts or stupid feckwits who believed the propaganda. A great shame that he couldn't make the real changes he wants because of money, greed and the stupidity of a lot of the general population.
And here is a video that proves Obama's point. Unfortunately even with stricter gun laws this guy would probably still be allowed a gun because he is a stupid, thick, moronic fecktard, and not actually mentally ill (although, I think he might be, but you get my point) I think all gun laws would have to introduce an I.Q. test as well.
It's all just sad, and my heart goes out to the families of the dead and injured.
Just head on the radio a Pastor who claims he was at the scene helping the wounded.
"These kids should have been armed to defend themselves".
How deranged are these people?
"These kids should have been armed to defend themselves".
How deranged are these people?
Comparing the numbers to car deaths is moronic, cars are not conceived, designed and engineered to kill. In fact car companies spend millions every year designing and engineering their products to save lives in the event of an accident. Key word: accident.
Guns have one purpose. To kill.
Guns have one purpose. To kill.
Exactly.
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I'm reading online that the killer targeted Christians. Is there any reason for this? What was the motive?
well I agree - you never want to be in a situation where somebody has a gun...
That said if you find yourself in such a situation you want to have a gun as well.
The most obvious solution - and certainly the one that appears most sensible, logical, rational and safest (well certainly to people outside of the USA) is to ban guns and take them off everybody.
How that could actually be implemented though when there are already so many guns out there and such likely resistance to said policy is where it all becomes so problematic.
The fact that some people think the answer is more guns though is frightening.
This guy claimed to be a pastor who directly helped the victims. Surrounded by all that, his opinion is to arm all the kids. As I said, deranged.
And you are right of course, any solution won't be easy, but surely somewhere down the line there has to be a start? Actually scratch that, they won't and more will die.
Well you learn something knew every day...
Obama has floppy hair? is apparently homosexual, and an "Islamic, sunny, extremist, muslim, arab"
what a charming fella...
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I think part of the problem is that its probably electoral suicide for a republican to come out in favour of a gun ban and as such it becomes an issue that is politicised from polar extremes rather than ever actually debated.
that last part you say is true... Im wondering how long before somebody straps an automatic weapon (or several) to a drone (or several) and goes berzerk over a crowd... what will the response be then - we need armed drones flying over the public at all times to ensure safety? (perhaps the NRA will call for drones to be banned instead)
At some point there will have to be some addressing of the fact that guns are a big problem and given the deaths we have seen so far I hate to think exactly what scale of tragedy it will take to get a real debate on the agenda.
Indeed. I mean how is giving a class of kids guns going to help? Imagine 30-odd kids pulling pistols out of their bags and opening fire!
And you are bang on with the drones, it won't be long, and then what do they do when who ever operates it kills a load with that then more onfoot whilst everyone is looking at that chaos?
The solution is far from simple, but there has to be a start at least.
Very sad that so many killers hunger for fame at any cost, even the utter ruination of their lives and others:
Chris Harper-Mercer discussing the actions of murderer Vester Flanagan ~
'A man who was known by no one, is now known by everyone,' he said. 'His face splashed across every screen, his name across the lips of every person on the planet, all in the course of one day. Seems the more people you kill, the more you're in the limelight.'
Chris Harper-Mercer discussing the actions of murderer Vester Flanagan ~
'A man who was known by no one, is now known by everyone,' he said. 'His face splashed across every screen, his name across the lips of every person on the planet, all in the course of one day. Seems the more people you kill, the more you're in the limelight.'
Yeah, it´s kind of how things have changed. Before it seemed like these fecked up human beings would go off somewhere by their fecked up selves and do themselves. Now it´s more like settling grudges and going out in a blaze in the celebrity worshipping 21 century. Even Kim Kardashian will know their names. Firepower is easier than ever to obtain to do a job of it. And thinking about these kids weened on mind altering medicines and action movies and violent video games. Did you see the video that Vester geezer made of himself doing the shooting and you could see the gun . . . it looked exactly like a video game. Life imitating crap art.
Nietzsche was right. God is dead. In his absence comes nihilism and 'life after death' has been replaced with 'celebrity after death'.
Religion is no bed of roses, but neither is an atheistic lack of deontological ethics.
Religion is no bed of roses, but neither is an atheistic lack of deontological ethics.
Why schools? Since Sandy Hook, its an average of a shooting in US school every week!!
Its fecking ridiculous.
http://everytown.org/article/schoolshootings/
There has to be a tipping point America? !!
Its fecking ridiculous.
http://everytown.org/article/schoolshootings/
There has to be a tipping point America? !!
How about simple ethics without the deontological part???
So without religion people have no ethics?
Because nobody kills for religion, obviously.
This shooter had his own set of simple ethics, viz. his opinion on what 'normies' deserved.
People of all backgrounds kill. I've been pretty consistent in the CE forum with regards to my opinion that cuntishness is a part of the human condition. My post was in response to the quote
Back when people had an eternity in heaven to aim for, that was their excuse to do both good works and bad.
As religion becomes marginalised, we're going to see a shift in crazy people attempting to spend eternity as a celebrity instead. It's the changing face of the world we live in. I didn't say it was better or worse than what came before (probably slightly better, tbf). But our species will always find a way to be dicks. Expect to see more of this, is all I'm saying.
It's possible to be critical of religion and critical of the vacuum of it leaves behind at the same time.
I'm atheist, fwiw.
You forgot rock music and Eminem.
Anyone who is solely not killing other innocent people because they're worried it won't get them to heaven is a pretty awful person either way.
Bravo @Dante.
The solution is obvious.
So are the people who don't kill because they don't want to go to prison. Human beings are cnuts. I've said it loads of times in the CE forum. It's why Capitalism works and Communism failed. It's why Democracy works and Monarchy failed. It's why religion was essential to human progress and patriotism is touted as a virtue.
The best systems are the ones which sublimate our selfishness and minimise our egocentricity. People like this shooter fell through the gaps and committed the shooting precisely because of those reasons. It's the just the way the world is increasingly going to work.
So naive. Why does it matter what they believe in as long as the outcome is good?
And how many mass killers and armies throughout history have had their deonotological ethics?
Was being the key word, and even then, I feel like we'd have been just fine without it. People may be able to point to the few positives for religion throughout human history, but the atrocities carried out by those with a religious belief system has set us back just as far, if not further overall.
Loads.
If you have set of codified mores, they're always going to be open to interpretation. You pick and choose what suits you and can act like a cnut anyway.
If you have no codified ethical system, you come up with one which suits you and can act like a cnut anyway.
The crimes and violence of religion are being replaced by the crimes and violence of individual liberty. Swings and roundabouts. I just found his quote interesting because it explains teh whole thing relatively well.
Chads and Stacies seem to be gendered variations of normies (not to be confused with normcore who are hipsters who pretend to be normies - sort of) betas are in direct opposition to jocks (who are effectively normies) so that's simply a play against Alphas/Alpha-male stereotypes. BTFO is usually blown the feck out or blast the feck out.
The fact the press will label him as a loser, loner etc. plays into the beta thing.
What?
I'm not arguing that there's anything wrong with belief at all, far from it. What I'm saying is that surely anyone who is restraining from mass murder simply because of a belief system which could easily change/vary over time is an awful person? I'm not sure too many people like that actually exist, either.