Of the last 20 editions of the equivalent of the Champions League of the Concacaf region, Mexican teams have won 18. The other 2 were won by teams from Costa Rica. Let MLS first catch the mexican league (they are doing it and the MLS will eventually be better) before talking about reducing the gap with serie a and bundesliga.
Are the traditional big leagues outside England at a collective low point?
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That's total nonsense. Carlos Vela was a totally average Liga player and he looks like prime Ronaldo in MLS.
Like I said before, these things are cyclical and things might change again. And if as some say, the money the PL generates becomes too much of an obstacle to overcome, I fully expect the other leagues/big clubs to react. I wouldn't rule out some league fusions in the future a la what the Dutch and Belgians are contemplating.
Welcome to the club of dead leagues.
I think at that time the other leagues were still able to compete financially. The latest TV deal for England is something no other major European league can match, and I think that's why there was a push for the super league. The PL is king and it will be many years before it's dethroned.The PL has always had money. It was still in a low point earlier this last decade, pre Pep and Klopp.
Also, it will be mute once I seize power
Agreed. The MLS will surely overtake / surpass the Liga MX eventually, but at this moment in time it is still lags comfortably behind.
22 out of the last 26 final places in the CONCACAF Champions League have been filled by Liga MX teams.
We should join together and make a super league
I don't think it had anything to do with finance, the EPL has always had financial dominance over the other leagues.
What we're seeing now is the dual impact of the EPL signing the best managers from other leagues, and the top teams from outside of England going through a transition period (Real and Barca). A similar thing happened in the mid 2000's. Real's galaticos era was finishing with their best players entering their 30's while Barcelona's superstars lost motivation after 2006. A few years later, both were able to rebuild their squads and hire great managers (Jose and Pep) while the EPL squads that dominated went past their prime, Chelsea also lost Jose and Liverpool lost Rafa for example.
Liverpool's squad will too enter a period in a few years where some of their main players will go past 30 (Salah, Mane, Firmino, VvD) and Klopp might leave, that could signal a end to their dominance. City and Chelsea's squad look better in that respect but that depends on whether they can keep their current managers as well.
Let's see if Madrid and Barca can rebuild their squads in those next few years as well.
Prem financial superiority is undeniable, but they will never reach NBA levels for two reasons:
1. USA is by far the biggest economy in the world
2. Most of the top basketball players are American
Neither holds true for England
Both of those factors are due to finance. The PL is blowing everyone else away in the money stakes these days, which wasn't always the case. Sometimes the ability of other leagues to be top of the heap was due to favourable tax laws (or illegal avoidance as they were doing in Spain) contributing to the ebb and flow. These days only a few teams can compete with teams in the bottom half of the PL financially so it's natural that the best talents will come to England and the rest of Europe suffers.
A farmers union. I like it.
90s EPL was behind Serie A and La Liga economically, the boost came after cable TV became mainstream, and EPL entered the asian market before anybody else.
In the 90s english teams didn't have the money to sign good foreign coaches so they were stuck with outdated british coaches (except SAF and Arsenal with Wenger)
Until the 2005-2007 or so, at least 90% of managers in EPL were british, a total contrast with today's EPL having only 5-6 british managers out of 20 teams.
When Chelsea got money they first thing they did was signing Mourinho, who was a top manager back then.
Now english teams can even hire continental CL finalists/winning managers, they have the money to, they couldn't do that 20-25 years ago, so they were stuck with outdated british managers.
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We'll farm so hard we'll cause the english economy to collapse. Then no more PL money!
These threads pop up from time to time.
I remember after 2006 there was a lot made of how English teams were dominating the last four of the Champions League. It didn't last. It never does.
For most of the past 10 years Spain has dominated the Champions League and Europa League. It didn't last. It never does.
At the moment we're at one of those points where the English game is succeeding. That's all.
I remember after 2006 there was a lot made of how English teams were dominating the last four of the Champions League. It didn't last. It never does.
For most of the past 10 years Spain has dominated the Champions League and Europa League. It didn't last. It never does.
At the moment we're at one of those points where the English game is succeeding. That's all.
The biggest change is that the the EPL has 3 teams that are elite. Everyone else is neither here nor there. Leicester for example were outplayed heavily in their matches against Napoli.
Too bad nobody cares about MLS.
European football is king.
Still, basketball is a good sport, I’ll give you that.
That makes sense as football is not very popular in US. To get better football has to be more popular, I don’t know how it can develop in the shadows of majors sports there.
In Mexico football is number one.
When I see how you English folks have to pay to watch the PL I am not that jealous.
That is the biggest cons about PL being very marketable. It becomes very expansive to watch it in your own country.
That is the biggest cons about PL being very marketable. It becomes very expansive to watch it in your own country.