Valdano was the Sporting director/director general at Real Madrid, and Mourinho fell out with him because he (Mourinho) wanted more autonomy on the football side of the club like what occurs at English clubs. And Perez allowed Mourinho his wish.My error on Monaco v Lille. Not sure on Valdano, those other roles are different to a DoF but even ignoring that, Zidane credited Mou with his appointment after Valdano left:
‘Mourinho has been fundamental in this, and so has the President’
I’d add Valdano likely wasn’t a DoF because you can find a BBC article which suggests Zidane might take up some of his responsibilities after he left. Surely if Valdano was a DoF, Zidane would just replace him and wouldn’t have a different title? See below.
www.bbc.com/sport/football/14067827.amp
On your bolded point, that’s because Woodward had reportedly said no to a full time DoF which is the entire point of what I’m trying to tell you.
When did I say Mou appointed Zidane? I made the point he obviously was open to bringing him in and the article specifically refers to his title as Director of Football for the 1st team. Which is different to Valdano’s title.They are not different, the term DOF doesn't exist in Spanish or even french, if you are looking for that exact term you won't find it and none of them are defined differently anyway. Zidane wasn't appointed by Mourinho who never had the power to appoint someone at that level, Zidane was the president special advisor, he then became Valdano"s assistant and then he replaced Valdano in 2011, he was appointed by Perez and Sanchez.
I told you that Woodward wasn't anti-DoF(which is what you claimed) and the evidence is that he created the role of DOF and gave it to Murtough. What more evidence do you need that he wasn't against it?When did I say Mou appointed Zidane? I made the point he obviously was open to bringing him in and the article specifically refers to his title as Director of Football for the 1st team. Which is different to Valdano’s title.
@Adnan post makes the article make sense, in that Zidane picked up some of Valdano’s role and not all (assuming not the parts Mou didn’t like).
I don’t see how any of this however distracts from the question I’ve asked you three times now about how can you say Woodward wanted a DoF when there is evidence to the contrary?
He literally said he wanted a DoF and then didn’t interview anyone for the entirety of LVG and Jose’s careers which is the period we’re talking about given your original comment. Don’t you think that’s slightly mixed messaging?I told you that Woodward wasn't anti-DoF(which is what you claimed) and the evidence is that he created the role of DOF and gave it to Murtough. What more evidence do you need that he wasn't against it?
Of course it's a mixed messaging but it makes sense when the eventual managers that he picked didn't really want to share power. You do realize that the vast majority of DoFs are appointed internally without prior experience? That's how they all start including at the highest level.He literally said he wanted a DoF and then didn’t interview anyone for the entirety of LVG and Jose’s careers which is the period we’re talking about given your original comment. Don’t you think that’s slightly mixed messaging?
The fact he finally gave in and appointed someone internally without prior experience is hardly proof he was all for it.
If they do not have a plan or identity, then they wouldn't be going for ETH. I don't think Murtourgh and his team are perfect, but since they have been leading the direction of the first team ( Don't know anything about the overall football operations at the club) believe it's fair to say they've made fairly logical decisions. From appointing Rangnick, to retaining him as a consultant, to not panic signing any players in January and potentially appointing Ten Hag, I believe the kind of vision Murtourgh has for the first team can gradually be deduced.The problem is the club has built a structure and appointed all these people without any clear plan and identity.
ETH will find himself in same scenario as other managers where he’ll be expected to have the plan and identity but then have people second guessing and disagreeing with him when he wants to buy/sell players. Until everyone is on same page we’re going to keep having issues with recruitment, selling players and new contracts.
I think people get very carried away with Murtough, he simply doesn’t have the authority to be establishing any identity, reflected by his job title.If they do not have a plan or identity, then they wouldn't be going for ETH. I don't think Murtourgh and his team are perfect, but since they have been leading the direction of the first team ( Don't know anything about the overall football operations at the club) believe it's fair to say they've made fairly logical decisions. From appointing Rangnick, to retaining him as a consultant, to not panic signing any players in January and potentially appointing Ten Hag, I believe the kind of vision Murtourgh has for the first team can gradually be deduced.
Tbh with you, it's not difficult to have a plan when it comes to identity. You just have to select what kind of football you want the team to play and then select the head coach for it.If they do not have a plan or identity, then they wouldn't be going for ETH. I don't think Murtourgh and his team are perfect, but since they have been leading the direction of the first team ( Don't know anything about the overall football operations at the club) believe it's fair to say they've made fairly logical decisions. From appointing Rangnick, to retaining him as a consultant, to not panic signing any players in January and potentially appointing Ten Hag, I believe the kind of vision Murtourgh has for the first team can gradually be deduced.
My dear fellow, regardless of whether I agree with that or not, why did he not hire a DoF despite ‘wanting’ one for over half a decade?Of course it's a mixed messaging but it makes sense when the eventual managers that he picked didn't really want to share power. You do realize that the vast majority of DoFs are appointed internally without prior experience? That's how they all start including at the highest level.
You are the one who said that he was anti something. I simply told you several times that he was anti-nothing. Here is what I said, it's pretty clear and doesn't need more words.My dear fellow, regardless of whether I agree with that or not, why did he not hire a DoF despite ‘wanting’ one for over half a decade?
They are spineless because instead of admitting that they were limited they have been blaming everyone else and are still doing it. It was their job to improve the scouting and recruitment team, as it was SAF's job to do it. And Woodward wasn't anti-DOF, he was pro giving the manager and fans what they asked until he had to sack the manager, it was of course a terrible way of leading a club but he wasn't anti anything.
We are not going to pretend that any of these managers wanted the influence of someone else above them or that a large part of the fanbase were and still are asking for the manager to be given all the power.
If you want to know my reply, just read what I wrote to you after that. It’s very very clear he was never going to actually hire a DoF and only did so once pressure grew too much about 5 years after starting his search.You are the one who said that he was anti something. I simply told you several times that he was anti-nothing. Here is what I said, it's pretty clear and doesn't need more words.
I don't want to know your reply.If you want to know my reply, just read what I wrote to you after that. It’s very very clear he was never going to actually hire a DoF and only did so once pressure grew too much about 5 years after starting his search.
Yeah Spurs and Conte are definitely having the last laugh at both ours and Arsenal expensesI'm not sure whether I should say this but Spurs are likely achieving top 4 now because they back Conte in January to improve their squad by signing Kulusevski and Betancur. While we and Arsenal didn't get anyone in January despite of losing players.
