Bryan Mbeumo | Newcastle ready to make bid (Telegraph)

DJ_21 said:
True. The question would be whether they want to join without CL football. Cunha is definitely coming. He loves us. The other 2 will probably have offers from CL teams
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Agreed. Attracting these players over Champions League clubs will be challenging. At least we are seemingly showing the ambition.
 
Didn’t realise he reached twenty league goals this season.

As another poster said, this could be another Mane type transfer for whoever gets him, in that he seems ready to step up. Hope it’s us.
 
Irwin99 said:
Didn’t realise he reached twenty league goals this season.

As another poster said, this could be another Mane type transfer for whoever gets him, in that he seems ready to step up. Hope it’s us.
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Mane is a good comparison in general (although SM was about 18 months younger when he moved). Pretty short, but tough as well as speedy, able to run at as well as behind players, and obviously a really accomplished finisher as a wide forward. He's already hitting around 'Mane at Liverpool's average season league numbers whilst at Brentford. Just depends whether he's got any kind of at least informal release clause number so they don't start trying to get 65-70m out of us/whoever.
 
Mbeumo whether you like it or not, would take our attack to another level. Cunha likes to drop a little deeper and run with the ball while Mbeumo loves a run in behind. Even if we don’t sign Gyokeres, Cunha & Mbeumo playing off Zirkzee is still a lovely balanced attack! We may see the big Zirk thrive with 2 very attacking 10s beside him.
 
Cheekiey said:
Mbeumo whether you like it or not, would take our attack to another level. Cunha likes to drop a little deeper and run with the ball while Mbeumo loves a run in behind. Even if we don’t sign Gyokeres, Cunha & Mbeumo playing off Zirkzee is still a lovely balanced attack! We may see the big Zirk thrive with 2 very attacking 10s beside him.
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I agree these two are made for Zirkzee playing as playmaking 9 we need Mbeumo next he’s just as important as Cunha.
 
Cheekiey said:
Mbeumo whether you like it or not, would take our attack to another level. Cunha likes to drop a little deeper and run with the ball while Mbeumo loves a run in behind. Even if we don’t sign Gyokeres, Cunha & Mbeumo playing off Zirkzee is still a lovely balanced attack! We may see the big Zirk thrive with 2 very attacking 10s beside him.
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Mbuemo and Cunha would be a great pair with different strengths and playstyles that I think would compliment each other like you say. Complete these two and a new striker in time for pre-season and I think we can start to get excited.
 
Xeque_279 said:
Cunha is right footed.
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bosnian_red said:
Obviously if Bruno goes a lot changes. If not though, our options would be:
Delap, zirkzee, Chido for striker
Cunha, Amad, Mount, Zirkzee, Mainoo/Bruno for 10.

Fewer injuries next season, less need to rotate, and we already have 2 per position without further signings there. Unless we sell one of the above, I doubt it
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DeLap is not coming to United. we are looking at other options now and maybe why we want Cunha and Mbeumo done asap as they will carry the burden.
 
Woziak said:
DeLap is not coming to United. we are looking at other options now and maybe why we want Cunha and Mbeumo done asap as they will carry the burden.
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Our backup target to Delap is Mateta, not Cunha / Mbuemo. I still think he's coming. He has to rotate at Chelsea with Jackson, backup at Newcastle to Isak. The United starting berth is there for him. He's ready to start - so unless his advisors feel he should go to Everton or something, get some more experience before jumping to a big club, I think he'd come here.
 
Attila said:
------Gyokeres-------
Cunha---Mbeumo

Damn that would make me excited for next season! Open the cheque book Jim Rat
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Given our struggles this season, those are exactly the 3 positions we should strengthen first. Play some blistering attacking football next season, and then consolidate from there - similar to the order Liverpool went.
 
Remember the geese said:
Agreed. Attracting these players over Champions League clubs will be challenging. At least we are seemingly showing the ambition.
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If a player wants guaranteed Champions League football every year they probably shouldn't be playing in the Premier League at all.
 
If we could wrap up the Cunha deal and somehow snag Mbeumo as well, that would be a lot of added firepower going straight into our starting lineup.
 
We could feasibly get a lot of money through players sales this summer. Bruno (80), Rashford (40), Garnacho (40), Sancho (25), Antony (30)

Cunha and Mbuemo are very gettable. If we could manage to sort Gyokeres as well that would be an unbelievable summer

That leave hojlund, Zirkzee, Mount and Mainoo as back up/squad players. Enables Amad at RWB as well and the 1st team instantly looks a whole lot better

Hell if the first paragraph were to happen. We could even have change from the second paragraph to add to CM…as well as Gomes on a free

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If any of the big teams were signing Cunha, Mbuemo and gyokerrs I’d be very jealous
 
Pughnichi said:
We could feasibly get a lot of money through players sales this summer. Bruno (80), Rashford (40), Garnacho (40), Sancho (25), Antony (30)

Cunha and Mbuemo are very gettable. If we could manage to sort Gyokeres as well that would be an unbelievable summer

That leave hojlund, Zirkzee, Mount and Mainoo as back up/squad players. Enables Amad at RWB as well and the 1st team instantly looks a whole lot better

Hell if the first paragraph were to happen. We could even have change from the second paragraph to add to CM…as well as Gomes on a free

Easy right

If any of the big teams were signing Cunha, Mbuemo and gyokerrs I’d be very jealous
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I think even if we keep Bruno, the rest, even if you reduce the valuation to realistic levels, Rashford (20m), Garna (40m), Sancho (20m), Antony (30m) = 110M total. 100M kitty independent of that = 210M total spend.

That pays for Cunha (62.5), Delap (30), Mbuemo (60) and another player (40 -- hopefully midfield).

Selling Bruno would really allow us to rebuild with a strong core but it looks like Amorim loves him and it won't happen. I'm fine with it, I love Bruno too but every player has his price and 100m is a pretty fecking good one.
 
Woziak said:
On line apparently he’s going to Italy, make of that what you will, might be bs but who knows could be Juventus?
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If there's any truth to the stories, surely there must be a better source than 'online'. It's almost certainly bullshit and he'll likely join one of the Premier League teams that have already met with him face to face.

On Mbeumo, I reckon we'll only sign him if we sell Bruno. Tough to see us spending over £100 million on the two number 10 positions otherwise. If we do sell Bruno I think this could be a great replacement. We'd be losing the source of most of our production over the past number of seasons, but Mbembo and Cunha managed 35 goals and 13 assists between them in the league this season, so you'd hope that they would go a good way to replacing / improving what we'd be losing in Bruno.

Plus it seems like they both have a clear fit as number 10's in Amorim's formation, while Bruno seems like he might be something between a 10 and one of the deeper lying midfielders.
 
Mickeza said:
It’s all about selling a vision. Chelsea, Newcastle and Villa have all signed good players in the past without having CL. Gyokeres is the big question mark but if Arsenal prefer Sesko then I’m not sure where he’s going.
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There’s selling a vision and then there’s lying to players. We’ve probably told players the past few windows that we’ll play good football and win a trophy etc.
 
Pughnichi said:
We could feasibly get a lot of money through players sales this summer. Bruno (80), Rashford (40), Garnacho (40), Sancho (25), Antony (30)

Cunha and Mbuemo are very gettable. If we could manage to sort Gyokeres as well that would be an unbelievable summer

That leave hojlund, Zirkzee, Mount and Mainoo as back up/squad players. Enables Amad at RWB as well and the 1st team instantly looks a whole lot better

Hell if the first paragraph were to happen. We could even have change from the second paragraph to add to CM…as well as Gomes on a free

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If any of the big teams were signing Cunha, Mbuemo and gyokerrs I’d be very jealous
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Garnacho's going to be more than 40. Chelsea would probably pay a hard 50 right now. There's also the question of HG/FFP, accounting whereby, as with McT and Greenwood previously, we can use Garnacho and Rash sales to, in theory, spend up to 4 times what we log for them. Lack of European football is going to eat into the books, of course, but you can do an awful lot with just those sales plus Sancho. Antony will probably go for 35m + (Atletico or, maybe now, Leverkusen), and he needs to for the books given his remaining value.
 
Teja said:
I think even if we keep Bruno, the rest, even if you reduce the valuation to realistic levels, Rashford (20m), Garna (40m), Sancho (20m), Antony (30m) = 110M total. 100M kitty independent of that = 210M total spend.

That pays for Cunha (62.5), Delap (30), Mbuemo (60) and another player (40 -- hopefully midfield).

Selling Bruno would really allow us to rebuild with a strong core but it looks like Amorim loves him and it won't happen. I'm fine with it, I love Bruno too but every player has his price and 100m is a pretty fecking good one.
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What about goalkeeper ? Even if we keep Onana we’ve got to replace Byandir and get someone who can properly compete with Onana.
 
Cheekiey said:
Mbeumo whether you like it or not, would take our attack to another level. Cunha likes to drop a little deeper and run with the ball while Mbeumo loves a run in behind. Even if we don’t sign Gyokeres, Cunha & Mbeumo playing off Zirkzee is still a lovely balanced attack! We may see the big Zirk thrive with 2 very attacking 10s beside him.
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Woziak said:
I agree these two are made for Zirkzee playing as playmaking 9 we need Mbeumo next he’s just as important as Cunha.
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Cunha and Zirkzee would get in each other's way.
 
I'm a huge fan of Mbuemo. He's tailor made for the right sided #10 spot and it allows Amad to take RWB, which is an awkward one to shop for and he's already done well there.

I won't let myself believe we have a chance at Gyokeres as he'd be too damn perfect in front of those two, but even Delap would be terrific.

Does Bruno work deeper in that formation I'm wondering? Alongside Ugarte? Possibly. It's very offensive, and I fancy the sound of some 4-3 / 3-2 wins next year..
 
OleGunnar20 said:
I'm a huge fan of Mbuemo. He's tailor made for the right sided #10 spot and it allows Amad to take RWB, which is an awkward one to shop for and he's already done well there.

I won't let myself believe we have a chance at Gyokeres as he'd be too damn perfect in front of those two, but even Delap would be terrific.

Does Bruno work deeper in that formation I'm wondering? Alongside Ugarte? Possibly. It's very offensive, and I fancy the sound of some 4-3 / 3-2 wins next year..
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I honestly see no way back for Ugarte now. Casemiro has been fantastic these last few months, and today I was watching him pass that ball and thinking “there’s no way Ugarte is ever going to be at this level”. Bruno and Casemiro as a pair has its drawbacks and isn’t a long term solution by any means, but when they’re both on their game it gives you a taste of what we need. Having two CMs who can play intelligent, one touch football, can battle through a game and can be expansive in their play, just changes the whole complexion of the team. It knits everything together.
 
pocco said:
I honestly see no way back for Ugarte now. Casemiro has been fantastic these last few months, and today I was watching him pass that ball and thinking “there’s no way Ugarte is ever going to be at this level”. Bruno and Casemiro as a pair has its drawbacks and isn’t a long term solution by any means, but when they’re both on their game it gives you a taste of what we need. Having two CMs who can play intelligent, one touch football, can battle through a game and can be expansive in their play, just changes the whole complexion of the team. It knits everything together.
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Yes, I'm not sure on him either. I like him as a player in isolation, as a specialist destroyer - but there's very little room for that in this system. If he can improve his first touch, press resistance and distribution to a reasonable level, he'll be a big asset. But that seems unlikely.

It's odd that he clearly thrived at Sporting before but has struggled here. Perhaps it's just a level too high for his technique.
 
OleGunnar20 said:
I'm a huge fan of Mbuemo. He's tailor made for the right sided #10 spot and it allows Amad to take RWB, which is an awkward one to shop for and he's already done well there.

I won't let myself believe we have a chance at Gyokeres as he'd be too damn perfect in front of those two, but even Delap would be terrific.

Does Bruno work deeper in that formation I'm wondering? Alongside Ugarte? Possibly. It's very offensive, and I fancy the sound of some 4-3 / 3-2 wins next year..
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Feels like it needs a more physical 8 .. a 9, two 10s, two attacking WBs needs some cover?
 
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