Cesc Fabregas

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http://metro.co.uk/2017/05/02/liver...r-unhappy-chelsea-star-cesc-fabregas-6611996/

So full disclosure, my first reaction to this was no way: past his best, questionable character, probably end up being another Schweinsteiger. And while all those are legitimate concerns, I started to think, and there are some arguments for this one:

1. He's extremely productive. He's barely played this season, but when he has he's been very very good at not just creating chances, but good chances. See Michael Cox's recent analysis.

2. He (probably) wouldn't be a starter. I expect we'll pick up that much sought defensive midfielder to replace Carrick in the summer, and with a midfield three, it will be him who lines up beside Pogba and Herrera. However, we've seen how badly injuries can derail a season if you don't have quality players to replace them, and this has been especially true on the games Pogba has been out. Fabregas would be an ideal player to slot in; limited defensive responsibility, still a great creator. And if we go as far as we have in cup competitions next season, he'd surely still get plenty of games.

3. He's a winner. We don't really have too many senior players that can be looked up to as examples. Fabregas might just be that kind of player. Has won multiple domestic honours and knows what it takes to win a league title. I think he could really be a great example for those around him.

Caveats: The big one is our recent Schweinsteiger experience, who in truth, we signed for a lot of the same reasons I've outlined here. But the other big one is his relationship with Mourinho. There seemed to be a lot of Chinese whispers during the early part of 2015/16, and a suggestion that he was a key instigator of much of the dressing room turmoil, but none of it was ever confirmed. And to make things more confusing, Fabregas defended Mourinho with some vigour when he appeared on Monday Night Football later in the season. Ultimately though, it's fairly certain that if his relationship with Mou isn't good, he won't be signed.

Anyway these are just my thoughts, I'm not entirely sold, but I'm more open to it than I initially was when I first saw the story. What do you lot think?
 
Impossible to get the best out of Pogba and him in the same system.

Cesc is a class act still but that ship sailed along with Moyes.

I think it would be a mistake to sign him at this stage of his career. He's not old but I do worry about his longevity. He's been around for a long time now. He's pushing 700 senior games. That takes its toll, like with Rooney.
 
Better than what we have. I'd take him. Cheaply, on sensible wages. We're not a pay day for a Chelsea benchwarmer.
 
Good squad player tbh
 
Impossible to get the best out of Pogba and him in the same system.

Cesc is a class act still but that ship sailed along with Moyes.

I think it would be a mistake to sign him at this stage of his career. He's not old but I do worry about his longevity. He's been around for a long time now. He's pushing 700 senior games. That takes its toll, like with Rooney.
I agree with everything you've said here, but as I outlined in my post, as I envision it he wouldn't be a starter, he'd be a replacement for Pogba when injured/rested. I know what you mean about miles on the clock though, it's definitely a concern.
 
Reasons why we shouldn't sign him
1. Conte won't sell any of Chelsea's players to Mourinho specifically
2. He's 30 and could be on the downward spiral
3. If we comes we would have to pay him around close to 200k/ week which I don't think it's going to be worth it
4. We need someone whose more of a defensive deep-lying playmaker

On the brighter side, I think he would make a quality squad player but that would be the same role as what he does for Conte at Chelsea at the moment.
 
Reasons why we shouldn't sign him
1. Conte won't sell any of Chelsea's players to Mourinho specifically
2. He's 30 and could be on the downward spiral
3. If we comes we would have to pay him around close to 200k/ week which I don't think it's going to be worth it
4. We need someone whose more of a defensive deep-lying playmaker

On the brighter side, I think he would make a quality squad player but that would be the same role as what he does for Conte at Chelsea at the moment.
I didn't think of the wages issue, that's a good point. I think we'll get the defensive midfielder anyway though.
 
Dont think he'd get a regular starting berth at any of the top clubs at his age. He'd be a very good impact player to have though, incredibly productive.
 
Chelsea would have the title wrapped up if they started him more often in my humble opinion but I'm not sure I'd want him at United. Like others have said Pogba has to be the main focus of the midfield and Fabregas would want to occupy the same space with Herrera needing to do a lot of work to cover both. One of my favourite players but not a signing that makes sense for us right now.
 
I think we need 2 new midfielders this year, aside from Pereira returning. We need a first team player to replace Carrick (Dier or Fabinho) and a first option to come off the bench or step in for injuries which is currently Fellaini's position (Matuidi or Fabregas).
 
I wouldn't be against the idea at the right price.
Wouldn't hurt to have him when were looking for a goal 70 mins into a game against Burnely or whatever.
Our midfield is pretty bare
 
I don't see why he leaves London to move to Manchester to find himself sat on our bench for significant spells of the season, instead of Chelsea's. If you tell him the truth regarding his status, he wouldn't come. If you lie to him then you might have a very unhappy player throughout the season.

Fantastic player but we bought Pogba.

I don't buy the great example argument (nothing to do with Fabregas). Numerous times, both at United and elsewhere, a squad will have several players who have won everything yet the team they play for that season is a complete disaster.
 
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I would take him if we can't price away Kroos from Real or Verratti from PSG. We need a passer from midfield now Carrick's time with us is coming to an end. Fab has fabulous passing and vision from midfield, and would excel in a 3 man midfield Jose has deployed off late. A water carrier, Pogba as the ball carrier and Fab the passer would be an excellent midfield combination.

Would be an astute buy for anything close to £20m.
 
After Jose's last season at Chelsea, I bet he'll be going near anyone from that team (Matic maybe).
 
I would take him if we can't price away Kroos from Real or Verratti from PSG. We need a passer from midfield now Carrick's time with us is coming to an end. Fab has fabulous passing and vision from midfield, and would excel in a 3 man midfield Jose has deployed off late. A water carrier, Pogba as the ball carrier and Fab the passer would be an excellent midfield combination.

Would be an astute buy for anything close to £20m.

Yep hard to disagree but hope we have an eye on other talents. Kosaic at Madrid would be a better buy for around the same price.
 
No thanks. I'd rather have Willian if we are getting a squad player from Chelsea.
 
I would take him if we can't price away Kroos from Real or Verratti from PSG. We need a passer from midfield now Carrick's time with us is coming to an end. Fab has fabulous passing and vision from midfield, and would excel in a 3 man midfield Jose has deployed off late. A water carrier, Pogba as the ball carrier and Fab the passer would be an excellent midfield combination.

Would be an astute buy for anything close to £20m.

Agreed. As long as he and Mourinho are keen to work together again he'd be a great addition. Depends on what Fabregas wants from the end of his career now, though. It'd be entirely reasonable to want to be the main man at a smaller club in a sunnier climate as he ends his career.
 
If it was for a decent price and he wasn't earning a fortune in wages, and provided he wasn't intended as a starter, I'd take him. Currently, when our midfielders are injured or subbed we bring on Fellaini. Who wouldn't feel more comfortable bringing on Fabregas?

Oh, and also only if he's not our sole midfield purchase. Strengthening our options in the middle of the park with Fabinho and Fabregas doesn't sound like the worst idea in the world to me.
 
I truly don't see us getting Fabregas, but i'd like it if we did. I'd take him for a couple of seasons, and use him in a rotation system. With his passing ability he can replace Carrick in that aspect at least, if not quite so much in terms of a defensive contribution, although Fabregas is probably slightly more mobile. I think he'd work well next to Herrera, with Herrera taking care of the ball recovery, and Pogba then playing in the more advanced role. There would be a lot of passing talent in that midfield, the strikers would surely be well fed. Fabregas would also be able to take the dead ball responsibilities away from Rashford, who seems to have inherited them recently. Let him get back into the box where he can attack the ball.
 
Great player although I dislike him. But I don't see the game suiting a player with his qualities at the moment. The game is moving away from central midfielders as pure creators in favour of defensively solid central midfielders coupled with two offensive fullbacks. This is the main reason he isn't playing at Chelsea imo.

edit: and isn't the reason why he is leaving to be a starter for a club? Don't see why he would leave Chelsea to be a squad player for United.
 
We love getting linked with Chelsea castoffs at the moment. I actually think Fabregas has been good when he's played this season. But the ship sailed on this one when we were in for him and he went to Chelsea.
 
Agreed. As long as he and Mourinho are keen to work together again he'd be a great addition. Depends on what Fabregas wants from the end of his career now, though. It'd be entirely reasonable to want to be the main man at a smaller club in a sunnier climate as he ends his career.
I don't know about that, every move he's made in his career (and the interviews I've seen from him) has suggested his primary motivation is winning things.

Oh, and also only if he's not our sole midfield purchase. Strengthening our options in the middle of the park with Fabinho and Fabregas doesn't sound like the worst idea in the world to me.
Agreed, I think getting those two would be excellent business.
 
He's class but I don't think we can fit him in the same team as Pogba. Not sure that he'd join us just to be a squad player.
I think you could actually. Stick Pogba out left and let Cesc spray the ball around.

Zero chance of us letting him go though. New contract on the table as we speak. Fabulous player to spring from the bench and racking up medals since he left Arsenal!
 
Great player although I dislike him. But I don't see the game suiting a player with his qualities at the moment. The game is moving away from central midfielders as pure creators in favour of defensively solid central midfielders coupled with two offensive fullbacks. This is the main reason he isn't playing at Chelsea imo.

edit: and isn't the reason why he is leaving to be a starter for a club? Don't see why he would leave Chelsea to be a squad player for United.

Game isn't moving from CMs in favor of Defensive mid.

Madrid plays with Kroos and Modric in midfield 3, 2 players who are known for their ability on the ball.
Barca - Plays with midfield trio and the defensive mid is Busquets.
Bayern - Again no strictly with DMs as they play Thiago, Vidal.
Juventus - Plays with Pjanic and Khedira.

In PL what you said is correct though, I think reason is lack of creative midfielders.
 
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He's a great player but he's off to Italy, think that's pretty obvious. AC Milan seem to be a good fit, need improving and have money to spend.
 
He took the same hair loss drug Rooney took so we'd do well to stay away.
 
Madrid plays with Kroos and Modric in midfield 2, 2 players who are known for their ability on the ball.
Barca - Plays with midfield trio and the defensive mid is Busquets.
Bayern - Again no strictly with DMs as they play Thiago, Vidal.
Juventus - Plays with Pjanic and Khedira.
Madrid play a midfield three with Casemiro just behind them, who is the very definition of a defensive midfielder, and they're the best of the bunch.
 
His legs are more or less gone. Dont think he would be happy coming from the bench most games, he simply can't play as a starter for the season. Plus pizzagate.
 
Madrid play a midfield three with Casemiro just behind them, who is the very definition of a defensive midfielder, and they're the best of the bunch.

I know, the point I replied to was :
The game is moving away from central midfielders as pure creators in favour of defensively solid central midfielders coupled with two offensive fullbacks

So Madrid plays with 1 CM and 2 creative mids.

Edit: Typo in my first post. I meant Modric and Kroos plays in midfield 3.
 
I think the way Conte is using him at the minute is perfect. He's too good technically to not utilise, but at the same time he's extremely lax defensively and now lacks the physicality to play in a 2 man midfield. Not really any point of us signing him to use him in the same way, he'd be better off in Spain or Italy if he wants consistent first team football.
 
Dont think he'd get a regular starting berth at any of the top clubs at his age.
He's 30 years old.

His career has plummeted like Rooney's. no thanks.
I guess we should only buy players that are having great (read: in the spotlight) seasons and pay huge money for them. Fabregas being on the bench at Chelsea has nothing to do with him having lost anything as a player.
 
Don't want. He's got the ability to cut open any defence with that one pass, but otherwise he's strolling around and a complete defensive liability. We've already got our hands on Pogba who can do the same but just better, so no, keep it in your pants.
 
If we'd fit him and Pogba in the same midfield (which probably means benching Herrera and buying a monstrous DM), we'd have the most creative midfield in the world (on par with Madrid's Kroos-Modric duo). The DM will need to be amazing though, other way the balance is off. Still, with those two and Micky/Mata in the attacking third we can build an amazing possession-based team
 
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