Havana Syndrome | New links to Russia

[VorZakone]

First reported in Cuba, the Havana syndrome just keeps popping up every once in a while. Now the latest incident happened in India.

Washington (CNN)When CIA Director Bill Burns traveled to India earlier this month a member of his team reported symptoms consistent with Havana syndrome and had to receive medical attention, according to three sources familiar with the matter.
The incident set off alarm bells within the US government and left Burns "fuming" with anger, one source explained. Some officials at the CIA viewed the chilling episode as a direct message to Burns that no one is safe, including those working directly for the nation's top spy, two sources said.

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/09/20/politics/cia-director-havana-syndrome-india-trip/index.html

 

[Oldyella]

Intriguing story. Got to be aliens, imo. Sure I remember reading that the first people to report it were shit on by the US and given no health care support.

 

[Eboue]

mass delusions

 

[Pogue Mahone]

What the feck is “Havana Syndrome”? It’s not a medical diagnosis, that’s for sure.

 

[altodevil]

Russians hacking devices etc isn't it? Fun stuff, makes you wonder what is still unbeknownst to the public.

 

[Dr. Dwayne]

CIA shocked that every other country wants to feck with them.

 

[Rado_N]

What the feck is “Havana Syndrome”? It’s not a medical diagnosis, that’s for sure.

It seems to be “we don’t know what the feck this is”.

 

[VorZakone]

What the feck is “Havana Syndrome”? It’s not a medical diagnosis, that’s for sure.

There's no official explanation for it yet. Some background info:

Studies of the affected diplomats in Cuba, published in the medical journal JAMA in 2018, found evidence that the diplomats experienced some form of brain injury, but did not determine the cause of the injuries.[15][16] While there is no expert consensus on the cause,[7] one co-author of the JAMA study considered microwave weapons "a main suspect".[3][17]

A National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine expert committee concluded in December 2020 that microwave energy (specifically, directed pulsed RF energy) "appears to be the most plausible mechanism in explaining these cases among those that the committee considered" but that "each possible cause remains speculative."[2][4][18] In 2021, investigators were considering new evidence, including blood markers from patients, which had recently been collected and analyzed more systematically.[19]

 

[Mciahel Goodman]

What the feck is “Havana Syndrome”? It’s not a medical diagnosis, that’s for sure.

It's the new Red Scare supported by dubious medical information. If someone in Qanon spoke about microwave weapons they would justifiably be laughed the feck out of the room. Why would India be using militarised microwave technology on US diplomats? It's bullshit.

 

[OleBoiii]

They must be havana laugh!

 

[Relevated]

Oh noo

 

[VorZakone]

It's the new Red Scare supported by dubious medical information. If someone in Qanon spoke about microwave weapons they would justifiably be laughed the feck out of the room. Why would India be using militarised microwave technology on US diplomats? It's bullshit.

Weird post. First of all, nobody is accusing India. These symptons first started in Cuba, then followed US and Canadian diplomats in other places. Austria for example.

Second, what do you mean dubious medical information? There is no official explanation yet.

 

[Sir Matt]

It's the new Red Scare supported by dubious medical information. If someone in Qanon spoke about microwave weapons they would justifiably be laughed the feck out of the room. Why would India be using militarised microwave technology on US diplomats? It's bullshit.

It's not India who's doing it. In all likelihood, it's Russia using some form of snooping device that is either unintentionally or intentionally causing the effects. Apparently many of the reports matched up with known FSB agents being in close proximity to the victims.

 

[berbatrick]

Second, what do you mean dubious medical information? There is no official explanation yet.

Explanation of what though?
The symptoms are varied. Is there any signature test? For covid we have PCRs and antibodies. Is there a consistent pattern (or any indication at all) reported from CT scans, biposies, X-rays, ear examinations, gene expression, environmental sampling,...?

"Hearing strange grating noises they perceived as coming from a specific direction. Some of them experienced it as a pressure, a vibration, or a sensation comparable to driving a car with the window partly rolled down "

sounds like their ears are blocked tbh, need some good decongestants and allergy meds.

 

[Mciahel Goodman]

Weird post. First of all, nobody is accusing India. These symptons first started in Cuba, then followed US and Canadian diplomats in other places. Austria for example.

Second, what do you mean dubious medical information? There is no official explanation yet.

India is the site concerned. Symptoms developed there. If the argument is that the symptoms, which are very broadbased from what I can see, followed diplomats from one country to another, you have to ask yourself if that doesn't have something to do with the current pandemic the possible symptoms of which are so broad as to include every complaint listed in "Havana Syndrome".

Or maybe Havana Syndrome refers to the United States unleashing crop killing chemicals in Havana and the surrounding environs?

 

[VorZakone]

India is the site concerned. Symptoms developed there. If the argument is that the symptoms, which are very broadbased from what I can see, followed diplomats from one country to another, you have to ask yourself if that doesn't have something to do with the current pandemic the possible symptoms of which are so broad as to include every complaint listed in "Havana Syndrome".

Or maybe Havana Syndrome refers to the United States unleashing crop killing chemicals in Havana and the surrounding environs?

Current pandemic? This started in 2016. In Cuba.

 

[Mciahel Goodman]

Current pandemic? This started in 2016. In Cuba.

Yes, I remember the diplomatic recall becaue it coincided with Obama's attempt to normalise relations on his way out of the WH. Seemed like bullshit then, still seems that way now.

Or, why would Cuban regime sabotage the one thing they've wanted since 1960s? Normal relations and an end to the embargo post-Missile Crisis.

 

[Wibble]

It certainly sounds like something happened and given it seems to be happening to US dismays in various locations you would have to suspect Russia (or perhaps China) of a deliberate act. Microwaves should like the most likely cause.

Contagious stress may have affected some people but there seems to be too much smoke for there tobe no fire.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/world-58396698.amp

 

[Mciahel Goodman]

It certainly sounds like something happened and given it seems to be happening to US dismays in various locations you would have to suspect Russia (or perhaps China) of a deliberate act. Microwaves should like the most likely cause.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/world-58396698.amp

In law enforcement there is much talk about such measures being used to disperse large crowds. Not sure how it would work technically, but the RAND corporation produced a study on the topic under the heading of "Future of Policing" (the idea is to use non-lethal methods). The point I'm making is that the US is hardly in the dark about the measures being used as they seem to be the innovators of the new technology. It does seem weird that Russia or China would target US diplomats, though, because that would lead to a tit-for-tat episode where Russian/Chinese diplomats are targeted on US soil and proxy US bases. That Cuba would use it seems too inredible to be true, especially given the time-frame typically given for the onset of the syndrome (the exact time that Cuba had least to gain by being hostile in any respect to the US).


Twenty years old:

Current US military policy is to think of such allegedly non-lethal weapons as providing a force continuum, a force multiplier and a flexible response. Much of the public relations side of this work is now entering the public domain in the guise of benign warfare.26 Such weapons are advocated for the task of full spectrum dominance and senior personnel like Major General John Barry identify a range of technologies relevant to that role including obscurants, chemicals, super-caustics,
super lubricants; foam, pulsing lights, infra-sound, high power microwave and entanglements. An early insight into the potential tactics to be used in new wars using these wepons was provided by Russell Glenn of The Rand Corporation in a presentation where he outlined their role in taking out super cities of more than ten million through selective dominance. Non combatant control was envisaged through using nonlethals such as calmatives to remove combatants out of areas where they could be used as human shields and the potential use of robots and foam guns to seal off selected parts of a megapolis.

There is a more recent overview which I can't locate right now, but it's been in the pipeline of American options for policing and military usage for a very long time. The mystery surrounding Havana Syndrome is what then seems completely incomphrensible as the US invented the technology they now seem to be perplexed over.

 

[jojojo]

There is a more recent overview which I can't locate right now, but it's been in the pipeline of American options for policing and military usage for a very long time. The mystery surrounding Havana Syndrome is what then seems completely incomphrensible as the US invented the technology they now seem to be perplexed over

Maybe it causes memory loss.

 

[Salt Bailly]

Maybe it causes memory loss.

I've suffered from this and can confirm that that's one of its many symptoms.

Effects usually begin showing themselves midway through the first bottle of Bacardi.

 

[berbatrick]

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[RedDevil@84]

What's this microwave attack theory?

 

[Salt Bailly]

What's this microwave attack theory?

Spoiler

 

[balaks]

mass delusions

This

 

[Zlatattack]

Explanation of what though?
The symptoms are varied. Is there any signature test? For covid we have PCRs and antibodies. Is there a consistent pattern (or any indication at all) reported from CT scans, biposies, X-rays, ear examinations, gene expression, environmental sampling,...?

"Hearing strange grating noises they perceived as coming from a specific direction. Some of them experienced it as a pressure, a vibration, or a sensation comparable to driving a car with the window partly rolled down "

sounds like their ears are blocked tbh, need some good decongestants and allergy meds.

They just need some good qawa. Maybe some haldi in warm milk. Will be right as rain.

 

[VorZakone]

And potentially another one. In Serbia:

A CIA officer was reportedly evacuated from Serbia in a possible case of so-called Havana syndrome after suffering serious injuries that were in line with the mysterious illness.

The Wall Street Journal, citing current and former U.S. officials, reported that the incident in Serbia, which occurred in recent weeks, is the latest in a string of such incidents caused by an unknown source and affecting American diplomats and intelligence officers.

Government officials and scientists reportedly believe the symptoms are cased by a type of directed-energy source and include dizziness, memory loss and other issues, according to the Journal.

https://thehill.com/policy/national...cuated-from-serbia-in-another-possible-havana

 

[UweBein]

Probably mental stressors more than anything else.
It can be a problem if you get a headache, migraine or similar and you attribute it to the microwaves. Next day, your colleague is doing the same and so forth. Now, everyone can attribute it to that - cause at the end, you never know, right?
It's a well documented psychological phenomenon.

 

[Simbo]

I'm mostly curious why the press are being told about these instances.

 

[HTG]

 

[UweBein]

I'm mostly curious why the press are being told about these instances.

True that!

 

[berbatrick]

Learnt this today from a podcast, found it reported in the WaPo, posting it apropos of nothing in particular:


If the vessel carrying John Glenn, first US man to orbit Earth, had failed, the Pentagon had a ready-made plan to fabricate evidence linking the failure to electronic weapons sabotage by Castro.

 

[nimic]

If the vessel carrying John Glenn, first US man to orbit Earth, had failed, the Pentagon had a ready-made plan to fabricate evidence linking the failure to electronic weapons sabotage by Castro.

My favourite Castro fact is that the CIA tried to poison his milkshake and replace his cigar with an exploding cigar.

 

[JPRouve]

My favourite Castro fact is that the CIA tried to poison his milkshake and replace his cigar with an exploding cigar.

Is Acme Corporation working for the CIA?

 

[Wednesday at Stoke]

If its happening in every country with a CIA mission, its probably one of their own equipment malfunctioning and they can't seem to pinpoint what it is. This is the same agency that was conducting proxy wars in Colombia where both sides were funded by the CIA with one not knowing about the other, so a tremendous waste of tax payer money is always a possibility.

 

[calodo2003]

Germany now...

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[nimic]

So this is all hysteria, right? Nobody is sitting in Germany attacking the US embassy with sonic waves. Why not do it everywhere, then? Why not do it to anyone else except specifically US embassy staff?

 

[VorZakone]

If its happening in every country with a CIA mission, its probably one of their own equipment malfunctioning and they can't seem to pinpoint what it is. This is the same agency that was conducting proxy wars in Colombia where both sides were funded by the CIA with one not knowing about the other, so a tremendous waste of tax payer money is always a possibility.

This seems to be the most likely explanation to me. Surely there's no way there are a couple of Sergey's or Igor's sitting in a van near every embassy directing microwaves at US diplomats.

 

[The Firestarter]

This seems to be the most likely explanation to me. Surely there's no way there are a couple of Sergey's or Igor's sitting in a van near every embassy directing microwaves at US diplomats.

Well, something like this has already happened before it would seem
Moscow Signal

 

[calodo2003]

This seems to be the most likely explanation to me. Surely there's no way there are a couple of Sergey's or Igor's sitting in a van near every embassy directing microwaves at US diplomats.

Not every, but some isn't out of the possible.