Havana Syndrome | New links to Russia

[spiriticon]

Sounds like Reaper indoctrination

 

[MarylandMUFan]

Listened to a Science Vs. podcast on this and they came away with this being just psychosomatic. It was an interesting listen and they came away with just no evidence to support something external causing this.

 

[VeevaVee]

I'm sure the CIA hasn't considered any of the things mentioned here

 

[The Firestarter]

I'm sure the CIA hasn't considered any of the things mentioned here

I am sure the CIA has never lied about anything ever.

 

[nimic]

CIA, famously honest organization.

 

[VeevaVee]

I am sure the CIA has never lied about anything ever.

No one here has even mention lying. They're coming up with reasons why they're wrong about it at face value. Clever clogs that they are.

 

[nimic]

Watch this hour long YouTube video because I told you to

 

[berbatrick]

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[Amar__]

I am surprised with lack of @Wibble in this thread.

 

[Dr. Dwayne]

Have any of these CIA people thought about strapping frozen meals to their heads as a defence?

 

[nimic]

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Here comes the party.

 

[Iker Quesadillas]

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Email exchanges between CIA public affairs officers and Ken Dilanian, now an Associated Press intelligence reporter who previously covered the CIA for the Times, show that Dilanian enjoyed a closely collaborative relationship with the agency, explicitly promising positive news coverage and sometimes sending the press office entire story drafts for review prior to publication.

 

[Wibble]

I am surprised with lack of @Wibble in this thread.

There doesn't seem to be any more evidence to date. Even of the original symptoms were real now that it is a thing the latest events could be partly or wholly psychosomatic. Or not.

 

[Amar__]

There doesn't seem to be any more evidence to date. Even of the original symptoms were real now that it is a thing the latest events could be partly or wholly psychosomatic. Or not.

This thread is now fulfilled.

 

[dal]

Could this not be made up to pile pressure on Russia, I mean they do invade our seas regularly.

 

[Brophs]

Come on, people. Think. If this was the Russians then it’d be called something like Moscow Syndrome.

 

[Blodssvik]

If Ken Dilanian was russian his tweets would come with a disclaimer.

 

[VorZakone]

Recent article from the NYT from a couple of days ago. No clear explanation yet, some think stress, some think Russia.

WASHINGTON — For months, the C.I.A. and government scientists have been working to find a cause of the chronic ailments reported by intelligence officers and diplomats — but the health incidents, known as the Havana syndrome, remain as mysterious now as they were a year ago.

Intelligence officials have not found any hard evidence that points to a cause. There are no intelligence intercepts implicating an adversarial spy service. No one has detected microwaves, other readings of energy pulses or any other weapons that could be to blame.

Some officials say they remain convinced Russia is involved. And the C.I.A. director, William J. Burns, delivered a warning during his trip to Moscow this month: If Russia was found to be responsible, there would be consequences.

The trouble developing evidence shows the difficulty of the problem, and suggests that absent a big breakthrough — evidence of someone using a device or an informant telling the C.I.A. about what is afoot — getting answers will be a slow, frustrating and potentially contentious process, especially for those who have been afflicted.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/02/us/politics/havana-syndrome.html

 

[hungrywing]

Recent article from the NYT from a couple of decades ago. No clear explanation yet, some think stress, some think Russia...

This poster is a photon.

 

[VorZakone]

This poster is a photon.

Oops.

 

[calodo2003]

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[VorZakone]

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Again?

 

[nimic]

My money is on mass hysteria.

 

[Raulduke]

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[nimic]

Whaaat no way

 

[Wibble]

Looks like the earlier statement was to prevent psychosomatic cases and not a denial that something happened.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/feb/02/havana-syndrome-concealable-devices-cia-report

 

[VorZakone]

Exclusive: Dozens of CIA officers accuse intel agency of soft-pedaling its ‘Havana Syndrome’ investigation

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As many as three dozen current and former CIA officers have gone to the House and Senate Intelligence Committees over the past year to raise concerns that a CIA task force has been soft-pedaling its investigation into a mysterious illness impacting agency officers and diplomats known colloquially as “Havana Syndrome,” sources tell CNN.

The sheer scope of the outreach to Capitol Hill, which has not been previously reported, exposes a growing frustration among victims that the intelligence community still hasn’t gotten to the bottom of a mysterious illness that first surfaced six years ago when a cluster of US government personnel stationed in the Cuban capital city began reporting symptoms consistent with head trauma, including dizziness and extreme headaches.

Similar symptoms have since presented in US personnel stationed around the world.

In a January interim report, the CIA determined that a majority of reported cases could be explained by known means. But about two dozen cases remain unexplained, which the government vaguely refers to as “anomalous health incidents.”

“There’s just no answer,” said one House Intelligence Committee member briefed on the CIA task force’s work. “They’ve done an immense amount of work, literally spreadsheeting every catastrophic set of symptoms down to the headache and there’s just nothing. None.”

Among the complaints lodged by CIA officers over the past year is that the agency task force isn’t doing enough to run down legitimate leads that might expose who or what is causing these strange episodes.

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/10/05/...havana-syndrome-mysterious-illness/index.html

 

[Beans]

Surely the CIA know all about messing with people's heads with electromagnetic energy from MKULTRA.

 

[nimic]

I'm still not at all convinced this is actually real. The first one might have been something.

 

[moses]

It's probably just guilt.

 

[phelans shorts]

I'm still not at all convinced this is actually real. The first one might have been something.

I’m fairy certain it isn’t. Nor was the first. It’s just the modern equivalent of dancing plagues and whatnot.

 

[VeevaVee]

Love how certain people are, based on nowt

 

[nimic]

Love how certain people are, based on nowt

Damn, you're right. We should just shut down the forum, to be honest. We're all having opinions about stuff we don't know anything about, it's unconscionable.

 

[VeevaVee]

Damn, you're right. We should just shut down the forum, to be honest. We're all having opinions about stuff we don't know anything about, it's unconscionable.

Being certain about things with zero information or knowledge is what's daft, not having an opinion on it.

I think I'd be more inclined to believe the people in the CIA who are risking looking incapable of doing their job.

 

[VanDeBank]

It's the new Red Scare supported by dubious medical information. If someone in Qanon spoke about microwave weapons they would justifiably be laughed the feck out of the room. Why would India be using militarised microwave technology on US diplomats? It's bullshit.

Maybe you shouldn't laugh? I honestly thought it was common knowledge waves in certain frequencies can be used as weapons. Its in India, doesnt mean India is the only possible culprit.

 

[nimic]

Trusting the CIA

 

[phelans shorts]

Being certain about things with zero information or knowledge is what's daft, not having an opinion on it.

I think I'd be more inclined to believe the people in the CIA who are risking looking incapable of doing their job.

I sure hope that you have never questioned a football managers selection, because that would be very hypocritical of you.

There’s no evidence for any kind of attack, however there is many historical examples of mass hysteria events, from the aforementioned dancing plagues, to the June Bug outbreaks, to the Singapore factories of the 70’s.

Personally I’m always inclined to follow the evidence.

 

[Raoul]

Maybe you shouldn't laugh? I honestly thought it was common knowledge waves in certain frequencies can be used as weapons. Its in India, doesnt mean India is the only possible culprit.

Its probably a compact directed energy weapon developed by the Russians. It could be small and discrete, which would make it very easy to use on people from set distances, and would of course also make it ideal for use in any country where there is a Russian embassy (ie. FSB/GRU presence). Just have a couple of operatives (such as the two Skripal guys) hide within reach of foreign diplomats/embassies and use at will.

 

[Sweet Square]

I think I'd be more inclined to believe the people in the CIA who are risking looking incapable of doing their job.

Nice one. I needed a laugh after seeing the city result.

 

[VeevaVee]

Trusting the CIA

Predictably crap response. Them reporting themselves feeling unwell couldn't be more different to them lying about what they've done in the field on a global level. Drawing parallels with them being generally untrustworthy is dim. It's an entirely different scenario from a completely angle. There's absolutely nothing for those CIA members to gain from it and plenty to lose.

In a world where intelligence agencies can enter a western country and smear a small amount of a chemical on a door handle in an attempt to kill someone, it's not exactly a flat earth level conspiracy to assume there may be something, chemical or otherwise, that can make someone feel a bit dizzy.