Let’s say they get punted to League 1, you don’t reckon some of those players would stay for, say, double or quadruple what they’re currently on? I think the age of the player would play a factor, personally: very young or old, and they’d do two years, but in their prime years, it’s a bigger ask and sell. A player like Haaland would be acme acres gone like a puff of smoke, I think, but others? They’d have a lot more to think about and evaluate.
City and Financial Doping | Charged by PL with 130 FFP breaches | Hearing begins 16th Sep 2024 | Concluded 9th Dec 2024 - Awaiting outcome
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This is under the assumption that they're all being paid double their salaries under the table right?
Because, why else would a player play for City ahead of United/Liverpool/Arsenal with their vast history?
Right. Assumption. *taps nose
30 point deduction and 100M fine. Liverpool will win the league and City will secure champions league football by retaining the trophy.
Hence the footnote!
Some would surely stay. But two years would put you at risk of missing on an international tournament, not everyone will be down for that.
I'm down with the fines, relegations and stripping of titles but, on top of that, it should be mandatory that Curly Watts replaces Pep. Anything less and what's the point?
Still don’t believe anything significant will happen to them.
It is too late now, they are big too fail. Others teams were happy to take their money for mediocre players (Santa Cruz, Bony, Lescot, Rodwell ect.) so they shouldn't complain. You reap what you sow.
Happened with Chelsea and it will repeat with Newcastle.
I've got a suspicion the Everton ruling and severity of the punishment is to prepare the way for something even stiffer for city.
Could also be a move to test the waters of legal pushback. If a legal shitstorm happens because of evertons 10 points then they might reel in a massive punishment on city and let them off with a fine or something.
If City are as innocent as they say and have all this proof they claim to have why are they actively taking steps to prevent the case being heard instead of letting it be heard and clearing their name?
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I'm thinking what is realistic. I think there is no chance of any punitive pushiments for them or for Chelsea. Now I think about it I think we may see them stripped of their titles so the PL can have an excuse for not banishing two of the biggest clubs.
I've always thought about this. Literally none of their big names were poached by big clubs. The club either willingly sold them or it was free transfer. Then again it's crazy that no player even tried to force a move to one of the Spanish giants. If true, the agents were complicit and had actively warded off other clubs in exchange for money. Only way it makes sense.
I think a large percentage of their wage will be related to bonus payments too, i.e. does a win bonus still count in the third tier? Would they still be paid a goal bonus in the vanarama (given they'd be scoring 8 goals a game, too)? Presumably there's UCL win bonuses, FA cup bonuses, etc etc.
But there are also financial rules in the Football League and without the huge TV and prize money, City wouldn’t be able to pay big wages and comply with those rules ……… unless they were to make secret payments to the players!!!
There’s no doubt some would have a reason to leave, but the contracts some of them are on are going to go far beyond what they can get elsewhere and it’s a big ask to give that up. A really big ask. What I was thinking, from City’s POV, is loaning players out, Chelsea style for a period of time if they don’t want to let them go and the player has given an allegiance of sorts to remain under their employment. You’d like to think any penalty would prevent those kind of manoeuvres, but I’m sure City would be scouring options should the worst happen.
What’s also interesting to consider is City’s academy, which is just superb and a conveyor belt of talent. There’ll be a serious scramble for those players. What would be the incentive for those players to stay if not enormous sums of money?
Contract renegotiations ahoy.
Until about 2017, Real Madrid and Barcelona had better squads than City; they wouldn't have been too interested in those players.
Then after that Barcelona's been broke since 2020 or so and Real Madrid haven't made too many signings.
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Because they're talking out their arse
Do you only buy players from teams who have better squads than you?
I have looked at the rosters but I would assume there were players at certain positions that would improve Barcelone or Madrid. City already had a world-class squad at that point.
Broom and rug shall have a cup of tea and City will retain their trophies.
You can’t hold that against other teams, that’s unfair
If they got relegated, I would assume most of their squad would be pushing for transfers. A big selling point to coming to City is playing in the PL and UCL. Relegation would force City to start from scratch.
The more I think about it the more I believe this line of reasoning. The size of City, the tarnish of the reputation of English football, pressure from British lawmakers, and a drawn-out legal battle will see them given a slap on the wrist at most. The real question is the response of the other clubs to potential or enforced punishment or lack thereof. Short of the other clubs threatening to sue or to join the ESL I can't see anything stopping a very lenient punishment.
Sad state of affairs for English football.
Well that's the argument, yes, that RM/Barcelona/Bayern should have bought City's top players because they were cream of the crop.
Barcelona bought Suarez instead of Aguero. Suarez is a better player and an easier buy (Liverpool not being very competitive at the time). Real Madrid after 2013 didn't really want competition for Benzema so they didn't sign any top strker. Bayern signed Lewandowski on a free. Nothing too mysterious here.
Silva moved to England because there wasn't much interest from RM or Barcelona at the time, he was seen as inferior to Xavi, Iniesta, Fabregas, Alonso. He was 24, so in a few years he'd be a 27-year-old playing for a big club and harder to buy than player of a similar age, like Modric who was "just" at Spurs.
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The 30 points wouldn't be any year soon. Klopp would be long gone by the time it happens. Obviously Pep too.
There would be but once you consider quality relative to other players, difficulty in signing from a top club, etc. then it's probably not worth it.
English football is already tarnished.
Just the same as Italy in the past and Spain for the last 20 years by the sounds of it.
The less said about FIFA the better…….full of dodgy people taking brown envelopes.
If we want to really do things right we have to come down on city and Chelsea like the proverbial ton of bricks.
I have no confidence this will actually happen though…….
Don't you think an even bigger selling point is earning multiple times your declared wage?
It's more likely City, "treble-winners" don't have to pay new signings what they paid players during their ascension, but that's not relevant to those who are already there.
Bolded. It would depend on how many relegations, or the terms of re-entry to the PL, and also whether City didn't cheat again (imo).
If they don’t get a very strong punishment it is 100% the final nail in the coffin for the integrity of the premier league. If they get off lightly then the Saudis at Newcastle will do exactly the same, probably worse because they know there will be no repercussions.
Nah, they'll just pay them through the Saudi league first, then loan over what Newcastle need
Will be banned soon
Worth posting this again
Their strategy so far has been to jam the courts asking to disallow evidence obtained by Der Spiegel on the grounds that it was acquired through secret channels while intensively lobbying the tories to give them a get out of jail free card. I hope they get relegated to non-league status.
Another industry that has yet to be spoken about that the City ruling with an enormous impact on is betting. How many billions have been spent/lost/paid out on games involving City? And what happens in the event that City are found guilty?
@Brophs or any other lawyery types this side of the pond.
@Brophs or any other lawyery types this side of the pond.
To me, this is is a big part of why City are going down.
The guilt was already proved but CAS let them off because of time bar.
It now doesn’t matter that the proof was illegally obtained, it is now on the record as being factual.
The only REAL obstacle is the UK Government and if they block it then they look as corrupt as they are and we might all be better off looking for something fair to watch
Fair point. It's just for literally every other club bar below the tier of Madrid, Barcelona, and Bayern you hear credible reports of other teams attempting to poach their players. Since the City project started I can't even think of one instance.
Everton cooperated as well, City have done anything but.They haven't handed over their accounts since 2018 apparently that on its own is serious enough to dock pts regardless of the 115 charges.