Coropa League - SF 2nd Leg - 2mufc0 vs Indnyc

[GodShaveTheQueen]

....................................................2MUFC0..........................................................................................................................INDNYC

TEAM 2MUFC0

Starting at the back Sammer retains his Balon d'Or role conducting from the back and surging forward when the opportunities arise. He's partnered by Kohler recreating one of the most successful defensive partnerships and covered by another no nonsense stopper in Gentile, the back three contain athleticism, strength and world class defensive skills and will be a nightmare to play against. Both wing backs are defensively sound and Brehme in particular provide one of the main attacking threats down the left wing, Crespo will enjoy feeding off his crosses as well as Platini from central areas.

Platini is given a free role to run riot backed up by a solid base in midfield, the movement of Crespo and Rivaldo will be fully utilised by Platini's vision and passing. Crespo's strength will also be utilised with both Platini and Rivaldo being able to combine and play off his wold class hold up play.

TEAM INDNYC

Diego Maradona is given a platform to shine with 3 outstanding goal scorers up front with Redondo and Vieira forming a double Pivot

 

[GodShaveTheQueen]

good luck @2mufc0 @Indnyc

 

[2mufc0]

No comments on this one yet?

@Indnyc any info on Kalle playing as CF?

 

[Gio]

No comments on this one yet?

@Indnyc any info on Kalle playing as CF?

How are you defending against Indnyc's front three? Any specific man-to-man instructions or more zonal?

 

[2mufc0]

How are you defending against Indnyc's front three? Any specific man-to-man instructions or more zonal?

There's a lot of movement in that front 3 so I wouldn't man mark, Kohler and Gentile are great at stopping whoever is in their zone, I wouldn't want them to get dragged around leaving space behind to get exploited.

I was waiting on Indnyc response regarding Kalle, but imo he could work there as a false nine but not a traditional 9. So if he's playing false 9 he will be stepping on Diego's toes behind him.

 

[Indnyc]

No comments on this one yet?

@Indnyc any info on Kalle playing as CF?

He's playing nominally as a CF but more of a roaming one. His role is to disorient the opposition defense, go wider as needed, and most importantly - link up with the wide forwards + Maradona

I don't think he would interfere with Maradona even when he drops slightly deeper as i believe both players are intelligent enough to make it work effectively

 

[GodShaveTheQueen]

2mufc0's team is a bang on kryptonite to stop everything Indy's attack has to offer.

The wide CB's for the wing forwards, Edwards/Bastian for Diego and Sammer for Kalle.

While I do love Vicidic-Carvalho, the midfield does need a top notch destroyer IMO considering the central nature of the Platini-Rivaldo-Crespo attack.

You can't really complain about a Redondo-Vieira midfield, but I would have preferred someone like an Edwards being present there.

Rijkaard from the other leg would have been perfect here and probably would have won my vote for Indy for the higher quality in attack.

As it stands, 2mufc0 takes my vote for this tie.

 

[GodShaveTheQueen]

He's playing nominally as a CF but more of a roaming one. His role is to disorient the opposition defense, go wider as needed, and most importantly - link up with the wide forwards + Maradona

I don't think he would interfere with Maradona even when he drops slightly deeper as i believe both players are intelligent enough to make it work effectively

Agreed. With Stoichkov and Hamrin, I think a roamer is much better to have rather than a proper No.9

 

[Synco]

@Indnyc any info on Kalle playing as CF?

He's playing nominally as a CF but more of a roaming one. His role is to disorient the opposition defense, go wider as needed, and most importantly - link up with the wide forwards + Maradona

I don't think he would interfere with Maradona even when he drops slightly deeper as i believe both players are intelligent enough to make it work effectively

Agree with Indy here - he surely shouldn't be used as a lone target man in a setup with lots of crosses. But in this setup, with lots of interplay between the front four, I can see him being a great fit in a Suarez kind of role

 

[harms]

I've seen Kalle play up front many times, he's going to be brilliant there. What I don't like is that there are basically 3 players in front of Maradona, the way to maximise his influence while moving away from 3-5-2 is to move him further forward, not further back. Something is just off about that front 4 (and it's not Kalle).

 

[GodShaveTheQueen]

I've seen Kalle play up front many times, he's going to be brilliant there. What I don't like is that there are basically 3 players in front of Maradona, the way to maximise his influence while moving away from 3-5-2 is to move him further forward, not further back. Something is just off about that front 4 (and it's not Kalle).

I'd say this stems from the fact that he played in underdog teams all his life. No one has really ever seen Diego play in stacked attacks and that was not because it hindered him.

I think if the team can dominate proceedings and hold on to the ball, he can run riot in this sort of a setup.

I'd hate with a traditional wing based setup of course.

 

[2mufc0]

Agree with Indy here - he surely shouldn't be used as a lone target man in a setup with lots of crosses. But in this setup, with lots of interplay between the front four, I can see him being a great fit in a Suarez kind of role

Fair enough, tbh I haven't seen much of Kalle as a centre forward so can't really comment on his suitability, I always had him down as a wing forward.

But it does make me a bit more confident in the tie as his attack is very centralised and frankly they are facing a brick wall in the middle of my team. Out wide I'm not too worried about those full backs.

 

[Synco]

But it does make me a bit more confident in the tie as his attack is very centralised and frankly they are facing a brick wall in the middle of my team. Out wide I'm not too worried about those full backs.

Yeah, I think that's working in your favour.

 

[Gio]

I've seen Kalle play up front many times, he's going to be brilliant there. What I don't like is that there are basically 3 players in front of Maradona, the way to maximise his influence while moving away from 3-5-2 is to move him further forward, not further back. Something is just off about that front 4 (and it's not Kalle).

Yeah, he's absolutely fine as a number 9, it's more through drafts that we've become accustomed to him being primarily a right-sided attacker I reckon.

Agree on Maradona being a touch too far away from goal. Although I'm kinda getting used to the over-attacking teams being the norm in the drafts at the moment. I think a couple of the recent drafts were won by teams sporting similar almost 4-2-4 set-ups.

 

[Indnyc]

I've seen Kalle play up front many times, he's going to be brilliant there. What I don't like is that there are basically 3 players in front of Maradona, the way to maximise his influence while moving away from 3-5-2 is to move him further forward, not further back. Something is just off about that front 4 (and it's not Kalle).

Yeah, he's absolutely fine as a number 9, it's more through drafts that we've become accustomed to him being primarily a right-sided attacker I reckon.

Agree on Maradona being a touch too far away from goal. Although I'm kinda getting used to the over-attacking teams being the norm in the drafts at the moment. I think a couple of the recent drafts were won by teams sporting similar almost 4-2-4 set-ups.

Maradona is being given a lot of freedom here with a solid defensive double pivot behind him.. In a modern formations i believe this or the furthermost of a midfield 3 in 4-3-3 is his best position.. I don't see this as overly attacking lineup..

If i had someone like Robson instead of Vieira there and i could understand the argument

 

[2mufc0]

He never gets picked in these drafts so would like to put some spotlight on Crespo, took a trip down memory lane and watched a few of his videos and reminded me he was quite the player. Left foot, right foot, headers, in the box outside the box screamers he scored them all. I think he would relish Brehme and Platini's crosses and general service.

 

[Physiocrat]

I like Diego behind that front three. It gives him so many passing options, much more than in a 352. Stoichkov is reasonably hardworking and Hamrin did a little off the ball too. With Redondo and Vieira behind it is a great front 6. The question is though can the Redondo Vieria axis stop Platini there I am not too sure.

 

[Indnyc]

I like Diego behind that front three. It gives him so many passing options, much more than in a 352. Stoichkov is reasonably hardworking and Hamrin did a little off the ball too. With Redondo and Vieira behind it is a great front 6. The question is though can the Redondo Vieria axis stop Platini there I am not too sure.

Honestly I don’t think it is inadequate.. Don’t think anyone can truly stop him but 2 solid defensive players will certainly slow him down.. Especially given that the main creativity comes only from him..

I think both teams will score.. My superior forward line though should give me an edge

 

[2mufc0]

Honestly I don’t think it is inadequate.. Don’t think anyone can truly stop him but 2 solid defensive players will certainly slow him down.. Especially given that the main creativity comes only from him..

I think both teams will score.. My superior forward line though should give me an edge

Vieira was a balanced midfielder but i would say he was slightly better in attack at his peak, it's why he always had a DM next to him during his best form whether it was Petit, Gilberto Silva or Makalele for France. Redondo was decent in defence too but i wouldn't call either defensive powerhouses, you need a specialist to deal with someone like Platini and he's set to have a good game against these two.

On the other hand Maradona is up against 3 players who were exceptional defensively, Schweinsteiger, Edwards and Sammer you can't say Platini does not have it easier here. Then you have Sammer's partners who are proven against GOAT attackers, it should go some way to blunt your attack.

 

[Synco]

Redondo was decent in defence too but i wouldn't call either defensive powerhouses, you need a specialist to deal with someone like Platini and he's set to have a good game against these two.

In my eyes, Redondo + Vieira is absolutely fine defensively, and I'm still not convinced teams need a dedicated destroyer to play against a #10. As I see it, a large part of defending is limiting space, time & options for the opposition, and I think Indy's team is set up very well as a collective in that regard.

That doesn't mean Platini won't have his influence on the game, but if Indy's midfield would be seen as problematic, we would - in my eyes - enter draft hyperbole territory.

That said, I think your midfield duo is absolutely brilliant against the ball, as is your defensive unit as a whole. So imo it's still an advantage for you overall.

 

[2mufc0]

In my eyes, Redondo + Vieira is absolutely fine defensively, and I'm still not convinced teams need a dedicated destroyer to play against a #10. As I see it, a large part of defending is limiting space, time & options for the opposition, and I think Indy's team is set up very well as a collective in that regard.

That doesn't mean Platini won't have his influence on the game, but if Indy's midfield would be seen as problematic, we would - in my eyes - enter draft hyperbole territory.

That said, I think your midfield duo is absolutely brilliant against the ball, as is your defensive unit as a whole. So imo it's still an advantage for you overall.

I didn't say they couldn't do a job i just don't see it as optimal both of his midfielders played with another DM usually and this shouldn't be ignored, in my eyes Platini has an easier job.

 

[harms]

I like Diego behind that front three. It gives him so many passing options, much more than in a 352. Stoichkov is reasonably hardworking and Hamrin did a little off the ball too.

Pretty much nothing from what I've seen of him.

 

[Šjor Bepo]

only watched one game of Hamrin and he was one of the most hardworking players on the pitch

 

[Gio]

In my eyes, Redondo + Vieira is absolutely fine defensively, and I'm still not convinced teams need a dedicated destroyer to play against a #10. As I see it, a large part of defending is limiting space, time & options for the opposition, and I think Indy's team is set up very well as a collective in that regard.

That doesn't mean Platini won't have his influence on the game, but if Indy's midfield would be seen as problematic, we would - in my eyes - enter draft hyperbole territory.

That said, I think your midfield duo is absolutely brilliant against the ball, as is your defensive unit as a whole. So imo it's still an advantage for you overall.

Agree with that. Redondo and Vieira is not too dissimilar to Petit/Vieira who dovetailed really well together and accentuated Vieira's qualities.

 

[Enigma_87]

Indnyc front 6 look fantastic. Redondo could drop in the hole and Vieira would be in his zone. Stoichkov is hardworking indeed and from what I've seen of Hamrin - too. Nilton and McGrain can play a reserved role bringing balance to the team.