Cristiano Ronaldo - Much Ado About Al Nassr

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Weird amount of hate for without doubt one the best players, most professional players and most entertaining players to ever play the game.
I'd say his behaviour towards the end of his United career will do that to a player's legacy.
 

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Funny that people can claim to dislike him as a person and the rewriting of his achievements and performances for Utd in here are laughable.

He was a great player and he doesn't get enough credit for how he had to transform his game after his knee problems. To go from that skinny winger to the physical freak and lethal striker he ended up being is one hell of a turn around.
Ronadlo doesn't get enough credit?

How many more plaudits and awards can one man need.
 

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Ronadlo doesn't get enough credit?

How many more plaudits and awards can one man need.
He deserves loads more.

To start out as a winger and become the most lethal finisher in the history of the game, just shows how dedicated and intelligent a footballer he is. There aren't many players who have totally changed their playstyle due to injury and become even better.
 

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He deserves loads more.

To start out as a winger and become the most lethal finisher in the history of the game, just shows how dedicated and intelligent a footballer he is. There aren't many players who have totally changed their playstyle due to injury and become even better.
That never happened.
 

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He deserves loads more.

To start out as a winger and become the most lethal finisher in the history of the game, just shows how dedicated and intelligent a footballer he is. There aren't many players who have totally changed their playstyle due to injury and become even better.
Gerd Müller wants a word with you.
 

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That never happened.
Yeah it did.

Closing in on 900 goals... an average of 0.7 goals per game over 20 years? What else would consider someone the most lethal finisher in the history of the game?

Gerd Müller wants a word with you.
Is he the most clinical striker ever? Is he the best natural goalscorer? Perhaps not. There's also many an argument to be had over whether or not he's one of the best players ever, I don't consider him to be top 5, top 10? It's a matter of opinion.

When it comes to goalscoring, he's the best goalscorer on record in the history of the game. You can't argue with that.
 

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Yeah it did.

Closing in on 900 goals... an average of 0.7 goals per game over 20 years? What else would consider someone the most lethal finisher in the history of the game?
Are Aguero, Salah and Mbappé more lethal finishers than Ronaldo Nazário or Henry?

Going by goalscoring record can be misleading. Different eras, different partners, etc. Many forwards had better shooting precision and 1vs1 against the goalkeeper than CR7; it's not even necessary to appeal to Gerd Muller.
 

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You are mistaking performances with goals. Yes he scored goals but his performances really weren't great as I said until the run in; he spent most of the season sulking because he did not get his move to Madrid. Infact, there were arguments that Rooney was actually better during that same time.

If you take a look at stats (since that is what typically Ronaldo is mostly about), without penalties, he actually had less goals+assists per 90 minutes than Rooney. See below.

https://fbref.com/en/squads/19538871/2008-2009/s338/Manchester-United-Stats

The season player ratings from one of the newspapers:
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/foot...paign=continue_reading_button#google_vignette

I think a game that defined his season up until March/April was vs Aston villa. Scored 2 crucial goals, but was very poor otherwise.
Well that was probably his worst season during his peak period. Still managed to finished as 2nd top goalscorer in PL and came 2nd in Ballon D’or, which isn’t too bad for a player who is supposed to sulk and playing poorly.
 

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Weird amount of hate for without doubt one the best players, most professional players and most entertaining players to ever play the game.
He can be all of that, but also at the same time one big cnut of a person, his achievements do not magically erase that, so yeah, feck him.
 

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He deserves loads more.

To start out as a winger and become the most lethal finisher in the history of the game, just shows how dedicated and intelligent a footballer he is. There aren't many players who have totally changed their playstyle due to injury and become even better.
He's got statues, awards coming out of his ears, a huge fanbase, a huge fortune, 1000's of people cheering his name every week since he was 20.

He kicks a ball around for a living. I'm pretty sure he's had more than enough rewards.
 

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He's got statues, awards coming out of his ears, a huge fanbase, a huge fortune, 1000's of people cheering his name every week since he was 20.

He kicks a ball around for a living. I'm pretty sure he's had more than enough rewards.
Exactly, he's been set for life since his early 20s and he's one of the most admired people in the world. His family will probably be rich for several generations too.
 

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Always find it weird that he didnt go to MLS and chose SA. He will be more popular than Messi there. Wouldnt surprise if he retires in US.
I'm not sure what's the latest on his lawsuit over rape allegations in the US, but I am pretty certain it ruled out any past and future move to the States.
 

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Is he the most clinical striker ever? Is he the best natural goalscorer? Perhaps not. There's also many an argument to be had over whether or not he's one of the best players ever, I don't consider him to be top 5, top 10? It's a matter of opinion.

When it comes to goalscoring, he's the best goalscorer on record in the history of the game. You can't argue with that.
So you are saying that Gerd Müller is „the best goalscorer in the history of the game“ but he is not „the best natural goalscorer“ or „the most clinical striker“.
That doesn’t even make sense. You should look at clips of Müller playing and then take a look at his records against top teams (he didn’t play minions in WC, EC and the respective qualifiers) and then at his goal ratio (For Germany 68 goals in 62 games).
 

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What's he done that makes him a bad person?

All his charity work ? Real Madrid's Cristiano Ronaldo has long list of charity contributions - ESPN

People often mistake things like arrogance or stubbornness for being bad.
There is absolutely no reason to think someone who's doing charity and philanthropy work can't be a bad person. Oftentimes it's just a PR stunt and reputation laundering. The Sackler family, responsible for the opioid crisis, Russian oligarchs linked with Putin, dodgy crypto exchanges and numerous organised crime syndicates have all been doing highly visible and flashy charity acts and donations.
 

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So you are saying that Gerd Müller is „the best goalscorer in the history of the game“ but he is not „the best natural goalscorer“ or „the most clinical striker“.
That doesn’t even make sense. You should look at clips of Müller playing and then take a look at his records against top teams (he didn’t play minions in WC, EC and the respective qualifiers) and then at his goal ratio (For Germany 68 goals in 62 games).
No, I was talking about Ronaldo, he may may not be the most natural finisher or the most clinical finisher. There's lots of factors to consider, but you can't deny he's the greatest goalscorer on record. Gerd Muller has a great record, but you could also question the overall quality of the Bundesliga then, same way as you can question the quality of lower nations in international qualification today.

But, my main point was, for Ronaldo to still do what he has done while having to convert himself from a wide player to central striker because of his knee problem is something that no other player has done and stayed at the highest level for nearly 20 years. Remarkable player, doesn't get enough credit on here.
 

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I'm not sure what's the latest on his lawsuit over rape allegations in the US, but I am pretty certain it ruled out any past and future move to the States.
That case is closed, and has been for some time. There is nothing stopping him from going to the US if he wants to.

At the time it was reported that Kansas City FC were very close to matching Al Nassr's offer, but just fell short.
 

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No, I was talking about Ronaldo, he may may not be the most natural finisher or the most clinical finisher. There's lots of factors to consider, but you can't deny he's the greatest goalscorer on record. Gerd Muller has a great record, but you could also question the overall quality of the Bundesliga then, same way as you can question the quality of lower nations in international qualification today.
Of course I can deny it. It is only opinions after all. But it seems it'd be a pointless discussion with you. Have a nice day.
 

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Of course I can deny it. It is only opinions after all. But it seems it'd be a pointless discussion with you. Have a nice day.
You cannot deny he is the greatest goalscorer on record, because the record is there and he breaks it every time he scores a goal.

I'm not the one who brought up Gerd Muller. I'm not sure why you felt the need to bring him into it at all. I genuinely don't know what kind of discussion you were expecting.
 

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Why would you believe someone accused's lawyers more than a reputable newspaper? Outside of wanting them to be right of course.

I could also include his conviction for tax fraud if you need another thing he's done to be labeled a bad person.
Why would you believe *hacked* documents? At any rate, I just gave the same silly response you gave. Just a link.

The tax case isn't really that interesting - there was a huge crackdown at certain loopholes at the time - which (rightfully so) ended with big fines for Ronaldo, Mourinho, Messi and other profiles. Case closed.
 

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Why would you believe *hacked* documents?
Because they've been thoroughly verified by, once again, a reputable newspaper used to working with much more sensitive information than a footballer's court case? It's not really a hard concept to grasp.

I won't respond further as I am not interested in a back and forth on such a simple subject, and I don't intend to derail the thread with this - I was just answering to another poster's inquiry.
 

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Because they've been thoroughly verified by, once again, a reputable newspaper used to working with much more sensitive information than a footballer's court case? It's not really a hard concept to grasp.

I won't respond further as I am not interested in a back and forth on such a simple subject, and I don't intend to derail the thread with this - I was just answering to another poster's inquiry.
Good of you. Consider your apology accepted :)
 

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Is he the most clinical striker ever? Is he the best natural goalscorer? Perhaps not. There's also many an argument to be had over whether or not he's one of the best players ever, I don't consider him to be top 5, top 10? It's a matter of opinion.

When it comes to goalscoring, he's the best goalscorer on record in the history of the game. You can't argue with that.
He's not even the best goalscorer in his generation, let alone all time. Messi has got more league top goal-scorer awards, Golden Shoes, a better World Cup goalscoring record, a higher goal ratio in both league and Champions League per game, and a bunch of unbeatable records like scoring 91 goals in a calendar year, having the most goals in top-5 European leagues, and the most goals ever in a single league season. Loads of people think Messi is the better goalscorer, hands down.

Comparing him to Gerd Muller is just absurd. Muller was the top goalscorer in the 1970 World Cup with 10 goals, scoring in every knockout stage match and netting the winning goals in the 1974 World Cup final and semi-final. In Euro 72, Muller scored twice in both the semi-finals and finals, leading Germany to victory with the highest goal tally. These are achievements Ronaldo can only dream of. He was a 4-time CL top goal-scorer and had tons of legendary records like most goals in a calendar year, most goals in WC etc.

Also, Muller played in just 2 World Cups and one Euro having huge influence on each tournament, while Ronaldo's been in the game for 5 Euros and 5 World Cups regularly underperforming. Muller's scoring rate with the national team is 1.1 goals per game, literally double Ronaldo's. Plus, Muller didn't get the chance to face teams like Liechtenstein, Azerbaijan, Andorra, Faroe, Kazakhstan – you know, Ronaldo's favorite opponents – because these teams weren't around in Muller's time.

You can't become the greatest goalscorer of all time with 0 knockout goals in in 5 World Cups and a total of 3 goals in 19 knockout games in 5 Euros and 5 World Cups. These are the stats of an all time flop.

Not to mention, that supposed "greatest goalscorer of all time" could only win league top goalscorer award once in the last 9 years. In the same period, Messi finished the league 5-times as the top goalscorer.
 
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He deserves loads more.

To start out as a winger and become the most lethal finisher in the history of the game, just shows how dedicated and intelligent a footballer he is. There aren't many players who have totally changed their playstyle due to injury and become even better.

Not really, in fact it might have been the case if he didn't play with Real and for instance went from Man Utd to Juve, but since he excelled in the Big White Whale his legacy will be "forever" preserved (deservedly).

In fact in relation to his actual talent as a football player, not carreer, it's a bit over the top his consideration. Of course I mean it in comparison with that Uber talented group of normally called (in a very silly way) GOATS or other extremely gifted footballers that aren't in such group.
On the other hand, due to this comparison and maybe also as a reaction to the silly very over the top praise due to this social media era (and his own auto promotion) not few times his talent and ability it's some how stupidly diminished.

As a side note, I would change most lethal finisher (since this is related to games/goal ratio) for most prolific, or better say productive goalscorer.

Also there are lots of players that changed their roles during their carreers, some even doing more roles than him.
Many players too changed their style due to injuries/coaches/mere age/ etc. and some of them after even dealing with a lot more serious injury.
In fact as a side note, I would have say that more than better, those players tend to become more productive, or better said more focused on new assets to not loose their edge. I think this is also because it won't feel that wrong that regarding some aspects I preffer young CR, or young Maradona and R9 (obviously) than their older post injuries versions.
 
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I can't see how someone who watched Batistuta, R9 or Henry scoring goals could think that CR7 is a more lethal finisher than them.

The only things that are absolutely notable about him(I'm only considering elite forwards here, of course) are his jump and quick reactions inside the box; his shooting accuracy and technique or his coldness in front of the goalkeeper are nothing special(again, in the context we're talking about).
 

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He's not even the best goalscorer in his generation, let alone all time. Messi has got more league top goal-scorer awards, Golden Shoes, a better World Cup goalscoring record, a higher goal ratio in both league and Champions League per game, and a bunch of unbeatable records like scoring 91 goals in a calendar year, having the most goals in top-5 European leagues, and the most goals ever in a single league season. Loads of people think Messi is the better goalscorer, hands down.

Comparing him to Gerd Muller is just absurd. Muller was the top goalscorer in the 1970 World Cup with 10 goals, scoring in every knockout stage match and netting the winning goals in the 1974 World Cup final and semi-final. In Euro 72, Muller scored twice in both the semi-finals and finals, leading Germany to victory with the highest goal tally. These are achievements Ronaldo can only dream of. He was a 4-time CL top goal-scorer and had tons of legendary records like most goals in a calendar year, most goals in WC etc.

Also, Muller played in just 2 World Cups and one Euro having huge influence on each tournament, while Ronaldo's been in the game for 5 Euros and 5 World Cups regularly underperforming. Muller's scoring rate with the national team is 1.1 goals per game, literally double Ronaldo's. Plus, Muller didn't get the chance to face teams like Liechtenstein, Azerbaijan, Andorra, Faroe, Kazakhstan – you know, Ronaldo's favorite opponents – because these teams weren't around in Muller's time.

You can't become the greatest goalscorer of all time with 0 knockout goals in in 5 World Cups and a total of 3 goals in 19 knockout games in 5 Euros and 5 World Cups. These are the stats of an all time flop.

Not to mention, that supposed "greatest goalscorer of all time" could only win league top goalscorer award once in the last 9 years. In the same period, Messi finished the league 5-times as the top goalscorer.


Not really, in fact it might have been the case if he didn't play with Real and for instance went from Man Utd to Juve, but since he excelled in the Big White Whale his legacy will be "forever" preserved (deservedly).

In fact in relation to his actual talent as a football player, not carreer, it's a bit over the top his consideration. Of course I mean it in comparison with that Uber talented group of normally called (in a very silly way) GOATS or other extremely gifted footballers that aren't in such group.
On the other hand, due to this comparison and maybe also as a reaction to the silly very over the top praise due to this social media era (and his own auto promotion) not few times his talent and ability it's some how stupidly diminished.

As a side note, I would change most lethal finisher (since this is related to games/goal ratio) for most prolific, or better say productive goalscorer.

Also there are lots of players that changed their roles during their carreers, some even doing more roles than him.
Many players too changed their style due to injuries/coaches/mere age/ etc. and some of them after even dealing with a lot more serious injury.
In fact as a side note, I would have say that more than better, those players tend to become more productive, or better said more focused on new assets to not loose their edge. I think this is also because it won't feel that wrong that regarding some aspects I preffer young CR, or young Maradona and R9 (obviously) than their older post injuries versions.
Way too much crap. He's the most lethal finisher in the game and the greatest goalscorer on record. Why?

Because he's scored the most goals.

Really don't see how that's so hard for people to comprehend.

Enjoy.

 
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Way too much crap. He's the most lethal finisher in the game and the greatest goalscorer on record. Why?

Because he's scored the most goals.

Really don't see how that's so hard for people to comprehend.
Not everyone is very fond of simplistic views just because they make it easier to reach conclusions.
 

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Way too much crap. He's the most lethal finisher in the game and the greatest goalscorer on record. Why?

Because he's scored the most goals.

Really don't see how that's so hard for people to comprehend.
imagine thinking greatest and most lethal goalscorer=most goals. This logic suggests that a player with 101 goals in 200 games is greater and more lethal than another player with 100 goals in 100 games because 101>100.

Funny that most goals striker have 0 WC knockout goal in 5 WCs, greatest flop ever in the WC, and led the league only once in terms of most goals in the last 9 years. The most goals striker couldn't even achieve his dream of winning most Golden Shoes which he said once was better than Ballon D'or not to mention him being beaten in tons of other goal-scoring areas and records.
 
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Not everyone is very fond of simplistic views just because they make it easier to reach conclusions.
Just watch that video and come back in about 3 hours and tell me he's not a lethal finisher. That he doesn't you have the pace, athleticism, intelligence, anticipation, positioning, reactions, heading ability and finishing ability as good as if not better than any other striker ever.
 

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imagine thinking greatest and most lethal goalscorer=most goals. This logic suggests that a player with 101 goals in 200 games is greater and more lethal than another player with 100 goals in 100 games because 101>100.

Funny that most goals striker have 0 WC knockout goal in 5 WCs, greatest flop ever in the WC, and led the league only once in terms of most goals in the last 9 years. The most goals striker couldn't even achieve his dream of winning most Golden Shoes which he said once was better than Ballon D'or not to mention him being beaten in tons of other goal-scoring areas and records.
Ok, so the guy who has scored the most goals on record in the history of football isn't the greatest goalscorer the game has ever seen.
I'm not Ronaldo's biggest fan, but feck me, the levels people will go to try and discredit his ability is ridiculous.

You will more than likely never see another player like him ever again. Great player, great goalscorer and a scorer of great goals. It's been a joy to watch him and Messi over the last 10-15 years.
 

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imagine thinking greatest and most lethal goalscorer=most goals. This logic suggests that a player with 101 goals in 200 games is greater and more lethal than another player with 100 goals in 100 games because 101>100.

Funny that most goals striker have 0 WC knockout goal in 5 WCs, greatest flop ever in the WC, and led the league only once in terms of most goals in the last 9 years. The most goals striker couldn't even achieve his dream of winning most Golden Shoes which he said once was better than Ballon D'or not to mention him being beaten in tons of other goal-scoring areas and records.
But when making that argument, you should at least mention how many goals he has scored in the knock out stages in the CL, which is now arguably considered a bigger pedigree to a footballer than the WC.

Why do these arguments always end up like political discussions in the US? Either or.

It either sounds like Ronaldo has never missed a goal in his life, or that he is completely incapable of scoring. He's obviously one of the best players in the world of all time. Is he the best? That's up for debate, just as it is for Messi or anyone else in that elite level of players.

Is Ronaldo the best finisher? Hard to compare him to different eras. The game moves faster now, which also makes it harder to be as silky smooth a finisher as it was 50 years ago. Then again, the pitches are much better and the footballs are of much higher quality, so it makes it easier that way. He's definitely one of the best goalscorers of all time, considering the amount of goals he has scored. Taking into account that he didn't score all that many in his first few years at United and him playing as a winger, it makes it more impressive. The fact that he also scores such a variety of goals also makes him a great finisher. Is he the most clinical inside the box? Most likely not - that would probably be more of a RVN type of player (RVN more clinical than Henry? possibly, better player, no). But then again, RVN would never be able to score the same type of goals that Ronaldo has been capable of - how do you define greatest, most lethal or most clinical goal scorer?
 

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But when making that argument, you should at least mention how many goals he has scored in the knock out stages in the CL, which is now arguably considered a bigger pedigree to a footballer than the WC.

Why do these arguments always end up like political discussions in the US? Either or.

It either sounds like Ronaldo has never missed a goal in his life, or that he is completely incapable of scoring. He's obviously one of the best players in the world of all time. Is he the best? That's up for debate, just as it is for Messi or anyone else in that elite level of players.

Is Ronaldo the best finisher? Hard to compare him to different eras. The game moves faster now, which also makes it harder to be as silky smooth a finisher as it was 50 years ago. Then again, the pitches are much better and the footballs are of much higher quality, so it makes it easier that way. He's definitely one of the best goalscorers of all time, considering the amount of goals he has scored. Taking into account that he didn't score all that many in his first few years at United and him playing as a winger, it makes it more impressive. The fact that he also scores such a variety of goals also makes him a great finisher. Is he the most clinical inside the box? Most likely not - that would probably be more of a RVN type of player (RVN more clinical than Henry? possibly, better player, no). But then again, RVN would never be able to score the same type of goals that Ronaldo has been capable of - how do you define greatest, most lethal or most clinical goal scorer?
Who said that Ronaldo is not one of the greatest goalscorers ever? Nobody says that.

Did you read other poster's comments where he says Ronaldo is the greatest and most lethal striker ever because he has "the most goals"? Many people would disagree with that as it misses a huge part of the context.

The WC is a whole different arena, the pinnacle of world football, and Ronaldo's biggest nightmare. You would think CL knockout and European NT qualifiers king will do some damage in the World Cup knockout games. Well, he has 0 g&a in 8 World Cup knockout games. ECs are not that different, 3 goals in 11 knockout games. There's nothing wrong with underperforming in certain tournaments until someone calls him "the greatest goalscorer ever" because that's a major flaw when you have goalscorers with near-perfect resumes.

For me, the greatest goalscorer would be the one that has dominated every single tournament be it at the club level or NT level with strong numbers and clutch performances, you cannot be called the greatest goalscorer ever disappearing in certain tournaments.

Gerd Muller, Pele, Messi for.ex have all shined in every single type of tournament both at the club level and NT level, and they have amazing stats & records to support their case as the greatest goalscorers ever. While Muller was a poacher, Pele and Messi are more like attacking-focused playmakers which makes their case even more impressive.
 
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I dont know its a bit like calling Ali Daeh the greatest international goalscorer ever untill Ronaldo took his record. You could call him the most prolific goalscorer ever and is definitely one of the best contenders for the greatest goalscorer ever. But Messi has about 2 more goals than Ronaldo in Europe overall despite playing about 2 full seasons less games, dropping deeper when Ronaldo streamlined his game around goalscoring and has a better conversion rate. But i think Ronaldo's cl knockout record and total cl tally means i would put them about even. I think Gerd Müller is probably the greatest goalscorer ever, he just didnt have the longevity that Messi and Ronaldo has. For me goals scored in semi retirement leagues dont really matter, so yeah everytime he scores for Al nassr he extends his record, but it doesnt feel significant. A bit like Pele's goals in friendlies.
 
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Guy wanks himself off for scoring more than Haaland in the Saudi league nowadays but remember when he said Xavi was irrelevant because he'd been playing in Qatar? :lol:
 

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Guy wanks himself off for scoring more than Haaland in the Saudi league nowadays but remember when he said Xavi was irrelevant because he'd been playing in Qatar? :lol:
Well dubai just used to be a poor village in the desert. Mecca is extremely relevant. Religiously anyway. Its not for nothing Hamdallah is nicknamed "the executioner". Chopping heads bears significance.