your post is quite tragic and pathetic. What’s wrong in a Ronaldo fan boy declaring him as ‘GOAT’ and why should you have problem with this?
You do not seem to understand football and you think it's all about stats. There was once a time when people enjoyed watching a zico, a Jay-jay Okocha or a ronaldinho even though they didn't score as much, especially Okocha.
Not particularly a Ronaldo fan, especially due to the last few years actions. And not to drag Portugal as a team, they are decent. But it can hardly be fair to judge a players status based on the exploits of his international team?
You can only speak for yourself though
No.
Why not?
Basically manchildren, to me it's not different than k-pop fans on Twitter getting at each other in the name of their favorite singers. Maybe people will say Football it's more macho, so less ridiculous, but looks the same for me.
Why not start giving it to players in Sunday League?
Because there isn't a single genuinely high-level competition in all of those you just listed?
I get your point but I want to know if footballers playing outside Europe are eligible for Ballon d'Or.
It is meaningless
Yes they can. They won’t win but they can.
I want to know if players outside Europe will be considered for Ballon d'Or. Lets say a certain player in a Brazilian league smashed every record and won every domestic and continental trophy. Will he be eligible for Ballon d'Or consideration?
Okay, thanks.
I’ve always suspected it’s because there isn’t really a clear winner and therefore each side has bought an army of bots to fight each other on social media for eternity. People love to compare in football but it’s almost impossible given how many intangibles there are in every game and different teams, leagues etc. I refuse to believe anyone cares this much.
I don't disagree with that but if they keep on signing players at the current rate, i won't be surprised if the league is considered one of the top 5.
Maybe, not familiar with the quality of the Brazillian leagues, but I'd be looking at The Championship for worthy winners before I'd consider the Saudi Retirement League.
Has Zielinski gone officially?
Although I agree football isn’t just as simple as about achievements, but I honestly couldn’t think of any other competitive team sports which wouldn’t regard the one with greatest career stats/achievements as their GOAT.
Those are accolades, and arguable ones. But that’s besides the point. When I mentioned that he doesn’t have enough to his game I’m referring to what he can do with the ball at his feet, and he simply put he’s lacking in that department.
People here use stats indefinitely in the great goat debate. But i think using stats intelligently is also looking at them in context. Position/role/team mates/manager/league/era etc. Its a bit like Maradona. Not up there with Pelé, Messi and Ronaldo or Romario in total goals scored but he was a high scoring nr. 10 playing in a brutal era in the best defensive league in the world.
I'm judging him on his own exploits, not the exploits of his country. And Portugal is nothing like Norway when it comes to football pedigree or even size.
Alfredo DiStefano and Cruyff have strong arguments to be ahead of Cristiano Ronaldo in any list. The Ballon D'Or is not a solid argument against that if you understand anything about how the Ballon D'Or is different now to what it was in the past (especially in DiStefano's time, when you were not allowed to win it 2 years in a row and he was not even eligible to win it until he was almost 30).
He still depends on his national team to win matches to go far in the tournament so he has opportunities to score in the playoffs, and create chances for him to get on the end off.
The thing that you still don't really understand IMO is that the goal record is just a number and the context in which this number came to exist is extremely important. Of course your goals correlate with how well you perform but how much it does correlates from player to player. Messi for instance has much more great plays per goal than Cristiano and Iniesta probably has even more than Messi as rarely as he scored.
Waiiitt the foreign players all have arabic names in the teamsheet?
It's why it's basically it's own industry on social media. With a picture of either of them along with a caption explaining why he's better than the other - and along comes tens or even hundreds of thousands of likes and comments.
I just would have thought it would of slowed down with them both basically riding off into the sunset now.
Sure. But what I mean, while I do agree is one simple stats without context usually doesn’t tell the whole picture. But multiple stats/records/awards/trophies/achievements across the highest level competitions usually does lead to GOAT debate on about every competitive sports out there.
No one mentioned Argentina. Plenty of people who've played for countries half the size of Portugal and with much lesser football pedigrees have scored or assisted goals in the KO rounds of the World Cup. Eusebio has scored goals the KO rounds of the WC and he only played in one tournament FFS. There's no excuse for it if you're trying to say that CR is better than literally every other player in history. The actual truth is that he's not.
His uniqe argument is 5 cl's and being the all time cl topscorer.
No not to the same degree. Cantona's iconic trait was his influence and leadership. He was actually a true mentor to younger players apart from his rashness similar to Zidane. But he wouldnt be a worse player if he performed at the same lvl but the team won less because its a team game.
Ronaldo would just drink water and flex his six pack. Then he would seduce the waiter and spring on to the table and roar Siuuu!. More fun than Messi yes.
One day we'll experience it for real
Yeah my mistake. What a strange criteria, given Messi hadn't until this year either. And if France had won WC, or Argentina went out in the groups, Messi would still be a GOAT.
Come on I don’t think that’s very fair at all. As I said, suddenly referring to him as “the GOAT” continuously is his cunning way of saying “he’s better than Messi” but without actually saying it, and that makes me laugh because I think it’s quite desperate and on obvious response to Qatar 2022. Surely disappearing for months after Argentina win the World Cup only to come back when the dust has settled and start referring to Ronaldo as the GOAT continuously, is more tragic?
