Charlton and Cantona were also better than Dalglish
Dalglish v Best
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yes he was - no contest at all
Erm no. Charlton is at least moderately debatable but not as good.
Cantona was nowhere near. Hopelessly overrated by your lot, although many seem to be coming to their senses as time goes by.
yeah, we just fluked all those titles and european cups. really, we we're shit.
Best by a considerable distance. and anyone who denies that is a complete fool
You were always a team, not as much composed of great individuals. Having said that you still had some fantastic players, Dalglish, Keegan, Callaghan, Barnes (as a Liverpool player, not as an England player). But I don't think any were close to Best and only Dalglish close to Charlton but still behind.
As far as Law goes, it hurts to say it but I think Rush was better as an out-and-out striker, but not by much.
Even as a United fan, I have to take issue with that. There's no doubt Bestie was a great, but whilst he compares to the likes of Beckenbauer, Cruyff, Baresi etc. there's no way you could say he was as good as Pele or Maradona
I always felt amazed that Rush was never given quite the credit he deserved and was a fantastic finisher, and much as I've always admired Rush, I don't think he was quite on Law's level. He had a much better team around him giving him a constant supply of chances that Law didn't quite enjoy.
Silly remark at the end. There's no way you could say he wasn't. The thing is, when Best was given the opportunity to play at the very top, he still shone above all around him like Pele and Maradonna did. He took Benfica apart at their place when they were a real force in Europe. Nobody had ever won there, never mind 1-5, and mainly due to George's genius. Again in the semi vs Franco FC, scored the vital goal at home and of course in the final. He just wasn't given the chance as regularly as the others, mainly due to his nationality. We'll never know for sure because he wasn't given the stage, but when he was, he still dazzled above anyone else.
They'd also say that God was better than the King...
Cantona? You are definitely having a fecking laugh, I'm norravinthat.
There was a poll on here years ago, when the average age of the posters was 27 or 28 and not 13, when the majority agreed that Kenny was better than Cantona.
Ian Rush scored 356 Liverpool goals. Three hundred and fecking fifty six.
And he didn't even take penalties!
For me Rush was a better player, more clinical a finisher than Law
Law was very very good but not on the level of say Greaves and I'd put Rush nearer him then Law
Law had lengthy periods of time when he was actually quite poor and I can remember fans getting on his back a bit
Dont quite follow the Law 'did'nt have a good side around him' bit - he had very very good players around him
Dennis Law was a very good player but for me, in the mists of time, he's been elevated to something he quite was'nt.
Yeah because the gap between Roy Keane and Steven Gerrard is really as big as the one between Best and Dalglish isn't it?
If Gerrard reproduces this season's form again for the next couple of years while he's at his peak, I'll have absolutely no fecking doubt he was better than Keane.
From 2004 onwards he's ranged from good to phenomonal.
I think that Pele and Maradona are universally recognised as the best players ever.
There are debates whether other players were on that level. Cruyff for example thinks that Di Stefano was in the same bracket, if not better than Maradona. And many consider Cruyff himself the best European player ever, on the Continent this is almost universally accepted. Not so in British football as people know what a footballing genius Best was. Cruyff had the advantage to play for better teams: Ajax from the 70ies are regarded as one of the best club teams ever, if not the best, and Holland were great, too, and were unfortunate not to win the WC.
Germans would take Beckenbauer over Bestie, the same holds for Frenchmen with Platini and Zidane etc. As already said, only Maradona and Pele are universally recognized as belonging to the highest level.
There are debates whether other players were on that level. Cruyff for example thinks that Di Stefano was in the same bracket, if not better than Maradona. And many consider Cruyff himself the best European player ever, on the Continent this is almost universally accepted. Not so in British football as people know what a footballing genius Best was. Cruyff had the advantage to play for better teams: Ajax from the 70ies are regarded as one of the best club teams ever, if not the best, and Holland were great, too, and were unfortunate not to win the WC.
Germans would take Beckenbauer over Bestie, the same holds for Frenchmen with Platini and Zidane etc. As already said, only Maradona and Pele are universally recognized as belonging to the highest level.
My Grandad reckoned Beckenbauer was the best of the lot, although I've not met too many who'd agree
Where do the resident old cnuts reckon Eusebio fits into it?
Right up there band 3.
Pele
Maradonna
Best
Cruyff
Moore
Zidane
Eusebio
Beckenbaur
Kenny
etc...
I'm sorry but Dalglish does not belong to the same level as Zidane, Beckenbaur or Eusebio, he was good but not that good!
I remember Dalglish and he never amazed me like Zidane or Cruyff.
You know what I meant.
You've always been successful with good solid teams that played for eachother and knew how to win.
But in terms of individual legendary players, you're not even close to us.
Isn't Michael Owen the only player to ever win the Balon d'Or at Liverpool?
sense - now this is from someone who talks as if he saw all the players being compared
as for Rush better than Law ffs
sense - now this is from someone who talks as if he saw all the players being compared
as for Rush better than Law ffs
Rush was a much better player than Law, you're just being silly now. Rush is the best striker ever to play in this fair land of ours, he's certainly the best I've ever seen and I've seen them all. The closest to him in pure predatory terms are the young Greaves and Fowler.Before they got bang on the piss of course.
Dixie Dean?
I wasn't aware there had to be a gap of eras to compare players.
So I expect you rate Gerrard ahead of Robson as well.
I wasn't aware there had to be a gap of eras to compare players.
So I expect you rate Gerrard ahead of Robson as well.
feck knows where you got 'eras' from, I was talking about quality.
Didn't see Robson play. You must have been watching United a lot longer than I thought if you did.
don't forget the help of the back pass
I am inclined to agree about Rush being the best striker, his record speaks for itself, he was a fantastic finisher. Although, I must admit my opinion is based purely from what I saw of him on the TV, it's funny I saw Rush play in the flesh against us on numerous occasions and never saw him score.
I know, it's silly isn't it, just like those Liverpool fans who think we've been on a seventeen year lucky streak.
I notice that you and Murphman are brave enough to stick your heads above the parapits and are posting in here today and apart from njred's already legendary thread I haven't seen any other Liverpool fan's reactions to out title win. I'm not going to ask you how you feel about us winning it but I am curious as to your opinions on Benitez's reaction and also on the aforementioned thread.
Cantona would piss all over Dalglish what the feck are you on about Murph you spastic
Give me a Liverpool 5 to beat this
1.Edwards
2.Best
3.Charlton
4.Law
5.Cantona
and when you are done with that how about?
1.Giggs
2.Beckham
3.Robson
4.Keane
5.Scholes
Give me a Liverpool 5 to beat this
1.Edwards
2.Best
3.Charlton
4.Law
5.Cantona
and when you are done with that how about?
1.Giggs
2.Beckham
3.Robson
4.Keane
5.Scholes
And when he'd emptied his bladder he could do a kungfu kick on him and then teach him football.
exactly...I mean Dalglish was good but never had the affect on football that Cantona had
Ive seen them both in the flesh regularly, dont support either team
Rush was better than Law - in pure finishing on a completely different level to Law
...... there's no irony there I can promise you
Dalglish is being seriously underated on this thread. Sure Best completely pisses on him however you look at it and I'd have Charlton as a better player than him as well but he was a better player than Eric and Eric is one of my idols. He was Liverpool's best player in a side that won 3 European cups. Say what you want about Eric, he was the best player in England for a few years and revitalised United but it is getting abit silly when Dalglish is being laughed at in a comparison with Eric.
I don't see the point in comparing Keane or Robbo with Gerrard as Gerrard has developed into a completely different player under Benitez. I would not swop either of them for Gerrard mind you, especially Robbo.
Rush vs Law, I don't know about that one, never saw Dennis Law play as he is before my time. All I would say on Rush is that Mcgrath had him in his pocket for the entire mid 80's and he was a complete flop abroad.
I don't see the point in comparing Keane or Robbo with Gerrard as Gerrard has developed into a completely different player under Benitez. I would not swop either of them for Gerrard mind you, especially Robbo.
Rush vs Law, I don't know about that one, never saw Dennis Law play as he is before my time. All I would say on Rush is that Mcgrath had him in his pocket for the entire mid 80's and he was a complete flop abroad.
Van Nistelrooy was a greater center forward than Rush because he did it in Holland, England and in Spain.