Do modern footballs not curl as much?

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I was watching some old Beckham videos, and I was thinking you don't really see the same sort of crazy shape/swing/curl on the balls anymore.

Is that a technical change/approach to striking a ball, or the change in ball technology has caused this?
 

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All about how you hit them.

It's all about the flat knuckle ball type strikes, it's so cool, all the kids hit the ball that way these days. Wrapping your foot around the ball and bending it just ain't cool anymore.
 

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I believe it's the ball technology, 10 or 20 years ago we had incredible free kick takers that would score for fun, now free kicks are almost useless and you rarely see them scored.
Would be interested to see stats that show if this is actually true. My feeling is that there probably isn't a big difference
 

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Would be interested to see stats that show if this is actually true. My feeling is that there probably isn't a big difference
In my opinion, something surely must have changed, we had a good period from the 95 so around 2015 where there were many many good free kick takes, hell there were even goalkeepers like Ceni or Chilavert that converted them into goals. Now even Messi or Ronaldo can't score them, who could 10 years ago.
Not to mention players like Juninho, Hagi or Mihajlovic who scored freekicks form 30-35m+
 

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I was watching some old Beckham videos, and I was thinking you don't really see the same sort of crazy shape/swing/curl on the balls anymore.

Is that a technical change/approach to striking a ball, or the change in ball technology has caused this?
Bit of both. The ball tech enables the ball to move in the air more than it ever did with the previous ball tech. And free-kick takers have gravitated towards the knuckle-ball technique to exploit that, rather than the whip-and-bend style of Beckham, Zola, Del Piero, etc.

Another factor is that back in the day pitches weren't as uniform and weren't watered in the way they always are now. Beckham's technique was even more effective on a dry pitch as the additional traction between foot and ball allowed you to put more bend/spin on it.
 

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Feels like everyone just wants to smash it in at full pelt using the knuckleball. Not enough precision in the technique compared to curling the ball, which can be done with much more control.

Maybe the keepers are better athletes now and it requires more power to beat them? Not really sure but there must be a better reason to hit it so hard than the fact it looks good when it goes in.

Players can still put plenty of bend on a cross so I’m sure they could from set pieces too if they chose to. You’d think in an era of data and stats obsessed management that managers would force players to take free kicks the old fashioned way because the data will tell you knuckleball doesn’t work 99% of the time.
 

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They've changed the technology of the ball

During a game between Bournemouth and West Brom in 2017, one of the WBA players smashed a curing shit into the crowd and it hit an old lady with no spine off her wheelchair and gave her serious issues with nits for the rest of her life. Since then, FIFA stepped in and put recycled clothes inside the balls to make them curl less
 

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Would be interested to see stats that show if this is actually true. My feeling is that there probably isn't a big difference
It's a bit lower since 2016. The amount of direct free kicks is a lot lower though.




No one will be surprised that messi is the most prolific taker in Europe


And c.ronaldo is objectively shit at them

 

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They've changed the technology of the ball

During a game between Bournemouth and West Brom in 2017, one of the WBA players smashed a curing shit into the crowd and it hit an old lady with no spine off her wheelchair and gave her serious issues with nits for the rest of her life. Since then, FIFA stepped in and put recycled clothes inside the balls to make them curl less
:lol:
 

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And c.ronaldo is objectively shit at them
Said it in another thread, in his early days he scored some real screamers from pretty far away which somehow gave him the rep of being a good free kick taker but he has been completely shite at them for ages and still is usually the one to take them, it's maddening. Well not our problem anymore.
 

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People just don't try and curl freekicks anymore.

It's sexy to 'knuckleball'. You still see the odd well curled freekick by Messi or TAA etc

I do think goalkeepers are better also. They get across the goal faster which means you usually need a bit more pace on the shot to score.
 

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Said it in another thread, in his early days he scored some real screamers from pretty far away which somehow gave him the rep of being a good free kick taker but he has been completely shite at them for ages and still is usually the one to take them, it's maddening. Well not our problem anymore.
It was hilarious watching him come off the bench the other day and claim the first free kick, and then proceed to smash it into the wall as usual.
 

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The goal needs to be made bigger. GKs are bigger and better these days.
 

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Jmo but I think it is something that isn't practiced anymore. Beckham used to spend a fair amount of time practicing his free kicks. Just look at corners now a days. It's suprising how poor the delivery is along with accuracy. I think modern players just aren't that interested in practicing that part of the game and focus on other skills.
I could be wrong but you don't hear about players staying after practice and working on say long range passing, free kicks and the like.

Ronaldo on Paul Scholes
"When we were in training, I used to do a lot of tricks which hardly any players at the club could do.

Once I was showing my skills to Scholes. After I finished it, Scholes took the ball and pointed to a tree which was about 50m from where we were standing. He said: 'I'm going to hit it in one shot.’

He kicked and hit the tree. He asked me to do the same; I kicked about 10 times, but still couldn't hit it, with that accuracy. He smiled and left.”

I think players now a days aren't interested is developing those skills as they are not asked to be creative like that anymore. It's more important to be physically in top shape. As players are more system players now. More Robotic. So different priorities.
 

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Because the footballs have been on a strict diet and have lost all of their curviness. They used to be big, round, and full of swerve, but now they're just skinny, straight, and boring. Maybe if they start eating more carbs, they'll regain their bendiness. Until then, we'll just have to settle for predictable, straight shots. Sorry Ronaldo.
 

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I think players now a days aren't interested is developing those skills as they are not asked to be creative like that anymore. It's more important to be physically in top shape. As players are more system players now. More Robotic. So different priorities.
Yep, that's pretty much it.

Football overall has changed a lot in the last 10 years. For example the traditional 'number 10 role' as it previously was is pretty much dead these days and the players who excelled in it in previous decades probably wouldn't be as succesful in the modern game. Of course the same players would very likely still be succesful even in today's game but they'd just have to apply their natural talent with focus on different attributes from an early age and they'd end up being very different players.

Gone are the days when a team would give their '10' a free role to do their magic with very little pressing or defensive duties expected of them. Now the opposing team can just crowd the midfield with athletically better but less skillful players to nullify the threat and as a result you're basically playing a man down. Flair players like Mesut Özil, James Rodriguez, Juan Mata are prime examples who'd have had much better careers if they were just born a little bit earlier but as the game evolved they became pretty much irrelevant at an early age when they couldn't adapt their playing style.
 

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Goalkeepers are so good now that hitting with power is more essential. The intensity is so high these days too that few players have time to really place curled shots into the corner.

The balls do still curl - watch a few of Trent's crosses to confirm thag
 

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They've changed the technology of the ball

During a game between Bournemouth and West Brom in 2017, one of the WBA players smashed a curing shit into the crowd and it hit an old lady with no spine off her wheelchair and gave her serious issues with nits for the rest of her life. Since then, FIFA stepped in and put recycled clothes inside the balls to make them curl less
What?!! :lol:
 

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It's a bit lower since 2016. The amount of direct free kicks is a lot lower though.




No one will be surprised that messi is the most prolific taker in Europe


And c.ronaldo is objectively shit at them

How the hell has messi had so many free kicks to take? More than double anyone else. I know Barca are dirty diving bastards but that’s a bit excessive.
 

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It has nothing to do with the ball. The more you try to curl the less accurate and pacey is the cross or free kick.
 

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The goal needs to be made bigger. GKs are bigger and better these days.
Some of you guys think a significant evolutionary change happens every decade. Goalkeepers aren't bigger.

Players just go for the lazy power option now. Relying on the ball to add the unknown.
 

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It's a bit lower since 2016. The amount of direct free kicks is a lot lower though.




No one will be surprised that messi is the most prolific taker in Europe


And c.ronaldo is objectively shit at them

Have you actually looked at that graph for Messi? That's literally the opposite of prolific :lol:
 

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He scores the most. That's the definition of prolific.
He also took significantly more than everybody else and his actual conversion rate is average at best.
 

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Would be interested to see stats that show if this is actually true. My feeling is that there probably isn't a big difference
This is an interesting topic and here are my views on it:

Since the 90's in particular (USA 94 specifically) there has been some ideas knocking around to make the game a more higher scoring one. America like high scoring sports - basketball and NFL and FIFA dream of Soccer becoming as dominant as those because that is where the big money is - hence the next WC being in Canada/USA and Mexico.

I recall that when the MLS was in the planning stages there was talk of having no draws: so if a game finished 1:1 or 2:2 there would be some sort of decider and not a pen shootout. One idea was striker starts on the centre spot one-on-one with the keeper and there is a 30 second countdown for them to dribble and try to score.

I have long felt the way to go is a slight increase in goal sizes. When football was invented the goal width was set as 3 average men laid down gead to toe. But in 1875 I bet an average man was 5ft 6" to 5ft 8" I bet now its more like 5ft 10" - 6 ft. I would make the goals 4" wider and 2" taller and try it out in say a under-18 tournament and then analyse the stats.

But a universal increase in goal sizes has 3 main problems: i) the actual cost of changing all the posts in all the parks and all the schools and all the small stadiums would be astronomical. ii) the rise of the womens game would be an issue - the goals as they are now are probably right for them iii) there might be opposition from places like Japan or S. Korea both of whom did well at this WC but with smaller players on average than African/S. American and European teams.

So leaving aside the goal-size issue, what other way have FIFA got to try and inject more excitement/goals into football? Well there is really only one - ball technology. But that has issues too. I seem to recall that at the South Africa World Cup 2010 they had a particularly light ball but every single free kick went flying high and/or wide, it was just too light especially in some games at high altitude stadiums.

I was watching a game from this world cup recently and the commentator said the ball was slightly lighter than the one used in the Premier League, so perhaps FIFA are trying again. You would think a lighter ball would be swerving and dipping more than a heavier one, but that doesn't seem to be the case. I reckon that modern manufacturing techniques produce a more uniform ball without weight or texture imperfections, so it flies straigher than old ones. But that is just my opinion.

One thing is for sure, lighter balls are here to stay, not least because of the issue of dementia in ex-footballers who headed heavy leather balls in the 50s and 60s and that has to be a positive thing.

Does anyone remember those Adidas boots with little rubber flaps on the kicking area (Beckham advertised them if I recall) that was supposed to help put some swerve on a free kick or shot. Were they banned or was it just a gimmick that fell out of favour?
 
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He also took significantly more than everybody else and his actual conversion rate is average at best.
That too.

Well, average is ~6% and his is 10% but yes, his conversion rate is only good.
 

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That too.

Well, average is ~6% and his is 10% but yes, his conversion rate is only good.
Average at best compared to the rest on the list. The vast majority on that list have a better conversion rate. Ward-prowse is the most impressive on that list, certainly not Messi.