Do you find Man City (and other Pep teams) boring?

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I still vividly remember reading this thread 2 years ago as I completely agreed with the OP, and still do. City are a winning machine, but unlike our multiple rapid winning machines under Fergie, they are an absolute eyesore. I knew they would beat Newcastle today but I also knew that the game would be absolutely rubbish, and this is the case with most of their games as well.

The last time I came away from a City game thinking “dear me, they are unplayable” was the Madrid 4-0 game almost a year ago. Even taking my red tinted specs off, this surely shouldn’t the case for the winningest team since Pep took over.
Yes, but the performance levels are mostly very sustainable, and the special performances like the Madrid game you mentioned is some of the best I have ever seen from a cohesive unit so it is hard to complain.

But loads of games during the season is incredibly forgettable, yeah
 

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Yes, but the performance levels are mostly very sustainable, and the special performances like the Madrid game you mentioned is some of the best I have ever seen from a cohesive unit so it is hard to complain.

But loads of games during the season is incredibly forgettable, yeah
I appreciate the honest response. You win trophies and assert yourselves on every team you play against aside from when you go to Anfield, so there’s not much more you guys can really ask for. However, just as an example, you’ve played and beaten Newcastle at home three times in the past 2 years and kept 3 clean sheets. I imagine Pep was chuffed with all 3 games. Still, I watched all these games and can’t remember anything else about them, and the last one happened about 5 minutes ago!
 

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I found his Barca team to be entertaining because we had never seen a team play with that level of pressing and possession dominance, at the same time, before. They also had the complete wildcard that was Messi. Who could distort any system and open any game up. Post Messi, I have found all his teams incredibly monotonous. Robotic almost. Everything is a pre-determined pattern.

I also cannot separate the man from the system. I know Guardiola as a fundamental cheat. From doping as a player, to - in my opinion - undeniable doping of some of his teams, to his central role in a financially corrupt and dishonest structure. I see all of that in every play, I can’t put it out of my mind and just “enjoy” the robotic spectacle.

For all the reverence he gets in many quarters, for me he is a stain on the face of the game. Walking, talking evidence of the prosperity of cheats.
 

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When they play well, it is incredibly boring. Sideways passing and endless probing for an opening. Pep has been found out: it only works now because of superior players.
 

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So so boring, more than you believe, so boring.
He's managed to suck all the joy out of football, I'd rather watch Bruce, Allardyce or Pulis teams play.
 

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I found it utterly ridiculous to see so many on here describe his Barcelona team as ‘boring’, unless of course it was just perhaps in relation to the fact that they were so much better than everyone else. That team treated us to the best football ever played, and it wasn’t some sterile passing around the back - they scored a ridiculous amount of goals and blew even the very best of the rest away frequently.

Them being more shit than they were would have made more games more of a contest, but the football in itself certainly wasn’t boring to me. It was a level of footballing purity that people probably never thought could be achieved, and the complex simplicity of it was a marvel.
 

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If predictable is boring then an argument can be made for anything that is the best to be labelled as boring.
 

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Id give my left hand to have him over us. That barcelona team i dont even remember all the trophies they won, i just remember how they played. Its greatest club football team i have seen in my lifetime so far.
 

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There’s just no romance to it.

United, even in their best seasons, had to fight back in many matches and show grit and determination, last minute winners and they put on a show.

I can’t think of a single 5* Man City match under Guardiola. It’s all run of the mill, easily scripted, boring shite
 

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There’s just no romance to it.

United, even in their best seasons, had to fight back in many matches and show grit and determination, last minute winners and they put on a show.

I can’t think of a single 5* Man City match under Guardiola. It’s all run of the mill, easily scripted, boring shite
So basically, they are just much better than we were, and that is no fun.
 

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There’s just no romance to it.

United, even in their best seasons, had to fight back in many matches and show grit and determination, last minute winners and they put on a show.

I can’t think of a single 5* Man City match under Guardiola. It’s all run of the mill, easily scripted, boring shite
I think this is the main thing with this City team.

It’s basically the most sensible tactical setup for the richest team to play. You can admire the intricacies and technical abilities of the players and system but the risk aversion behind it can’t be ignored when you watch them.

But then do you blame them? This is professional sport and money has changed the game. City don’t really care about being the most exciting team, they just want to hoover up trophies to be a brand for their owners. If you are born in twenty years and want to know who were the best team around this period was, you’ll jump on the internet (obviously from within your metaverse house) and see City’s name everywhere. You don’t care how they played or the fact it’s very sterile, you just see the trophy count.
 

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So basically, they are just much better than we were, and that is no fun.
There’s no way they can eclipse what our best ever team did unless they win the quadruple, which they cannot do this season. So at least for another year, their best ever team won as much as ours did in one season, and we did it in a more exciting way without categorically cheating.

Why, as a United fan, do you think they are better than we were?
 

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There’s no way they can eclipse what our best ever team did unless they win the quadruple, which they cannot do this season. So at least for another year, their best ever team won as much as ours did in one season, and we did it in a more exciting way without categorically cheating.

Why, as a United fan, do you think they are better than we were?
To be fair they are on course to win consecutive trebles.
 

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Pep’s Barcelona squads were horrendous to watch. Tiki taka for 80 minutes until Messi is released. City under Barcelona are watchable, but not particularly memorable.
 

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I found it utterly ridiculous to see so many on here describe his Barcelona team as ‘boring’, unless of course it was just perhaps in relation to the fact that they were so much better than everyone else. That team treated us to the best football ever played, and it wasn’t some sterile passing around the back - they scored a ridiculous amount of goals and blew even the very best of the rest away frequently.

Them being more shit than they were would have made more games more of a contest, but the football in itself certainly wasn’t boring to me. It was a level of footballing purity that people probably never thought could be achieved, and the complex simplicity of it was a marvel.
His Barca team were great to watch but his City team is boring. The Barca team had lots of great individual players who showed off their flair and skill and played a better version of tiki taka. Probably because most of the players grew up playing like that.

His City team have great or good players but have a tedious way of playing possession football to dominate. I don't know if you can even call it tiki taka. I can't remember any ole passing displays from this City side where they move it quickly in triangles and toy with the opponent.
 

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His Barca team were great to watch but his City team is boring. The Barca team had lots of great individual players who showed off their flair and skill and played a better version of tiki taka. Probably because most of the players grew up playing like that.

His City team have great or good players but have a tedious way of playing possession football to dominate. I don't know if you can even call it tiki taka. I can't remember any ole passing displays from this City side where they move it quickly in triangles and toy with the opponent.
Barcelona had significantly more technical and better players though. Without that extreme level of ability it's difficult to get that style.
 

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Barca boring is ridiculous, yet I'll say that Luis Enrique's one with the addition of more counters was fantastic to watch. that Barca was at times loosing some matches because of not risking it at certain moments in that total pursued of total control.
And BTW come on, I know Messi is Messi, but just him????...Pep had Iniesta, Henry, Etoo, Yaya, Alves, Jordi, Villa and so on, nothing boring at those fellas doing some fantastic plays under Pep.

City can play really great, but indeed can get boring sometimes, more in recent times when they play to not concede and kill a game.
They do not have the flair or talent of many of those Barca teams, but I won't say either that they are all the time boring neither, in ocasions it kind of desperates me of how the hold the ball and do not risked at all.
 

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Id give my left hand to have him over us. That barcelona team i dont even remember all the trophies they won, i just remember how they played. Its greatest club football team i have seen in my lifetime so far.
The most memorable thing from that team was the diving and mass haranguing of referees. There was no point pressing them because they'd fall over if you got to them. Then they'd full court press the ref. Every fukking time.

Now we know they bought the refs, yet some people still talk about them as the best ever?

Add the fact that 'Pep' is a known drug cheat and perfectly happy to work for another club of obvious cheats.

I agree with the poster that called him a stain on football. He should be ridiculed, not revered.


If Guardiola stays to take city back up the leagues, without financial doping or cheating, to where they are now. THAT would be worthy of praise.
 

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The most memorable thing from that team was the diving and mass haranguing of referees. There was no point pressing them because they'd fall over if you got to them. Then they'd full court press the ref. Every fukking time.

Now we know they bought the refs, yet some people still talk about them as the best ever?

Add the fact that 'Pep' is a known drug cheat and perfectly happy to work for another club of obvious cheats.

I agree with the poster that called him a stain on football. He should be ridiculed, not revered.


If Guardiola stays to take city back up the leagues, without financial doping or cheating, to where they are now. THAT would be worthy of praise.

Jeez man, I dunno if you actually embraced your nick or you are flying so low that you totally destroyed it.

I can get anyone of us not liking at all a player or a team, but to this extent? come on, it can be real that you believe what you've posted to that extreme level.
 

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Jeez man, I dunno if you actually embraced your nick or you are flying so low that you totally destroyed it.

I can get anyone of us not liking at all a player or a team, but to this extent? come on, it can be real that you believe what you've posted to that extreme level.
Which part do you consider to be wrong?
 

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Which part do you consider to be wrong?
I really do believe that dope it's present at some point with any team (club), nowadays specially related when players dealing with injuries and their recovery. Can be systematic, can be a certain staff member, can be a particular player, but it it's there, no saints in this sport (or any sport) since ever.
I do believe that Big teams get more calls on favour than against, but that's sthg. that happens with every big club around every league in the world. Most of times multiple clubs or persons involved in the sport are operating at the same time to obtain sthg extra.
So in correlation to that I do believe that corruption it's in football on every day basis, like's in every other sector of our society...

When you just applied it to a single organization, club, person, it's just silly.
Yet more than anything, just in a football related aspect, to reduce those Pep Barca Teams to 11 divers as the only way they could obtain a result, or even worse to play like they did, come on!! let's not go such a silly extreme
 
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I still vividly remember reading this thread 2 years ago as I completely agreed with the OP, and still do. City are a winning machine, but unlike our multiple rapid winning machines under Fergie, they are an absolute eyesore. I knew they would beat Newcastle today but I also knew that the game would be absolutely rubbish, and this is the case with most of their games as well.

The last time I came away from a City game thinking “dear me, they are unplayable” was the Madrid 4-0 game almost a year ago. Even taking my red tinted specs off, this surely shouldn’t the case for the winningest team since Pep took over.
They are more dominant and consistent than we ever were so I don't think Pep or city fans really give a feck how entertaining they are for non fans.
Really was a terrible thing to happen to football giving a genius like Pep the resources of an oil state. I really don't think he'll leave even in the next 5-7 years, why would he?
 

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I really do believe that dope it's present at some point with any team (club), nowadays specially related when players dealing with injuries and their recovery. Can be systematic, can be a certain staff member, can be a particular player, but it it's there, no saints in this sport (or any sport) since ever.
I do believe that Big teams get more calls on favour than against, but that's sthg. that happens with every big club around every league in the world. Most of times multiple clubs or persons involved in the sport are operating at the same time to obtain sthg extra.
So in correlation to that I do believe that corruption it's in football on every day basis, like's in every other sector of our society...

When you just applied it to a single organization, club, person, it's just silly.
Yet more than anything, just in a football related aspect, to reduce those Pep Barca Teams to 11 divers as the only way they could obtain a result, or even worse to play like they did, come on!! let's no go such a silly extreme
So, everyone cheats and they played some really silky footy so who cares? Nah. Not for me.

Maybe everyone buys the refs. Not everyone else has been caught. Most who have, have been punished. Hopefully barca will be eventually, along with city.

Pep got away with his doping on a technicality. But, like I said, his moral compass didn't steer him away from the blatant cheating at city either. His character is obvious.


Just to add regarding his barca side:

If you had the refs paid for, would it take a genius to work out that just keeping possession until you either get a foul or an easy chance to move forward presents itself, is the least risky way to play?

The sort of diving I'm talking about isn't chucking yourself into the area, it was more simply turning back every time you were in danger and yelling like a wounded elephant if you ever got caught in possession. That way most teams are forced to sit in against you. It was clearly a plan which was why the whole team would protest so hard about a supposed foul near the halfway line. Go back and watch them. Most of their games started with the same pattern.
 

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So, everyone cheats and they played some really silky footy so who cares? Nah. Not for me.

Maybe everyone buys the refs. Not everyone else has been caught. Most who have, have been punished. Hopefully barca will be eventually, along with city.

Pep got away with his doping on a technicality. But, like I said, his moral compass didn't steer him away from the blatant cheating at city either. His character is obvious.


Just to add regarding his barca side:

If you had the refs paid for, would it take a genius to work out that just keeping possession until you either get a foul or an easy chance to move forward presents itself, is the least risky way to play?

The sort of diving I'm talking about isn't chucking yourself into the area, it was more simply turning back every time you were in danger and yelling like a wounded elephant if you ever got caught in possession. That way most teams are forced to sit in against you. It was clearly a plan which was why the whole team would protest so hard about a supposed foul near the halfway line. Go back and watch them. Most of their games started with the same pattern.
Tiktok comments section is that way >>>
 

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So so boring, more than you believe, so boring.
He's managed to suck all the joy out of football, I'd rather watch Bruce, Allardyce or Pulis teams play.
Agreed. I watch almost all other EPL teams if i have some time. Never watch City unless its huge match that effects the season. They are suck for so many different reasons.
 

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Have fun there I guess. Never used it myself.

Got any relevant input to the thread?
Do you? The thread is about the style of play of mainly City's and you're rambling about PED accusations, ref bribery accusations, diving, FFP allegations.
 

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So, everyone cheats and they played some really silky footy so who cares? Nah. Not for me.

Maybe everyone buys the refs. Not everyone else has been caught. Most who have, have been punished. Hopefully barca will be eventually, along with city.

Pep got away with his doping on a technicality. But, like I said, his moral compass didn't steer him away from the blatant cheating at city either. His character is obvious.


Just to add regarding his barca side:

If you had the refs paid for, would it take a genius to work out that just keeping possession until you either get a foul or an easy chance to move forward presents itself, is the least risky way to play?

The sort of diving I'm talking about isn't chucking yourself into the area, it was more simply turning back every time you were in danger and yelling like a wounded elephant if you ever got caught in possession. That way most teams are forced to sit in against you. It was clearly a plan which was why the whole team would protest so hard about a supposed foul near the halfway line. Go back and watch them. Most of their games started with the same pattern.
This thread is actually full of jealousy. I promise you if this was us, we'd be loving the team and the style. I get that they are doping financially and I hate them but I wouldn't criticise the style. Far far better than the garbage we produce weekly/twice weekly currently.
As for Pep's Barcelona, the football they played was on another level. No one, not even this City side have come close. As for the diving, I've seen other Spanish teams do the same. Referees? I saw as many bad calls against Barcelona as for them during the period in question. Notably the goal vs Atletico Madrid in 2014 that decided the league.
 
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So, everyone cheats and they played some really silky footy so who cares? Nah. Not for me.

Maybe everyone buys the refs. Not everyone else has been caught. Most who have, have been punished. Hopefully barca will be eventually, along with city.

Pep got away with his doping on a technicality. But, like I said, his moral compass didn't steer him away from the blatant cheating at city either. His character is obvious.


Just to add regarding his barca side:

If you had the refs paid for, would it take a genius to work out that just keeping possession until you either get a foul or an easy chance to move forward presents itself, is the least risky way to play?

The sort of diving I'm talking about isn't chucking yourself into the area, it was more simply turning back every time you were in danger and yelling like a wounded elephant if you ever got caught in possession. That way most teams are forced to sit in against you. It was clearly a plan which was why the whole team would protest so hard about a supposed foul near the halfway line. Go back and watch them. Most of their games started with the same pattern.
On a general note, you really are taking it to an extreme and yes of course refs, players, being bribe it's at the order of the day, sometimes with not even the clubs knowing they are workin for third party interests, such is the world we live.

I'm not saying that when caught clubs will not have to deal with it, but for me that Pep side wasn't as heavy favored as you make it sound to make them play like they did.
As a side note, the thing with Barca too, it's that since always they have been a very self destruct organization, so it's easier regarding them to actually boicot themselves from the inside, it's such a political club that this mix gets worse than many other giant clubs and they will time and again shoot at their own feet, perfect scenario too to get caught more easily with such ambient. They are really stupid regarding that. And when I was saying that multiple dubious stuff it's operating at the same time, you can have even in the Negreira days decisions as "stupid" as that wrong ruled goal by Messi against Aleti in 2014, a play that in itself determined the outcome of the entire League. If sthg I can bet, it's that Barca would even find a way to not even bribe right, they are fecking tools throught there history regarding scandals, transfers, legendary players treatment, etc. nothing surprises me about them.

Back in a more football related stuff. I trully believe that you are making it sound that the protests were made only by Barca players and not by any major side since ever, since they know that their t-shirts carry weight to affect any ref, every big club does it.
In relation to that Pep side, even as cunning (and annoying sometimes) Busi can be, or Alba or Pique, etc. how many times fellas like Iniesta or Messi were basicly torn apart without them even protesting interrumpting the flow of Barca's game too, you seem to only see one side of the coin.
You are describing it like they almost fake every foul while nowadays not only by watching matches you can see that it wasn't as one sided as you make it sound, but we can also hear from the very own voices of many former adversaries than in the prior week before a match against Barca the main plan against them was, let's avoid the ball reach to the litlle fella and if it arrives to him let's just kick the hell out of him, that creates a REAL foul galore with the characteristics of the fella (even more if had a tendecy to let himself fall, that he didn't).

In fact even prior to Pep's era, Mou started to established the "Messi theatrics" in that famous Stamford Bridge match, and that in many ways started the whole "it's all diving and theatre from Barca" while that game in Stamford Bridge Chelsea made red cards fouls time and again, Terry made one of the most blatant penalties ever, yet Mou as a master of puppets that he is, made the game all about Messi Theatrics, therefore Barca as a whole "just" a team of divers.
So what I'm implying it's that for every bit of act and protest of Busi and company did, that indeed they did, there were even more blatant fouls or systematical and tactical ones, so at the end that Barca (or even prior ones when Mou started the whole diving thing), hardly they were a team mostly based on diving and protesting to play their best football. They were cunning? yeap, they went sometimes full rondo to create fouls, yeap too, but common on, there is to the very least some middle ground there man.
Anyway, I do not think that you'll agree and you are of course entirely entitled to your opinion and I do conccur to some extent in some obscure or annoying stuff from those Pep's teams, but clearly not to the extent you are doing it.
 

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Having to root for Real Madrid sounds dystopian. :lol:

Id give my left hand to have him over us. That barcelona team i dont even remember all the trophies they won, i just remember how they played. Its greatest club football team i have seen in my lifetime so far.
I'd agree. They're brilliant and I'd love to watch them if they were my team but they're so thorough and consistent that it's difficult to say much new about them. Haaland made them more interesting I'll admit but the rest of their players are always just part of a system.
 

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I think it's just the level of predictability they reached that make them understandably boring for some. They seem to be on course for a treble every season and the chances of them being in jeapordy at this stage of the season is almost zero. By that definition, that's boring as excitement necessitates a level of chaos and lack of control. I remember what I consider our strongest seasons in 2008 and 2009 and that was less excited/boring compared to 2007 when we were still rough around the edges. The following two seasons we just exerted a level of confidence and control and won games in such an authoritative way. Even what was on paper a tight away European tie like Porto 1/0 was actually relatively not so exciting if you watched the game because we just were in control in that game and didn't allow them a sniff. Compare that to the late '90s and early ´00s teams and you felt any game could be an adventure but again, that was more to do with the loose tactics which led to more excitement but significantly lesser return on the European stage. Pep's teams are supremely coached, it's his plaything and he achieved close to perfection at City, you have to admire it and give it credit but excitement and quality are two different things.
 

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I know Pep didn't manage this team but he would've coached most of the players at Barca, but I never enjoyed watching the Spain team of 08-12, as great and as successful as they were.

And I couldn't figure it out. This is a brilliant team, winning all around them, playing near perfect football, why am I not enjoying watching it?

And it took my rugby mad missus to inadvertently give me the answer. When Spain were tiki-takking their way to another perfect 1-0 win in one of those tournaments she said, "Spain are boring, all they do is keep the ball"

And it clicked with me. I'm not imagining it. Spain, as technically brilliant as they were, were f**king boring to watch! So many of their matches were go 1-0 up and then keep 80% possession to see the game out. Technically brilliant yes, but don't try convince me it was entertaining!
 

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Having to root for Real Madrid sounds dystopian. :lol:
Pft. You've been doing it for the past like 6 years, at this point it's sheer insanity you still haven't converted to the side of Good
 

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This thread is actually full of jealousy. I promise you if this was us, we'd be loving the team and the style. I get that they are doping financially and I hate them but I wouldn't criticise the style. Far far better than the garbage we produce weekly/twice weekly currently.
As for Pep's Barcelona, the football they played was on another level. No one, not even this City side have come close. As for the diving, I've seen other Spanish teams do the same. Referees? I saw as many bad calls against Barcelona as for them during the period in question. Notably the goal vs Atletico Madrid in 2014 that decided the league.
I would not be proud of United if it resorted to criminal fraud to amass our trophies.
 

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Have never liked teams that rely on ball possession that much. Klopp's style is more exciting than Pep and could've won as much with best players in every position (like Pep).