Ronaldo's Love Child
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This seems to be a recurring theme with our players over the last few seasons and I am struggling to understand is this just normal for any club, are we unlucky or is the club toxic?
I'd say same answer than the thread about off field problem : No, I don't think so really.This seems to be a recurring theme with our players over the last few seasons and I am struggling to understand is this just normal for any club, are we unlucky or is the club toxic?
You’d need to define what you mean by attitude. Seemingly lazy, sulking ala Martial, Sancho? Potentially abusive attitudes in their private lives? Bit of an entitlement/confidence (some would say delusion) attitude of not wanting to leave United for a club of lower prestige like Maguire or DvB? I mean, there’s a variety of “attitudes” out there.This seems to be a recurring theme with our players over the last few seasons and I am struggling to understand is this just normal for any club, are we unlucky or is the club toxic?
About time the manager starts showing some ruthless aggressionThe attitude era![]()
I wonder how much you can screen for that though, except collecting hearsay or testimonies from people that may know the player from another club. I'm sure there's some optimism of "he had discipline issues at X but we're not like that" happening.I'm not sure, but we do have players with unwarranted huge egos and lacking in self-awareness.
There does seem to be an issue with properly scouting the players we bring in.
Fernandes playing the part of 'Tepid Steve Austin'The attitude era![]()
I mean it's probably true that from there it's all at best lateral moves career wise unless you're in the very, very elite group that can go up from United to the half dozen clubs that pay as well and have a better shot at trophies.I'd say it's pretty standard behaviour. Most of them know they made a killing the moment they signed on the dotted line. No one will pay them more money than United, and nowhere they will get the same publicity that allows them to promote themselves and their extracurricular business activities. It's not a lack of self-awareness as most of them know, deep down, that, outside United, they will be well and truly finished at this level. So, they will ride this gravy train for as long as they can. And when the push comes to shove, their "sources" will start to leak inside information about how underappreciated they feel at Carrington.
Doesn't it strike you as odd that not a single one of them wants to leave and go to a club where he can actually compete for the highest prizes and win trophies? After all, by all accounts, United are a mess. Di Maria was one, but, as it proved, he never wanted to come here in the first place. It's not like these lateral career moves are so infrequent nowadays to be perceived as improbable. They are all happy to just be here and collect their wages. They know they have made it big time. And trust me, when they feel that the time is ripe, you'll start reading leaks about how problematic their relationship with the manager is. Again, i'm not blaming them. They feed on their employer's insecurities. The constant rebuilding, the long-term planning, the need to build the team around certain players etc.I mean it's probably true that from there it's all at best lateral moves career wise unless you're in the very, very elite group that can go up from United to the half dozen clubs that pay as well and have a better shot at trophies.
But the teams better than United do seem to be able to create the sort of emulation needed, so it must be possible. Maybe being a little less automatic in contract extensions and having more competition for the first XI would help...
Standards have hit rock bottom.The attitude era![]()
I don't think you can say that Bruno Fernandes has an attitude problem. He hates losing! That's a good thing!With attitude/personality problem (egoistic, lazy, whiny, sulking, talkative, selfish, uncooperative, delinquent, unhappy easily etc): Bailly, Fernandes, Martial, Sancho, Henderson, Shaw
Unknown: Amrabat, Mount
Yes he is industrious, he hates losing, and he has no off-field sagas, but there is something wrong with his personality. He seems to be a big demotivator when things don't go in our way. That explains why we got thrashed so much since he joined us when he seems to have improved us. He is like that whiny colleague you have that makes your whole office to be in a gloomy mood when problems arise.I don't think you can say that Bruno Fernandes has an attitude problem. He hates losing! That's a good thing!
If there were more players with his mentality, the team would be significantly better.
I agree it's noticeable that very few United players seemingly transfer to equivalent teams. It's not necessarily very common (I think Bayern is similarly not doing a lot of big outgoing transactions, but much better at selling second tier players to other BL teams) however certainly we buy more from Real or Chelsea than they buy from us. Certainly an indictment on the quality of the players we buy, our previous wage structure anarchy or United capacity to transform them into damaged goods.Doesn't it strike you as odd that not a single one of them wants to leave and go to a club where he can actually compete for the highest prizes and win trophies? After all, by all accounts, United are a mess. Di Maria was one, but, as it proved, he never wanted to come here in the first place. It's not like these lateral career moves are so infrequent nowadays to be perceived as improbable. They are all happy to just be here and collect their wages. They know they have made it big time. And trust me, when they feel that the time is ripe, you'll start reading leaks about how problematic their relationship with the manager is. Again, i'm not blaming them. They feed on their employer's insecurities. The constant rebuilding, the long-term planning, the need to build the team around certain players etc.
Get off your high horse!Not sure about altitude, but this Sancho business is a new low.
I partially agree with your last bit. The players really have to be taking their share of responsibility, too. Let's not pretend that they're children who don't know any better. They're elite professionals in this field, playing for Manchester United (one of the top teams) in the Premier League (one of the top leagues in the world). There has to be some sort of onus on the players to maintain professional standards when it comes to being a footballer, and that involves everything you have just said about hunger, desire, determination, and (importantly) keeping in the right physical condition. Yes, the coaches should be working the players harder, but the players should also be working themselves harder.There’s something fundamentally wrong with the club. The players work rate leaves a lot to be desired, their determination and hunger as well.
then there is our coaching, especially in fitness. Our players become gassed 70 minutes in. That’s on the coaching staff.
Pogba, Lingard, BaillyI'd say same answer than the thread about off field problem : No, I don't think so really.
Depends what you call "attitude" but I'm not sure who it would be apart from Ronaldo and possibly... Henderson ?
United doesn't strike me as anomalous in that regard. There's clubs where players try to lay hands on teammates at training.
Surely he’s referring to Greenwood, Antony, Ronaldo and Sancho?Players only have a bad attitude when the team is losing.
Imagine Cantona playing now?
"Why's he doing poetry when we've just lost again?"
What he meant to say was "no, dickheads" and it was a response to the question - "Will Man Utd start relying on players who are boyscouts to try to win now?"Makes me think of the Richard Arnold PR puff piece last year where he bragged about his ‘no dickheads’ policy. When we tried to sign Arnautovic I didn’t have high hopes for his policy and it doesn’t appear to be going very well.
Well yes. My point is that it only gets highlighted when the team is doing poorly.Surely he’s referring to Greenwood, Antony, Ronaldo and Sancho?