Bebestation
Im a doctor btw, my IQ destroys yours
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I’m starting to be okay with this.
Yeah because that's what people's objections are based on. Feck sake the shite you read on here.The xenophobia whenever any middle Eastern owners are mentioned is hilarious. The Western nations are the biggest murders in the world but oh no not some brown people. So transparent.
You'll find there's a lot on here who can't wrap their head around that distinction.There's a distinct difference between someone from Dubai owning us and dubai owning us. The same as there's a distinct difference between the Saudis owning Newcastle and someone from Saudi owning them
Good point, for the first time in its history, we'd see the fit and proper rule being put to useThere will be uproar and the government will step in to not allow this.
Which will be unfair in a sense others can become super dupe clubs with bottomless outs of cash but in every other sense imaginable the correct call
The UAE is an allied country and already owns significant assets in the UK. Buying a football club will not cause any UK government intervention at all. Dubai has too much clout in the UK to be stopped. It would politically damaging for the government to try to stop it when Abu Dhabi and KSA already own EPL clubs.There will be uproar and the government will step in to not allow this.
Which will be unfair in a sense others can become super dupe clubs with bottomless pits of cash but in every other sense imaginable the correct call
Unfortunately I know for a fact this is not how it works in the UAE.If there's a football team in England, why would there be a football team in Scotland?
At the expense of peoples human rights? You're okay with the club being owned by a regime that kills homosexuals and strips women of their rights?Most of those people are hypocrites, I want the best for the club, and the Emirates are one of the safest options out there, if not the best one.
It’ll be the uproar. I guarantee it. I did say itll be unfair in a way and your post explains why. It’ll be Boris and the super league all over again. Win some votes from the lower class who hate our guts |
So then Newcastle and City just hoover up all the trophies while we stay “fit and proper” because we are forced. That’s not fair.Good point, for the first time in its history, we'd see the fit and proper rule being put to use
This news came out after though and obviously I didn't mean every single United supporter changed their poistion. Just that this is "the devil you know" spin. Put it out there that a human rights violator state wants to buy the club and suddenly some (not all or even majority of the supporters) will say "I prefer the glazers". Well then that's job done for the glazers pr. Put it out there that a wealthy respectable business man or a pair of celebrity supporters are figure heading a group of investors and it's a completey different choice. It's like ratcliffe. Ask any supporter "glazers or ratcliffe" and they'll all say ratcliffe. Ask them "glazers or middle-east state owned" and not all are picking the middle-eastWhat? There were loads of banners in the stadium today. It was sang all game. Fans were in the stadium singing it after the game. Gary Neville discussed it again. It's all over social media, still.
Which people are hypocrites and why?Most of those people are hypocrites, I want the best for the club, and the Emirates are one of the safest options out there, if not the best one.
That was kind of my point, we'll see one rule for United and one rule for all the others. Wether that's a good thing on this occasion is up to debate, or courseSo then Newcastle and City just hoover up all the trophies while we stay “fit and proper” because we are forced. That’s not fair.
The Newcastle deal ended any hope of control by our governing bodies. If they can own a club anyone can and that’s a fact.
The FA owe us one anyways for allowing the Glazers to pump our club full of debt. Imagine them screwing us in 2005 by not having rules then screwing us again 20 years later by making up some.
If that happens we might as well have defected to the super league because our own FA is trying to destroy its biggest asset.
Dubai is part of UAE, not a country on its own. What you are referring to is the financial crisis of 2008 where the richest Emirate, Abu Dhabi, bailed out Dubai. To say that things have changed there since then is an understatement. They recently broke into the top 10 of financial centres of the world and their ambition is to be no1 - as shown by the willingness to invest heavily in infrastructure (airport, financial centre, tourist attractions etc) and technology that provides sustainable energy sources. And who knows, with the money that has been funding London in danger, maybe Dubai will overtake that city aswell.Don't know if anything has changed recently but Dubai was a relative pauper in comparison to the UAE, Qatar and Saudi. In fact it wasn't really that long ago that the UAE bailed out Dubai when the global market crash happened.
Glory hunting is in vogue. No one is even remotely ashamed anymore.Painful seeing the number of people rationalising this.
Yes, exactly! This would almost be on par with the Saudis. Praying it's fake news!I'm very strongly Glazers out, but this would be worse.
Yeah exactlyDamn, too many people getting their panties in a twist over a nothing story. The guy literally writes for the Daily Mail.
It's not comparable, though. City were brought from absolute obscurity to winning the league. We're still the most successful club in England (especially since the PL era).If this happens, would City's PL titles "count" again or would United's future titles not count? Asking for a friend.
If Dubai buys us, technically we will be a tourist/financial club, not an oil club. Oil contributes to less than 1% of Dubai’s GDP.Quite shocked at how many people would be okay with this. You will never be able to troll oil clubs again.
And there's the whole oppresive oil state stuff.
Keep it in minds, Glazers own 70% of the club, not 100%, so if someone want to purchase the club fully , it would take at least 5.5 billions.I don't believe that figure for a second otherwise Ratcliffe would have already paid it. Didn't the Saudis already offer around 4 billion a few years ago? Glazers want way more than that
YesIf this happens, would City's PL titles "count" again or would United's future titles not count? Asking for a friend.
City's titles 'count' already, i'm not sure anyone even disputes that. Their lack of history and integrity as a 'big' club is contested, but no one questions their title count. What we should be really worried about is if things continue as they are then within the next 15 years we will be looking at a City team that has nearly as many league trophies as us.If this happens, would City's PL titles "count" again or would United's future titles not count? Asking for a friend.
Good thing you are up front with what you know and don’t know. It seems what’s behind the scenes and what’s onstage is exactly yhe story with Dubai (as with Abu Dhabi). It’s wealth is built on a palatable ‘on stage’ vista, whereas 80-90 % of the people living there and creating the wealth live on slavery terms through the Kafala system, and are prohibited and severely punished if they speak publically or to other people about their conditions. Families livelihoods are held hostage. Journalist and human rights workers are being silenced, jailed tortured. This has been well documented by different sources like Amnesty International, Civica, Human Rights Watch.Dubai is part of UAE, not a country on its own. What you are referring to is the financial crisis of 2008 where the richest Emirate, Abu Dhabi, bailed out Dubai. To say that things have changed there since then is an understatement. They recently broke into the top 10 of financial centres of the world and their ambition is to be no1 - as shown by the willingness to invest heavily in infrastructure (airport, financial centre, tourist attractions etc) and technology that provides sustainable energy sources. And who knows, with the money that has been funding London in danger, maybe Dubai will overtake that city aswell.
As for human rights - I can only speak from personal experience of going to UAE but on the surface the exposure of being an international tourist and financial centre has improved conditions tenfolds in only a couple of decades. I'll admit I barely know what's going on behind the scenes, though. Still some way to go, but I have high hopes that international money and pressure will build a more tolerant country. There's also hope that the crown prince, Sheikh Hamdan, will help towards that.. Sadly don't have that hope for Saudi Arabia.
What are you on about?If this happens, would City's PL titles "count" again or would United's future titles not count? Asking for a friend.
A private entity with the money required to buy us will always have extremely strong ties to a state. I don't see a big difference. Even in a lot of western countries, corporations have an enormous influence on the legislative or diplomatic process.Feck off with those petrodollars. I don't want us being owned by a state fund. Any state, no matter what part of the world. If we're not fan owned, then let a private consortium buy us. But no state ownership.