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They are a smaller league.
Anything to help their sides.
Anything to help their sides.
Can't say I'm a Real fan, but frankly it's a disgrace. If you don't have the squad to play multiple competitions, don't enter them
I presume he thinks it’s unfair on their CL opponent if they are afforded a weekend off when they aren’t.
Unfair and a disgrace is that Spain/England/Italy/Germany are having 4 fix starters for the group stage and the dutch champion must play qualification games to qualify for the group stage......that is fecking unfair and a disgrace!!!It shouldn't be one rule for one and not the other... that's obviously unfair.
Spot on. Some people really need to get a grip.Unfair and a disgrace is that Spain/England/Italy/Germany are having 4 fix starters for the group stage and the dutch champion must play qualification games to qualify for the group stage......that is fecking unfair and a disgrace!!!
Way harder in England where there are usually multiple teams making it to the knockouts. You help one team in the knockouts, then the other team is suddenly asking for rearrangements in the group stages. Brings so much subjectivity into these decisions and fans of certain club could end up feeling hard done by. It should just not be allowed. At the CL level, you are expected to have a squad of footballers and you should be expected to manage it and prioritize games.Any idea why the FA never re-arranges dates to help CL teams? Is it because of TV contracts or just due to the logistics?
Exactly. And the only way to change that is to go higher up in the UEFA country rankings again, for which a decision like this before an important European match can help a little.Unfair and a disgrace is that Spain/England/Italy/Germany are having 4 fix starters for the group stage and the dutch champion must play qualification games to qualify for the group stage......that is fecking unfair and a disgrace!!!
We didn't have a midweek game neither did Burnley. We could have played yesterday at noon or 3pm but TV dictated otherwise, so players could have done with extra day of rest today.The CL game is on Wednesday, so it really should not be an issue.
I hear you. It is a double edged sword though. TV dictates, but also gives the league their wealth.We didn't have a midweek game neither did Burnley. We could have played yesterday at noon or 3pm but TV dictated otherwise, so players could have done with extra day of rest today.
Ha well yes, the way the qualification system and seedings are so tilted towards the big clubs in the biggest leagues is completely unfair.Unfair and a disgrace is that Spain/England/Italy/Germany are having 4 fix starters for the group stage and the dutch champion must play qualification games to qualify for the group stage......that is fecking unfair and a disgrace!!!
Manchester City vs Watford should have been a Saturday 12.30 pm kick-off and Liverpool vs Burnley should have been a Saturday 5.30 pm kick-off.We didn't have a midweek game neither did Burnley. We could have played yesterday at noon or 3pm but TV dictated otherwise, so players could have done with extra day of rest today.
If Ajax would have gone out then everyone would have said "Ajax are so stupid because no game on the weekend has hurt their rhythm"Ha well yes, the way the qualification system and seedings are so tilted towards the big clubs in the biggest leagues is completely unfair.
But leagues giving teams games off to prepare for a CL game, while a lesser crime, is also not fair (to other CL entrants or to other clubs in the Dutch league).
Spain is the other place.....their CL clubs are playing never on Friday what i don't understand.If a portuguese team is playing a CL game on Tuesday then they play Friday guaranteed. Of course they want to give teams the best possible conditions.
England is the only place where it seems this doesn’t happen. Liverpool playing on a Sunday before going to Munich to decide the tie on Wednesday is a complete embarrassment.
Spain is still better than England in that respect though, they don’t push Barcelona, Madrid or Atleti games to Friday but they definitely do the best next thing most of the time. I don’t think I remember a situation there where a team playing a key European game on Wednesday played the league game on Sunday.Spain is the other place.....their CL clubs are playing never on Friday what i don't understand.
But yep it's the case in Italy, France, Germany and in Portugal.
If you look at it logically, that makes sense. Every FA would want their domestic teams to do better in Europe. There is no negative to teams doing better, yet reading this thread, it’s not just the FA that’s against it, so many fans think it’s a bad idea tooIf a portuguese team is playing a CL game on Tuesday then they play Friday guaranteed. Of course they want to give teams the best possible conditions.
England is the only place where it seems this doesn’t happen. Liverpool playing on a Sunday before going to Munich to decide the tie on Wednesday is a complete embarrassment.
We had to choose between the CWC and FAC back then since they wouldn’t back down.I remember we chose to withdraw from the FA Cup after 99 because the FA didn’t want to be flexible for us.
How is it? They play on a wed.Liverpool playing on a Sunday this week before their Bayern game is a bit of a joke.
Yeah this. If you have a Tuesday CL game you have a Saturday game. Same difference.The CL game is on Wednesday, so it really should not be an issue.
For me it doesn't matter much how many days in isolation, but rather how many days you get to prepare compared to the opponent. If both teams have 3 days, then that's just as fair as if both teams have 4 days, but if one team have 3 and the other 4 it does matter.Yeah this. If you have a Tuesday CL game you have a Saturday game. Same difference.
Even if for example French league gives break to the teams in CL, I don't see the problem. Every team in PL makes at least 100 million from TV money, that's the least they get. That's already advantage given to the teams by the league. For example, can Lyon complete with that riches? Obviously they need help from their league at least in giving lighter schedule.I don't have any problem with a smaller league doing something like this. It would be a bit ridiculous for a top team from Spain, England, etc., doing the same. Anyway, it's up to each league to decide for themselves. If it creates an unfair situation within the league itself, that's obviously an issue but that's their FA's responsibility, not UEFA or anyone else.
I'm sure you'll get these "unfair" situations naturally anyway, with the differences in league scheduling. One league might have a domestic cup weekend with the team in question already being knocked out, so naturally having a weekend off. Another league might have a midweek game followed by a weekend game before a European game the midweek after, creating a tougher situation. I don't see the issue to be honest.
This is true if teams have transfer, wage caps and have exact number of first team players. We don't have that, so why shouldn't other league give them bit of advantage.For me it doesn't matter much how many days in isolation, but rather how many days you get to prepare compared to the opponent. If both teams have 3 days, then that's just as fair as if both teams have 4 days, but if one team have 3 and the other 4 it does matter.
Yeah for sure, I was just talking about how it doesn't matter if its 3 or 4 days, what matters is how it compares with the opponent.This is true if teams have transfer, wage caps and have exact number of first team players. We don't have that, so why shouldn't other league give them bit of advantage.
PL riches are based on TV money and their tighter schedule is because of TV decisions. So yeah, if you need money, you have to adapt to their schedule too.
Yeah I think that's a fair comment. On that basis I think Ajax had a big unfair advantage and I don't think that should be allowed.For me it doesn't matter much how many days in isolation, but rather how many days you get to prepare compared to the opponent. If both teams have 3 days, then that's just as fair as if both teams have 4 days, but if one team have 3 and the other 4 it does matter.
Ajax got 4 days between games, Madrid got 2. Madrid had players like Marcelo, Bale, Asensio, Ceballos on the bench, they just didn't rotate. That's why I like when smaller leagues helps the club in CL where there is so much difference in the money team spends.Yeah for sure, I was just talking about how it doesn't matter if its 3 or 4 days, what matters is how it compares with the opponent.
I have no problem with Ajax doing this, especially against a team as wealthy as Real Madrid.
It isn't though, really, is it? Their game is on Wednesday night and it isn't exactly far to travel.Liverpool playing on a Sunday this week before their Bayern game is a bit of a joke.
I'm pretty sure the statistics of results analysed show an extra day of rest doesn't actually make a difference.We didn't have a midweek game neither did Burnley. We could have played yesterday at noon or 3pm but TV dictated otherwise, so players could have done with extra day of rest today.
Yeah and actually it's exactly this win vs Madrid that, if RB Salzburg also lose the return game vs Napoli ensures we will have (basically on our own) earned back that direct CL spot for the Eredivisie again.Exactly. And the only way to change that is to go higher up in the UEFA country rankings again, for which a decision like this before an important European match can help a little.
Sort of. All Eredivisie clubs agreed before the season to allow matches to be moved around to accommodate CL teams. In the first season half this took the form of moving fames from Sundays to Fridays every now and then. This is what would have happened if Ajax hadn't then reached the Cup semifinal vs Feyenoord on the wednesday before meaning it couldn't be moved to Wednesday.Did the other side agree to the postponement? If yes, I've no problem with it but it's been mentioned they have a big relegation game at the weekend so i can't see why they would agree and have to play Ajax 3 days beforehand.
You can't blame smaller FA's for trying to gain a small advantage given the current quota system tbf.