Why is the guy who literally said we were favourites ahead of Liverpool 2 days ago and never mentioned Chelsea until everyone else broke they were after him considered reliable?
Enzo Fernández | signs for Chelsea
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Chelsea suddenly started to advance their position on the 29th. That's why Matteo Moretto and every other reliable journalist outside of Nizaar Kinsella, Gastón Edul, and César Luis Merlo wasn't reporting this. On the 30th, every other reliable journalist started to report on this. Until then, United were indeed the most interested team whilst everyone else wasn't as advanced with Jorge Mendes.
Back to hoping somehow Bellingham or De Jong fancy a move to United again.
No we weren’t. You’re just repeating what you’ve read from journalists like it’s fact. We don’t have any money to spend. We need a striker. We weren’t advanced to sign Enzo Fernandez for 120m euros this January like this guy has reported. It makes absolutely no sense.
Truth be told we'd still need one of them even if we were to sign someone like Fernandez. Fernandez would be a Fred upgrade, the type of midfielder you'd likely play in a big game to give you that extra bit of bite in midfield, he wouldn't bring the level of creativity like a De Jong or Bellingham would in the lesser games though
We'd be absolutely laughing if our midfield options were Casemiro, Bruno, Eriksen, FDJ and Fernandez. Plenty of depth and tools for the right games
130 million would place him as 4th biggest transfer ever.
Some company he has there. Will place himself between Coutinho to Barcelona and Felix to Atletico Madrid. Behind Felix is Griezmann to Barcelona, Grealish to City and Lukaku to Chelsea.
Some company he has there. Will place himself between Coutinho to Barcelona and Felix to Atletico Madrid. Behind Felix is Griezmann to Barcelona, Grealish to City and Lukaku to Chelsea.
Just because we were the most interested doesn't mean we were that far advanced. Up until then, no team was really talking to Benfica, so their interest was based on their contacts with Jorge Mendes. At that time, United seemed the most keen, but once Chelsea got in touch with Benfica, that's when they basically got ahead of everyone else.
Matteo Moretto never reported that we were advanced. He only mentioned that we were the most interested out of all clubs, and that was after Bruno Andrade reported that we overtook Liverpool in our interest for the player.
All flops
When you put it like that, makes it seem like a good deal!All flops
Neymar?
Or is that not officially counted because he technically bought out his contract
Daft price but he’s a great player no denying that. Chelsea making impressive moves in the market. Nkunku and Enzo are serious upgrades.
I mean the lad looked good at the WC but he only moved to Benfica in the summer didn't he? Moving 6 months later for that fee is mental. Anyone paying that is mental. If it goes through be interesting to see how that effects Bellingham's price as he's definitely the bigger talent based on what I've seen
Neymar is 1st - 222 million, Mbappe 2nd - 180 million
Then Coutinho, Felix, Griezmann and the rest follow.
Good player but not worth that much.
Lets hope he can handle the pressure.
Lets hope he can handle the pressure.
So, basically if they pay those 130 million and Kante isn't fit, they would still need someone defensive oriented to provide more cover? Because Kovacic is more of a ball carrier and b2b. There were some roumors about Rice in Chelsea as well which could work imo. But spending 130 million on Enzo and on top of that having to spend further 100 million to get the best out of him seems a bit questionable.
For what is worth, considering his age and mentality (bigger the stage/bigger the player type), I think his ceiling is extremely high. But same as you, have question marks whether Chelsea is a best fit for him.
Do River Plate have a sell on clause?
Just this summer you loaned out Lukaku after spendign a fortune on him, you sold Werner for a massive loss after 1/2 seasons, Billy Gilmour after supposedly being the next big thing 18months ago, Batshuayi after spending a lot of money and loaning him most of his time there, you released Barkley and also Drinkwater who you spent nearly £40m on 5years ago and literall ended his career as never played him.
Thats just the latest transfer window
Yep, 25%.
Lovely hurling.
We do have Zakaria to be fair who has looked pretty decent whenever he’s started, which has granted only been 2 games.
People saying its a ridiculous fee...and it is. But £130m for a 21year old with maybe 14years left in his career and even if he flops large sell on value that looks to have it all to be world class.
We have spent £60m on a 30year old midfielder with maybe 5years left in his career and very little sell on value in 2/3years.
Not saying Casemeiro hasnt so far been an excellent signing, possibly the best in the world in his position at the moment....but in 4yers time if we dont bring a player through, we have to spend another £60m to replace him, Chelsea can probably sell Fernandez for £60m even if he isnt a huge success....so in net terms we may have spent what they are about to and them vice versa.
Bellingham and Fernandez are wonderful young midfielders, but you spend the kind of money they are to cost on players that win games, not central midfielders, as good as both are.
But also, yo dont spend £60m on a 30year old central midfielder. We have got some good players in this summer, but we have massively over spent on all of them. They may all be great signings but value wise, only Martinez looks like a really good long term deal in terms of what we spent.
Saying all that, Id love Fernandez here, no matter what he costs as think he offers just what we need and I also think he is making the wrong move going to CHelsea as well
We have spent £60m on a 30year old midfielder with maybe 5years left in his career and very little sell on value in 2/3years.
Not saying Casemeiro hasnt so far been an excellent signing, possibly the best in the world in his position at the moment....but in 4yers time if we dont bring a player through, we have to spend another £60m to replace him, Chelsea can probably sell Fernandez for £60m even if he isnt a huge success....so in net terms we may have spent what they are about to and them vice versa.
Bellingham and Fernandez are wonderful young midfielders, but you spend the kind of money they are to cost on players that win games, not central midfielders, as good as both are.
But also, yo dont spend £60m on a 30year old central midfielder. We have got some good players in this summer, but we have massively over spent on all of them. They may all be great signings but value wise, only Martinez looks like a really good long term deal in terms of what we spent.
Saying all that, Id love Fernandez here, no matter what he costs as think he offers just what we need and I also think he is making the wrong move going to CHelsea as well
It’s an obscene amount but at this point it’s probably best for me to ignore the fee and just enjoy watching him play. He’ll under a lot of pressure that’s for sure.
oh definitely, same with us and Antony.
The money means frankly nothing these days to the fan. The issue is whether the player will suffer, but he doesn't seem the likes that'll wilt under pressure.
Haven't seen much of him, so I couldn't comment. In general, you could probably find cheaper solution than Rice on the market.
It would be funny if it ends up like this:
- Jude to Madrid
- Enzo to Chelsea
- Declan to Liverpool
- Frenkie to Bayern
This place will lose its mind
- Jude to Madrid
- Enzo to Chelsea
- Declan to Liverpool
- Frenkie to Bayern
This place will lose its mind
Not really. I'd love for Liverpool to go for rice.It would be funny if it ends up like this:
- Jude to Madrid
- Enzo to Chelsea
- Declan to Liverpool
- Frenkie to Bayern
This place will lose its mind
My only concern is Enzo. Not much we can do if Chelsea spend 130m on him in Jan.
How much would this put Chelsea's spend since Boehly bought them? £380m without any other additional signings in Jan? And 440m when you count Nkunku?
American sports owners run a for-profit enterprise so I would expect them to tighten the purse strings considerably at some point.
Unless I am missing anything else about this consortium, Chelsea fans should be hoping that this signing is a resounding success since there won't be another such spree for a long while.
American sports owners run a for-profit enterprise so I would expect them to tighten the purse strings considerably at some point.
Unless I am missing anything else about this consortium, Chelsea fans should be hoping that this signing is a resounding success since there won't be another such spree for a long while.
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That's not how football works in reality since the £130m signing will also have wages befitting that fee.
The 2 transfers with fees around his are good examples - both Coutinho who was signed at 25 and Joao Felix who signed with Atletico at 19 are not being sold for large sell-on value. Their wages are already scary enough for clubs.
And that's how the game works. The only high-cost players who command high fees even after they "flop" are goalscorers like Lukaku.
As long as mad wallet like Chelsea and Madrid are not involved, Declan will not cost north of £100m.
It's probably more like £70-80m, around Aurelélien Tchouameni's price.
Even at that price, the brit-tax is still too much for me.
He's £50-55m player at most.
On summer 2023, he'd be left with 1 year left in his contract.
The lad seems to have good head between his shoulders, forgoing weekly wage for better prospect of trophies.
He'd be wise to choose his next destination for his peak career period.
He can force West Ham's hand to settle for his preferred club by treathening to run down his contract.
Salary of £150k-170 should do it for the new club.
It's probably more like £70-80m, around Aurelélien Tchouameni's price.
Even at that price, the brit-tax is still too much for me.
He's £50-55m player at most.
On summer 2023, he'd be left with 1 year left in his contract.
The lad seems to have good head between his shoulders, forgoing weekly wage for better prospect of trophies.
He'd be wise to choose his next destination for his peak career period.
He can force West Ham's hand to settle for his preferred club by treathening to run down his contract.
Salary of £150k-170 should do it for the new club.
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No, on summer 2023 Rice still has 1 + 1 year left. West Ham has an option to extend for another year.
They will spend up to a billion, or so they agreed when they bought the team.
I might miss something but extension must be agreed by both parties, right?
So far, it has been reported that Declan rejected mutiple WH proposals for new contract.
It's apparent that he's determined to move.
Both Chelsea and United have been attributed with strongest interest.
But now Graham Potter seems to be pushing for Moises Caceido, that will make Declan's transfer seemingly redundant.
That will leave United, mind you Casemiro is already 30.
I'm just thinking that it would be funny if Liverpool pulls another "Cody Gakpo".
This place would have a meltdown.
Yeah but Chelsea can’t tie him down for those 14 years, can they? He could sign for what 5-6 years? Then he could feck off to Madrid in his prime.
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Chelsea will probably sign him. Don’t see Liverpool spending that sort of money on him. Don’t think we will either as we need a ST more and that’s gonna cost most of our budget. Chelsea have literally signed a full starting 11 in the past windows. Crazy
Doubt most would even care on here if Liverpool get Rice. The next best midfielder after those lot would be Mac Allister, who has bossed all over Rice when they've faced each other. Not to mention how sublime he was in the WC final.
I'd still hope we keep an eye out for Rovella. The lad could be just what we need.
On paper Zakaria is a decent fit with Enzo, he's got those legs and defensive balance to make it work. It's just whether he's actually good enough... very untested player at this level. Kovacic won't be enough defensive protection to make an Enzo work especially in english football where transition kills.
@Jim Beam Yep Rice is someone who could in theory make it work - but similar to Zakaria above, these are all gambles in some respect and with Rice another big money transfer. Wonder if they can get Rodrigo De Paul from Atletico, he's someone who has fallen out with Simeone? could he be signed at a cutprice. Enzo flanked by RDP and Kovacic looks a pretty dynamic trio.
De Paul is not only fallen out with Simeone, but Atletico crowd as well. Was welcomed with huge boos on Friday with his gold medal because the fans don't think he shows the same commitment for the club as he does for the national team. Doubt there is much love left there, so he could be available. Solid budget option, although am relatively unimpressed with him.
Why nobody is looking into bringing in Marcelo Brozovic I would never know.
That midfield trio with Luka and Mateo was the best in WC, followed by the Argentines.
Leo Messi being there certainly helps.
Croatia's forward was rather puny for a top 3 podium.
That midfield trio with Luka and Mateo was the best in WC, followed by the Argentines.
Leo Messi being there certainly helps.
Croatia's forward was rather puny for a top 3 podium.
Great player. Wanted him, but 130M is insane. No one does propaganda like Benfica.
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