Erik ten Hag | 2024/25

[CannibalSpectre]

Mental illness.

Pure insanity. Pogba at one stretch that lasted close to 12 months produced more than Kevin De Bryune but he never recieved anything close to the same plaudits KDB was adorned with

 

[Garnacho Libre]

The other day I had lengthy discussions with fellow posters. It got passionate but I started thinking about it over the course of today. Some posters felt I was trying to whined people up because I'm a new member. It wasn't about that at all.

Firstly, I'm here the same reason as all of you - we share the same passion for our love for United.

I may have been a little blind sided to how poor we are. I only go to OT once or twice a season, sometimes three. I run a small business in Ireland and United is my escape. When I start to get burnout, Manchester is my place to let off steam. A few drinks in the Blaize, a walk around the stadium grounds eating a burger and then the match. I fecking love it! I've been to enough games where its not really a novelty and when I'm there, I want to see good football.

I think my biggest reason for defending Ten Hag is quite simply, probably hoping by sticking with a manager success can come. Like Fergie. I know Fergie is a different breed and not comparing Ten Hag to him.

I really feel and maybe some of you will agree - I wanted to see a manager here that the players don't get sacked. But I understand that its down to how the players play and that's where the manager comes in. I think because Fergie was there for so long, seeing United go through managers like other clubs - it's now what we are about.

Although it was two cups, one in each season - it was nice to see some success.

The club has gone through a huge overhaul with players and executives behind the scenes. Do I think Ten Hag is right man to steer the ship? I honestly don't know. My thinking now is get to 10 games. That's enough time to get the squad fit and for new players to settle and if the style of football isn't progressing by then and we aren't getting results and look like we are going nowhere then sack him.

One thing we can agree on, it will be bittersweet when United are on top again - whomever the manager will be.

Anyhow, just wanted to get that off my chest.

 

[GreatDane]

I don't want to throw another season down the drain, but I even more so don't want to throw multiple seasons down the drain, which is why on balance I think we'd be better off waiting until summer.

As I've said repeatedly though, I'm open to be convinced. Who would you replace Ten Hag with immediately, and why would that be better than waiting until the summer and getting a top candidate in?

Why should anyone spend the time trying to convince you of anything?

 

[DJ_21]

if ETH is smart he’ll change his tactics/system. Arne slot told everyone how to beat us in like 2 mins. He broke down our tactics and knew how to get around it.

 

[AneRu]

So many of the 'next big things' have failed over the years as well. Villas Boas was touted as next Mourinho and his career at the top was quite short lived in the end. De Boer looked brilliant at Ajax and failed miserably at Inter and even Palace. Laudrup was once considered among top coaching talents while at Swansea and even linked with United. Marco Silva failed at Everton after looking brilliant with Watford.

ETH himself is on that list, he seemed great at Ajax.

This is an indusputable fact, in every generation of managers there is usually one or two who make it whilst others fall by the way side. But clubs don't stop trying because landing the next big one will have a bigger upside than the potential loss of taking a chance on one, as long as you move on quickly.

My point was more in reply to the narrative that there is no suitable replacement so we should allow Ten Hag to bleed the club to death. There are so many factors and moving parts that you just don't know which is which. Ruud, for all his weaknesses, he has two things going for him - goodwill of the fan base and a knowledge of the club, these things helped Ole succeed here.

So you just never know, even if you bring Guardiola here he can fail miserably and McKenna could succeed. That's no reason to continue crippling ourselves by keeping a failing manager, we should just avoid ever going all in on a manager by giving him vetoes and spending half a billion on his personal preferences.

 

[Fortitude]

if ETH is smart he’ll change his tactics/system. Arne slot told everyone how to beat us in like 2 mins. He broke down our tactics and knew how to get around it.

There are multiple interviews from opposing managers from last season breaking down how to beat us. It isn't a new thing. At all. Which makes it all the more damning.

 

[DJ_21]

There are multiple interviews from opposing managers from last season breaking down how to beat us. It isn't a new thing. At all. Which makes it all the more damning.

Ye but we’ve slightly changed systems and tactics this year. Slots the first one to call us out on it. We press a lot higher with the front 2 this year.

 

[LawCharltonBest]

I think this touches on part of the problem. To paraphrase as I can’t remember the wording

“A United loss is a bigger news story than a Man city win”

“Manchester United are still the blue chip English football club”

Every player and manager who comes in is expected to help United become great again.

I think this club is too big for him. His idea on doing a good job here is miles away from what the public expectations are. Especially in your 3rd season. United should start title challenging soon. Ten Hag thinks it’s ok to be behind city and just win the odd cup

 

[VP89]

I think this touches on part of the problem. To paraphrase as I can’t remember the wording

“A United loss is a bigger news story than a Man city win”

“Manchester United are still the blue chip English football club”

Every player and manager who comes in is expected to help United become great again.

I think this club is too big for him. His idea on doing a good job here is miles away from what the public expectations are. Especially in your 3rd season. United should start title challenging soon. Ten Hag thinks it’s ok to be behind city and just win the odd cup

I don't think Ten Hag actually believes what he's giving the press for whatever it's worth. Every manager under the kosh comes out with utter nonsense. Not that I agree with that approach but just putting it out there.

 

[Rams]

I get you trying to defend Eth, but if you see the top teams playing, their midfield is not so far apart that a cruise liner could go through it without issues.

That is the problem with posts like these. All the blame on the quality of players and none on the suicidal tactics. We have played better football with worse players in our side.

There is no way on this Earth that other PL managers play the maniac tactics which Eth played last season. Bruno playing as almost a second striker is also not the preferred method of midfield deployment in most PL teams, let alone the top ones. Someone like Odegaard, who is very similar to Bruno in his role as a 10, also plays like a proper midfielder under Arteta's style. Yet we have you here saying that other PL teams play like us.

We played a more defensive brand of football under Mourinho & Ole, and look where that got us. And yes, the scatter gun approach to buying players which we’ve seen for the past decade has resulted in a squad not fit for a big club like Manchester United. That’s not exempting Ten Hag from criticism, but describing the reality that any manager at the club will have to deal with.

 

[fps]

Ten Hag is making a conscious choice to play in a way that loses games. There is no pot of gold at the end of that rainbow. If he prioritised tightening up the midfield and building play from there, we would instantly look like a top 4 team.

 

[Buster15]

I don't think Ten Hag actually believes what he's giving the press for whatever it's worth. Every manager under the kosh comes out with utter nonsense. Not that I agree with that approach but just putting it out there.

Yes exactly that.
To be honest I try not to take any notice of what is said by not just Ten Hag, but pretty much any manager. Or player for that matter.

It is just words, often meaningless drivel. After all, they are just human and certainly not particularly intelligent and tend to say what they think we want to hear.

 

[NewGlory]

Pundits have it totally backwards. Erik has no future not because

1. He lost 3-0 to Liverpool while trying to be prematurely brave and playing on the front foot without having squad that can go toe-to-tow with Liverpol,

2. or because he has no style

NO! He has no future because he cannot figure out the system/style that fits his key players, especially Bruno and Mainoo, and keeps implementing "everybody bomb forward" crap easily defeated by most oppo managers or "park the bus" low block that can only win an odd game here and there

The real problem is how he plays Bruno, and consequently Mainoo. It was pointed out by people who actually watch and analyze games (hint: therefore not Neville or Caragher) that Bruno is too advanced. We do not need free-roaming, undisciplined #10, instead we need to pull Bruno farther back and let him direct play from deeper, earlier in the build-up. Bruno CAN DO IT, we have seen it in couple games but he is almost never asked to play like that

Basically, we need two #8s, Bruno and Mainoo, where actually it is Mainoo who operates closer to the box most of the time, but they should also interchange to make things less predictable. Ugarte can sweep right behind them and in front of mobile CBs

Our full-backs need to also stop bombing headlessly forward, rather one staying a bit behind when another is attacking

Overall we need more balance and more cohesion but more than anything we need Bruno in more pulled back, disciplined, better defined role and our midfield to play more like box-to-box partnership rather than vertical line of 6-8-10

This is key tactical adjustment that is painfully needed. This is more how top clubs like Arsenal and City play, and yet it is a tactical necessity Erik shockinhly cannot wrap his mind around

He also needs to implement rotation for this system where Bruno can be subbed by Mount in this system. Mainoo can even be subbed by Zirkzee playing deeper, immediately giving us more options

In short, Erik is incapable of identifying the sustained system that works against our rivals and best utilizes our key players, Bruno and Mainoo. This is why he is failing and there is no fix in sight.

 

[stefan92]

The other day I had lengthy discussions with fellow posters. It got passionate but I started thinking about it over the course of today. Some posters felt I was trying to whined people up because I'm a new member. It wasn't about that at all.

Firstly, I'm here the same reason as all of you - we share the same passion for our love for United.

I may have been a little blind sided to how poor we are. I only go to OT once or twice a season, sometimes three. I run a small business in Ireland and United is my escape. When I start to get burnout, Manchester is my place to let off steam. A few drinks in the Blaize, a walk around the stadium grounds eating a burger and then the match. I fecking love it! I've been to enough games where its not really a novelty and when I'm there, I want to see good football.

I think my biggest reason for defending Ten Hag is quite simply, probably hoping by sticking with a manager success can come. Like Fergie. I know Fergie is a different breed and not comparing Ten Hag to him.

I really feel and maybe some of you will agree - I wanted to see a manager here that the players don't get sacked. But I understand that its down to how the players play and that's where the manager comes in. I think because Fergie was there for so long, seeing United go through managers like other clubs - it's now what we are about.

Although it was two cups, one in each season - it was nice to see some success.

The club has gone through a huge overhaul with players and executives behind the scenes. Do I think Ten Hag is right man to steer the ship? I honestly don't know. My thinking now is get to 10 games. That's enough time to get the squad fit and for new players to settle and if the style of football isn't progressing by then and we aren't getting results and look like we are going nowhere then sack him.

One thing we can agree on, it will be bittersweet when United are on top again - whomever the manager will be.

Anyhow, just wanted to get that off my chest.

If I could I would upvote this post, very well put.

Especially that you wish everything could be as if a new Fergie has arrived, but likely that wish isn't coming true.

 

[doubleohseven]

[Troll Football]

Troll Football is just ABU 'bants' filler.

Any serious United fan should be ashamed of endorsing it, even for the jolliest of japes.

We've already done that.

There is no point waiting until the summer. It'll be another season wasted by then.

The point being we don't want to waste any seasons, so succession is paramount.

Fact is United are not replacing EtH as much as they are replacing Ferguson, yet again. There is no discernible replacement so knee-jerking it will lead to Ineos having a three year period in which to cultivate a mediocrity.

Whatever your opinion on EtH's performance, you need to find a manager who will have United in title races and the CL's business-end. It is 'knee-jerk' to sack without securing a suitable replacement in this regard.

If you do think top-four is all we need going forward, there are quite a few coaches who can do this for you, only ten Hag is proven as one of them. As, Ineos might claim, is Gareth 'Two Finals' Southgate.

I think this club is too big for him.

Yes. It is too big for the playing squad, also. Including senior staff. Quite a few of the fans, too.

Not sure if people have accepted the impact of the last decade, yet. Some still believe Fergie Time is just right around the corner and this or that 'chancer' is depriving them of their birthright.

It could take another decade, at least, to reach par. Definitely longer if Ineos fluff their lines. It's why they're reluctant to rehire.

EtH is about our level at this stage. A good cup coach and a solid patsy for our unrealistic edifice. Tactically infirm albeit able to motivate somewhat. Will only be sacked belatedly.

Not expecting much of any potential successor.

I don't think Ten Hag actually believes what he's giving the press for whatever it's worth. Every manager under the kosh comes out with utter nonsense. Not that I agree with that approach but just putting it out there.

Managers over the kosh come up with nonsense. Football is not so interesting it can generate genuinely meaningful headlines. Read any article and it virtually is exposition.

Enforcing pre and post match pressers is crucial to the brand. The sport's allure is chiefly hyperbole. Media sources know this.

If I could I would upvote this post, very well put.

Especially that you wish everything could be as if a new Fergie has arrived, but likely that wish isn't coming true.

It was a good one, but I'd advise caution to the notion 'when we are top again'.

There is no guarantee this will absolutely happen.

Furthermore, if we are on top, it's never enough. We have to prove it again in the next season. Over and over and over.

 

[Sarni]

This is an indusputable fact, in every generation of managers there is usually one or two who make it whilst others fall by the way side. But clubs don't stop trying because landing the next big one will have a bigger upside than the potential loss of taking a chance on one, as long as you move on quickly.

My point was more in reply to the narrative that there is no suitable replacement so we should allow Ten Hag to bleed the club to death. There are so many factors and moving parts that you just don't know which is which. Ruud, for all his weaknesses, he has two things going for him - goodwill of the fan base and a knowledge of the club, these things helped Ole succeed here.

So you just never know, even if you bring Guardiola here he can fail miserably and McKenna could succeed. That's no reason to continue crippling ourselves by keeping a failing manager, we should just avoid ever going all in on a manager by giving him vetoes and spending half a billion on his personal preferences.

I completely agree with that and this works in pretty much any industry. If you have someone that’s actively making your organization worse, you strive to replace them as soon as possible.

 

[saivet]

I am not sure our squad is good enough for top 4.

City, liverpool and arsenal squads are better by far (and with better managers too).

How many united players will get in Aston villa first x11? Lisandro and maybe Bruno?
How many in Newcastles? The same 2+ De Ligt?

Ten Hag is not only very poor in tactics, but his eye for talent is embarrassing.

600m in 2 years and we are stuck without a capable striker, pensioner in the middle and a clown goalkeeper. Depressing

Pretty much the entire team, I would say Dalot/Mazraoui (over Cash), Shaw (over Digne), De Ligt (over Konsa), Martinez (over Torres), Kobbie (over Tielmans), Ugarte (over Onana), Bruno (over Rogers) and Amad/Rashford/Garnacho (over McGinn).

The only definites for Villa in my opinion are Watkins and Martinez. I don't think the quality of individual players is our biggest problem.

 

[AbusementPark]

Having ETH remain for the season is massive mistake. We’ve started the season poorly again and that’s after spending big money on new players. Nothings changed since last season or the season before and I expect nothing else to change going forward this season.

Liverpool thumped us at home and it’s been that way for a few years now. We did draw and beat them last season but both we were lucky to do either and if Liverpool took their chances it would’ve been another two defeats to them. I don’t remember a dominant performance against any team we have played.

The win in FA cup final was a very good performance, was it down to City not being focused enough or expecting to steam roll us because of how poorly coached we are?

Onana needs dropped, he’s part of the problem. Rashford has no confidence and needs time out of the team. Casemiro should have been taken off after 35 minutes on Sunday and not left on for as long. The tactics should have went for a back 3 on Sunday knowing how much time and space Liverpool were getting in the middle of the park. He trusts his own vision is correct and doesn’t react quick enough to what’s going on during the match.

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

The latest argument for keeping ETH is "you need to find a manager who will have United in title races and the CL's business-end. It is 'knee-jerk' to sack without securing a suitable replacement in this regard."

Despite the fact ETH clearly can't do that but unless you find a manager who 100% will do that, then there's no point sacking Ten Hag since his failings are just ignored.

I don't think there's enough words in the dictionary to define just how idiotic that type of reasoning is.

And the insane part is that I've seen a few posters essentially say that in different ways.

 

[Rams]

The latest argument for keeping ETH is "you need to find a manager who will have United in title races and the CL's business-end. It is 'knee-jerk' to sack without securing a suitable replacement in this regard."

Despite the fact ETH clearly can't do that but unless you find a manager who 100% will do that, then there's no point sacking Ten Hag since his failings are just ignored.

I don't think there's enough words in the dictionary to define just how idiotic that type of reasoning is.

And the insane part is that I've seen a few posters essentially say that in different ways.

I would argue that sacking a manager without having suitable replacements potentially lined up is idiotic, that’s the kind of shambolic way the clubs has been run the past decade.
For me Ten Hag is finally being properly supported this summer and he has 2-3 move to show improvements on the pitch, or he’s got to go. However, the club also needs to line up suitable candidates to replace him, whether that’s mid term or for the start of next season.

 

[stevoc]

I don't want to throw another season down the drain, but I even more so don't want to throw multiple seasons down the drain, which is why on balance I think we'd be better off waiting until summer.

As I've said repeatedly though, I'm open to be convinced. Who would you replace Ten Hag with immediately, and why would that be better than waiting until the summer and getting a top candidate in?

We are just out of a summer break, if it was November-January I could see the logic in waiting but it's early september.

Who is a top candidate?

You can never guarantee how any manager will do until they're actually in the post, if we hired a new manager like Tuchel or even Klopp with the idea they'll make us title contenders despite their records it'd still be a big gamble. But if we hired a manager in the hope we wouldn't be as awful as we've been the last 18 months then I'd say that's a much safer bet. I get your argument in how an Interim manager can do more harm than good. But leaving a struggling manager in post for longer than you should can cause the same amount of damage and arguably more. I think both Jose and Ole were given too long and thinigs got toxic towards the end and affected the entire season.

Now I don't think we will sack Ten Hag before November at the earliest, hopefully we don't at all if he manages to turn this around. But one of the main problem that has affected United's fortunes negatively post SAF is waiting too long to make a change when things aren't working. And ending up wiritng off seasons because of it.

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[Eddy_JukeZ]

I would argue that sacking a manager without having suitable replacements potentially lined up is idiotic, that’s the kind of shambolic way the clubs has been run the past decade.
For me Ten Hag is finally being properly supported this summer and he has 2-3 move to show improvements on the pitch, or he’s got to go. However, the club also needs to line up suitable candidates to replace him, whether that’s mid term or for the start of next season.

I never said you should sack him without a replacement.

The point was that some people don't think he should be sacked since a definitive replacement that will not fail doesn't exist. That point is even more idiotic.

 

[DWelbz19]

Down to 84% now is impressive. Another two weeks to go on international break to slide it down.

 

[Rams]

I never said you should sack him without a replacement.

The point was that some people don't think he should be sacked since a definitive replacement that will not fail doesn't exist. That point is even more idiotic.

I can’t recall any poster arguing that there aren’t any potential suitable managers for the club, just that there aren’t many suitable managers who are currently available (i.e., out of work). But football doesn’t work like, if required we’ll poach someone.

 

[SuperiorXI]

He deserves more than 3 games under the new regime.

 

[stevoc]

The problem with this argument is that since Ten Hag has been in charge, Ten Hag has been the 2nd most successful manager in England in terms of trophies won. I.e., doing impressive things is not good enough for Manchester United. We’re not going to win the league or the CL by being harder to beat.

To win either of those competitions you generally have to be a team that's hard to beat. Right now United aren't a hard team to beat. So we will definitely have to become a team that is much harder to beat to even compete for those competitions never mind win them.

 

[Highfather_24]

He deserves more than 3 games under the new regime.

I'll give him until the next international break.

Then we should ring up Tuchel and tell him to cut his sabbatical short, break time is over.

 

[Grylte]

With so many saying they think he's gone by christmas, you'd think there would be someone who could come to the conclusion that it's best to do it now.
To save the season etc.

 

[crossy1686]

He deserves more than 3 games under the new regime.

No he doesn't. They've been here since January and tried to replace him in the summer. That's what your 'new regime' think of him.

Also, tell me you don't understand what the new structure does without actually saying it.

 

[crossy1686]

With so many saying they think he's gone by christmas, you'd think there would be someone who could come to the conclusion that it's best to do it now.
To save the season etc.

If he's going to be sacked in a few months anyway it's best just to sack him now. The season will be gone by the time they do it though and we'll be hoping for a top 8 finish.

 

[Leftback99]

He deserves more than 3 games under the new regime.

Why does he 'deserve' it?

We got rid of far better managers who were far more deserving of working under a better structure.

 

[DSG]

I actually think finishing 3rd in his first full season was too soon and set unrealistic expectations. It wasa false position aided by several teams being total shit.

People don't like the comparison to Arteta, but he finished 8th, 8th, and 5th in his first 3 seasons then 2nd twice. Remains to be seen if he can get over the line this season.

That kind of trajectory would have set a different point of reference for what could be considered improvement year on

If you need to build such a silly strawman, you don't see.As for Ruud being better, you can't prove it as that's impossible, but you should have some reason to think so. Otherwise it's baseless.

With regard your examples, in every single case there's easily attainable information that can inform the decision. Will I like this vacation spot? Surely you'd check out the local amenities and attractions to see if they line up with your interests, what local dining is available, is the climate to your liking, etc. Choosing to go into something like that completely blind isn't necessary, the same is true of appointing a new manager.

I've banged the Ten Hag drum before, I've admitted now I'm open to seeing him replaced. Your attempt to boil my position down to simply the opposite of yours speaks to either an inability or refusal to see beyond black and white over this topic. I'll restate my actual position, better to debate that than any strawmen:

Of course you do the research in all of these decisions, but you don’t know the outcome before you leap. It’s life. Sometimes you get it right, sometimes wrong, but doing nothing to wait for something is death.

 

[Woodzy]

He deserves more than 3 games under the new regime.

Absolutely not, he was lucky to have lasted the summer and if anything that fact that it’s a new season and the owners would look stupid is the only reason he hasn’t been sacked after these 3 results.

He will be sacked by Christmas, I think we have all seen enough to know this is not going to improve.

 

[RedBanker]

Absolutely not, he was lucky to have lasted the summer and if anything that fact that it’s a new season and the owners would look stupid is the only reason he hasn’t been sacked after these 3 results.

He will be sacked by Christmas, I think we have all seen enough to know this is not going to improve.

He won't last October.

 

[doubleohseven]

I never said you should sack him without a replacement.

The more vehement sections of 'EtH out' rarely mention a suitable replacement, and, when they do, are too easily scrutinised.

You need to mention a replacement in all conversations in which you propose sacking him, explaining why it will restore the club to hitherto glory.

It's okay being wrong. We all want the same thing.

To win either of those competitions you generally have to be a team that's hard to beat. Right now United aren't a hard team to beat. So we will definitely have to become a team that is much harder to beat to even compete for those competitions never mind win them.

I agree, Stevoc.

It would not surprise me to see United win nothing and finish outside top four this season. But it would not surprise me to see another 22-23 season, either. In terms of progression both are insufficient.

My league prediction was between third and fourteenth. Nothing I have seen has dissuaded me (We had a similar start in 22-23 and finished third) but EtH's tactical intransigence, though brave, is worrisome.

Can't see a new boss doing much better. Some of the names mentioned are the same level.

Of all names, only Thomas Tuchel can be considered an improvement. Nagelsmann possibly, but he's in the same boat a pre-United EtH was. The rest are hopeful punts.

On here, TT will be lauded and subsequently denounced whenever we lose a few, his CL triumph seen as a 'fluke' and his tactics 'not United'.

This will intensify whenever the media sources now excoriating ten Hag focus on Tuchel, though I wonder if EtH will be re-evaluated after one unsatisfactory season or two.

I'd say the former.

 

[RedRover]

The latest argument for keeping ETH is "you need to find a manager who will have United in title races and the CL's business-end. It is 'knee-jerk' to sack without securing a suitable replacement in this regard."

Despite the fact ETH clearly can't do that but unless you find a manager who 100% will do that, then there's no point sacking Ten Hag since his failings are just ignored.

I don't think there's enough words in the dictionary to define just how idiotic that type of reasoning is.

And the insane part is that I've seen a few posters essentially say that in different ways.

It also sounds like accepting he's not good enough.

 

[Leftback99]

Hello Eddy, you may quote me personally. Don't be shy.

These posters are correct. As bad as EtH probably is, it can and likely will be made worse with a poor choice in succession.

The fact we are talking up Unai Emery, Kieran McKenna or


The more vehement sections of 'EtH out' rarely mention a suitable replacement, and, when they do, are too easily scrutinised.

You need to mention a replacement in all conversations in which you propose sacking him, explaining why it will restore the club to hitherto glory.

It's okay being wrong. We all want the same thing.



I agree, Stevoc.

It would not surprise me to see United win nothing and finish outside top four this season. But it would not surprise me to see another 22-23 season, either. In terms of progression both are insufficient.

My league prediction was between third and fourteenth. Nothing I have seen has dissuaded me (We had a similar start in 22-23 and finished third) but EtH's tactical intransigence, though brave, is worrisome.

Can't see a new boss doing much better. Some of the names mentioned are the same level.

Of all names, only Thomas Tuchel can be considered an improvement. Nagelsmann possibly, but he's in the same boat a pre-United EtH was. The rest are hopeful punts.

On here, TT will be lauded and subsequently denounced whenever we lose a few, his CL triumph seen as a 'fluke' and his tactics 'not United'.

This will intensify whenever the media sources now excoriating ten Hag focus on Tuchel, though I wonder if EtH will be re-evaluated after one unsatisfactory season or two.

I'd say the former.

You're just a WUM

 

[CM]

Down to 84% now is impressive. Another two weeks to go on international break to slide it down.

Scabby 0-1 win against Southampton and it'll be 40% keep

 

[Offside]

The latest argument for keeping ETH is "you need to find a manager who will have United in title races and the CL's business-end. It is 'knee-jerk' to sack without securing a suitable replacement in this regard."

Despite the fact ETH clearly can't do that but unless you find a manager who 100% will do that, then there's no point sacking Ten Hag since his failings are just ignored.

I don't think there's enough words in the dictionary to define just how idiotic that type of reasoning is.

And the insane part is that I've seen a few posters essentially say that in different ways.

It’s not idiotic. We aren’t challenging City this season, 100% guaranteed. Why replace ETH with a target who will just repeat the same cycle down the line? At least ETH has won cups, the best thing we can win during this period of City dominance. I want ETH out but the board needs to be patient in finding the right man, otherwise the best we can hope for is the same CL qualification cycle.

 

[Zumbi]

The problem with this argument is that since Ten Hag has been in charge, Ten Hag has been the 2nd most successful manager in England in terms of trophies won. I.e., doing impressive things is not good enough for Manchester United. We’re not going to win the league or the CL by being harder to beat.

Being a domestic cup team is not good enough for Man Utd. Ten Hag has been an abject failure so far in the two most important competitions, and I believe other managers would do better than he has in those competitions. It’s not about being harder to beat. It’s about being a better footballing side. I think other managers would get us playing better football, and would be more likely to make us competitive in the PL and CL.