Those look like fairly typical draws to me. A mix of lower league teams and Premier League teams with the odd tough game is exactly how cup draws go. It’s more unlucky to meet multiple difficult teams before the later stages.Can we look at our draws please:
League Cup 2023
Aston Villa (Pre Emery)
Burnley
Charlton
Forest
Newcastle
FA Cup 2023
Everton
Reading
West Ham
Fulham
Brighton
Man City
FA Cup 2024
Wigan
Newport
Forest
Liverpool
Coventry
Man City
Its been kind to say the least. Theres one remarkable result in there against a Liverpool team who it turned out had actually entered an end of Klopp slump.
I am tired of the ‘he got to X cup finals’ shite. The tombola spinner got us to 3 cup finals. The bald knob got wiped out by Newcastle C team, at home with his strongest available side in this years league cup.
It’s hard to say isn’t it. Anything more than 6 feels outrageous but then he survived 7 at Liverpool last year. Being at home would make it a lower threshold you would think.There certainly has to be a possible result tomorrow that is considered “sack-worthy”.
5-0 loss? 10-0? What do you think the line is and how have we not crossed it yet?
He wasnt. Results were not always great, but you could see what he tried to implement, from day 1. Same for Pep and Klopp, who had a difficult start in the league. They got laughed at as well, that is what people do on here. ETH is the real tragedy though.Arteta looked the same as him for 2 seasons and you were all making fun of him. Get a grip.
And we are now the joke for oppo fans.Arteta looked the same as him for 2 seasons and you were all making fun of him. Get a grip.
There's a huge difference between players being actively put up for sale and us just being open to receiving offers. The latter means that IF a club comes in and gives us a good offer we'll think about it, but there's no real intention to sell them. In other words, exactly how it should be.And if the rumours are true, it looks like INEOS has fallen for that stupid line of reasoning, as apparently all but 3 players are up for sale.
We don't usually use 25 players. Generally, only use 15-18 players in the squad regularly. Hence, 9 is majority or quite significant number. Also, he has Mainoo and Garnacho.9/25 isn’t a majority. It’s also not an insignificant amount of change either especially when his players haven’t been clear successes.
That's the part they like to leave out. The season Arteta finally committed serious money to players was the season they started improving significantly (Start of 21/22 season) and they have improved steadily every year since. Ten Hag blew £400m in his first two seasons and the team has never looked worse in the post Fergie era. Its not even a remotely comparable situation. He was backed financially more than any manager post-Fergie, effectively given the keys to the entire football side of the business and he STILL failed woefully. Pep and Klopp aside, nobody else in Europe has as much power over football decision making as he did.And we are now the joke for oppo fans.
I didn’t follow him closely but did Arteta blow millions on underperforming players that he didn’t know how to utilise, get negative GD and was the regular recipient of heavy defeats ?
This man is incredibly arrogant for someone who has achieved nothing of serious significance at the top level of football
We've 'sacked' players multiple times. The vast majority of the players in the squad have only played for one or two Utd managers (not counting interims). There's barely any players left that also played under Mourinho and especially LVG.He should get one more year. Otherwise, it's just another cycle and another manager these players have gotten sacked. The players need to be sacked, not the manager.
Yeah I can see straight through it ArtetaOne more instance of Arteta copying Pep's bullshit pre-game mind games.
What's hilarious is the sheep from the United fanbase who fall for it and think he's genuine ala Bruno being as good as bloody KdB.
Yes, he did.And we are now the joke for oppo fans.
I didn’t follow him closely but did Arteta blow millions on underperforming players that he didn’t know how to utilise, get negative GD and was the regular recipient of heavy defeats ?
That's such a crazy idea to me. Why not sack every group of players whenever a team doesn't perform? Palace should have got rid of the players instead of replacing Hodgson with Glasner. Sometimes a manager just isn't up to the job for whatever reason. Why some people are having such a hard time accepting that with regard to ten Hag is bizarre.He should get one more year. Otherwise, it's just another cycle and another manager these players have gotten sacked. The players need to be sacked, not the manager.
Well Tuchel did the same and better by winning Big Ears with Chelsea and I wouldn't want him anywhere near United .Except a cup. And 2 fa cup finals in 2 seasons. I think Mark Goldbridge has said this before but if he can get to 2 FA cup finals with an absolute mess of a squad. Imagine what he could do with an half decent squad. It’s not been an easy journey to the final aswell, we’ve knocked out Liverpool.
Are they being set up to fail? Or are they just not good enough to implement the managers style. Don’t forget under the last couple of managers we’ve been built to counter attack. That’s all we’ve ever done and been good at. We’ve never had to press or anything which is what ETH clearly wants. Did Klopp set Liverpool up to fail in his few few seasons? He had to get rid of and buy players. Obviously ETH has made massive mistakes in the transfer market and underestimated the premier league by signing players like Antony but that’s only because the clueless people who was running the show allowed him to. That won’t be the case anymore. We’ll be signing players now that are properly scouted and not just managers favourites.We've 'sacked' players multiple times. The vast majority of the players in the squad have only played for one or two Utd managers (not counting interims). There's barely any players left that also played under Mourinho and especially LVG.
Also, how are the players getting this manager sacked? They are actually trying out there, it's just that they are being set up to fail in a ridiculously bad formation and set-up. The manager is failing the players far more than the other way around. I'm more than happy to criticise the players when it's warranted but in this case the manager is much more at fault.
True, but we’re talking about a manager that’s been sacked 3 times. Why would anyone go near him?Well Tuchel did the same and better by winning Big Ears with Chelsea and I wouldn't want him anywhere near United .
Ten Hag had his chance it's time for change .
His not wrong. His talking about a lot of people in this thread. Guess they are pissed off about that
Well the point was Managers and Coaches get fired even after winning major trophies all the time , So Ten Hag getting stay of execution because he won a minor trophy and made it to some finals when it's clear as day it's not working anymore isn't the most prudent strategy and belies logic .True, but we’re talking about a manager that’s been sacked 3 times. Why would anyone go near him?
Fair point. And I think he’s done whether we win the FA cup or not. But Ratcliffe saying that all the managers have failed in a bad environment makes me think he’s giving him another year under his leadership.Well the point was Managers and Coaches get fired even after winning major trophies all the time , So Ten Hag getting stay of execution because he won a minor trophy and made it to some finals when it's clear as day it's not working anymore isn't the most prudent strategy and belies logic .
What is the managers style? Keep in mind that ETH doesn't actually have a style and this isn't meant as a criticism but he has used all sorts of tactical approaches. Then you have wonder why would a manager implement a style that doesn't fit his players and why doesn't he adjust it for an entire season?Are they being set up to fail? Or are they just not good enough to implement the managers style. Don’t forget under the last couple of managers we’ve been built to counter attack. That’s all we’ve ever done and been good at. We’ve never had to press or anything which is what ETH clearly wants. Did Klopp set Liverpool up to fail in his few few seasons? He had to get rid of and buy players. Obviously ETH has made massive mistakes in the transfer market and underestimated the premier league by signing players like Antony but that’s only because the clueless people who was running the show allowed him to. That won’t be the case anymore. We’ll be signing players now that are properly scouted and not just managers favourites.
Worried the dreaded 'player power' will make Ineos hire the likes of Southgate, with people such as McClaren propping him up. EtH had 'lost the dressing room' but now there's 'choice vibes' and 'chill'.Fair point. And I think he’s done whether we win the FA cup or not. But Ratcliffe saying that all the managers have failed in a bad environment makes me think he’s giving him another year under his leadership.
Good point. You can look at it either way. Some managers would adjust or some would try to coach the players to play a certain way. I don’t think Guardiola changed his style in his first year at city, he might not have been able to play it due to not having the right players.What is the managers style? Keep in mind that ETH doesn't actually have a style and this isn't meant as a criticism but he has used all sorts of tactical approaches. Then you have wonder why would a manager implement a style that doesn't fit his players and why doesn't he adjust it for an entire season?
AgreedCan we reset the poll back to the poll "should we give ETH one more year?" where about 75% posters say not. It's an overwhelming majority!
This is what is now angering the masses; familiarity is breeding contempt and things are getting sourer by the day.What is the managers style? Keep in mind that ETH doesn't actually have a style and this isn't meant as a criticism but he has used all sorts of tactical approaches. Then you have wonder why would a manager implement a style that doesn't fit his players and why doesn't he adjust it for an entire season?
Guardiola adjusted for every single squad that he has had. His Barcelona, Bayern and the various versions of City squads all work differently. The only thing that they have in common is the 6 seconds rule, everything else is tailored to what his players are good at and to weaknesses that he needs to hide. The same is true for Klopp, Klopp went from an aggressive gegenpress with an extremely high line to heavy possession because it was the best way to maximize his players, he also went from having a preference for a single creative hub to creating a system where creation is shared which is a stark difference to his Dortmund days or the first year with Liverpool.Good point. You can look at it either way. Some managers would adjust or some would try to coach the players to play a certain way. I don’t think Guardiola changed his style in his first year at city, he might not have been able to play it due to not having the right players.
Playing a defence that sits deep, an attack that pushes high, and a one man midfield is almost the definition of being set up to fail. It doesn't matter what players we have, it's not going to work. If you think otherwise, point out any successful teams that play close to that way (it's basically the exact opposite of every decent team of modern times which seek to crush the play into as small a space as possible when out of possession). It was blatantly obvious it was going to ripped apart as soon as we saw it in pre-season and the first couple of weeks of the season. ETH hasn't changed anything all season, and therefore it's continued to happen all season.Are they being set up to fail? Or are they just not good enough to implement the managers style. Don’t forget under the last couple of managers we’ve been built to counter attack. That’s all we’ve ever done and been good at. We’ve never had to press or anything which is what ETH clearly wants. Did Klopp set Liverpool up to fail in his few few seasons? He had to get rid of and buy players. Obviously ETH has made massive mistakes in the transfer market and underestimated the premier league by signing players like Antony but that’s only because the clueless people who was running the show allowed him to. That won’t be the case anymore. We’ll be signing players now that are properly scouted and not just managers favourites.
Seriously. If you had a midfield made of Gullit, Rijkaard and Makélélé they could maybe manage to not be totally overwhelmed but even then you would need to adjust because there is no magic solution to cover that much space in transition.Playing a defence that sits deep, an attack that pushes high, and a one man midfield is almost the definition of being set up to fail. It doesn't matter what players we have, it's not going to work. If you think otherwise, point out any successful teams that play close to that way (it's basically the exact opposite of every decent team of modern times which seek to crush the play into as small a space as possible when out of possession). It was blatantly obvious it was going to ripped apart as soon as we saw it in pre-season and the first couple of weeks of the season. ETH hasn't changed anything all season, and therefore it's continued to happen all season.
You don't just get to say 'I want to press' and it excuses any issues along the way. Pressing is something that has to be done as an entire team all over the field. Indeed it's one of the most team-oriented aspects of modern football. ETH's attempt has failed spectacularly, and it's more due to his tactics and set-up (which guarantees failure) than the inability of the players (which admittedly would cause issues even if implemented correctly).
He does know we could finish 9th? He just spent 450 million to make us worse than Rangnicks team.
Lindelof9/25 isn’t a majority. It’s also not an insignificant amount of change either especially when his players haven’t been clear successes.
YeahHis not wrong. His talking about a lot of people in this thread. Guess they are pissed off about that
Both need to go. It isn't keep one or the other. The manager isn't doing his job and wasted a lot of resources given to him. He can complain about not having the players but when you buy Anthony for that colossal fee and get so little back, that is sack worthy alone.He should get one more year. Otherwise, it's just another cycle and another manager these players have gotten sacked. The players need to be sacked, not the manager.
Rangnick didn't have a team. He identified a lot of problems but the board didn't give him a dime for that January window.He does know we could finish 9th? He just spent 450 million to make us worse than Rangnicks team.
Was thinking the same, especially when reading through the comments on his character following that tweet!His not wrong. His talking about a lot of people in this thread. Guess they are pissed off about that
Stop with the same narrative!! Both should be sackedHe should get one more year. Otherwise, it's just another cycle and another manager these players have gotten sacked. The players need to be sacked, not the manager.
Agree, just pointing out that we will have a worse season than we had with rangnick.Rangnick didn't have a team. He identified a lot of problems but the board didn't give him a dime for that January window.
Noone was willing to perform for him then because they knew he was gone at the end of the season. Same is happening for ETH now
Whatever happened to The Glaziers, perfect bile conductors!Agreed
Let’s reset the poll to appease those who are foaming at the mouth for him to be sacked , so they can feel validated but still relentlessly spam the forum with bile and attack anybody who doesn’t share their exact sentiments for ETH where he’s responsible for everything that’s ever gone wrong in the world.
Its just what the forum has been missing