Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24

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Either ETH thinks he can build a decent team with the players he has or he has not been backed by the Glazers. Either way he is toast. We know that the players are not good enough and if ETH is to do a Pep or Klopp he would need to get 3-4 quality players in during the next 3 windows. Not happening. Panic buying Rabiot or Arnautovic says it all. This is Moyes and Fellaini all over again. ETH thinks he can dominate teams a la Ajax. I was afraid of this situation and he was not prepared by the high standards of the PL. I see no signs that he can build a decent defence. If we can't scout players I don't think we can scout managers. He will probably try to beat Pool by playing possession football with Eriksen as no 6 and Maguire in a high line.
It’s way too early to draw conclusions. We know the players aren’t the best so it is daft to expect them to play much better after two games.

It seems likely to me that we’ll be playing better in October than we are now, whether we get more signings or not.

Unless we’re going to start sacking managers after two games, I suggest we let him do his job, his way, and review things in a year.
 
How the feck does that stuff get leaked to the press?! ETH is covering his arse, trying not to feck up his future job prospects. Just accept you’ve got it wrong in the first two games and have made less than zero impact in your time with the club.

What a complete and utter circus MUFC is!
It's from the same guy that said we were willing to loan Ronaldo out last week. He's clueless.
 
What could he have changed to produce different results?
Taken Rashford off and put garnacho in there. Also could have stopped playing erikson deeper. Could have taken off dalot and put in laird in. Or he could have asked the team to sit a bit deeper as the keeper is not up to the task of playing sweeper keeper.

P.s : Don’t know if the results would have been any different though. But at least ge could have tried something different.
 
Initial thoughts that come to mind are…

not played Erikson up front for the first game, not encouraged the club to sign Martinez, not waste all summer on FDJ, kept Henderson at the club.

Eriksen or whoever would have made zero difference.

Martinez is far too early to be written off.

Henderson is well documented in saying he wanted nothing to do with ETH.
 
Taken Rashford off and put garnacho in there. Also could have stopped playing erikson deeper. Could have taken off dalot and put in laird in. Or he could have asked the team to sit a bit deeper as the keeper is not up to the task of playing sweeper keeper.
Easy to manage in hindsight from your armchair. The core of players at his disposal is simply not good enough. It's going to take 12-18 months to see noticeable improvement IMO.
 
Taken Rashford off and put garnacho in there. Also could have stopped playing erikson deeper. Could have taken off dalot and put in laird in. Or he could have asked the team to sit a bit deeper as the keeper is not up to the task of playing sweeper keeper.
Who should he have played deeper and what difference would it have made?
 
Eriksen or whoever would have made zero difference.

Martinez is far too early to be written off.

Henderson is well documented in saying he wanted nothing to do with ETH.

agree to disagree mate. For me he’s made a fair few mistakes early on and he needs to up his game, sharpish.
 
He's never experienced anything like the Premier League. He needs to learn fast if he's going to compete with the managers that will finish in the top half of the league.

If he hasn't now realised his squad is shit and has no chance to get top 6 as it stands he'll get nowhere. We have 3 weeks to sign 4 players that can raise the standard of the starting 11.

GK CDM RW ST

If he does he's got a chance. If he doesn't he'll probably be scapegoated and sacked during this season.
 
I know, and mistakes have been made in each of those games, against mid to low opposition too.
How about you give him the benefit of the doubt considering this group of players have got multiple managers sacked through constant poor effort/performance. Things are going to take time.
 
Absolutely ridiculous that people are pointing fingers at Ten Hag already

They forget that it took SAF 4 years to win his first game for us.
 
Turning on ETH as expected.
Don’t know about United fans overall, but some of the redcafe posters don’t deserve anything.
Complete and utter toxicity.
And strangely it's the same idiots. Yes let us sack him as well. Then what.
 
How about you give him the benefit of the doubt considering this group of players have got multiple managers sacked through constant poor effort/performance. Things are going to take time.

I’m with you, but it’s difficult watching history repeat itself and the same mistakes being made. McFred being the obvious one, it was encouraging to see some other personnel in preseason, and we’ve just reverted to the same rubbish.
 
I obviously back him 100%, and believe he's the man to turn it all around, but this has been a sharp wake up call for him.

He's made some questionable decisions and he needs to get to grips with the shite around him fast... He's not in Kansas anymore.
 
So you want United to learn and play progressive and dominant football on the front foot, yet you are moaning that ETH didn’t tell them to sit deep.

It’s all on the players and it’s obvious. Sancho has no clue what he’s doing and is a bit of a coward, Rashford is no longer a footballer, Bruno can only play in quick counter-attacking setup, the moment he holds on to the ball for more than a split second, all is fecked, McTominay can’t play football, Dalot is a headless chicken, Shaw is also done.

DDG destroyed any chance we’d get anything today. Single handedly.
 
I’m with you, but it’s difficult watching history repeat itself and the same mistakes being made. McFred being the obvious one, it was encouraging to see some other personnel in preseason, and we’ve just reverted to the same rubbish.
McFred? What? That is not his mistake
 
Absolutely ridiculous that people are pointing fingers at Ten Hag already

They forget that it took SAF 4 years to win his first game for us.

Absolutely no manager has lasted 4 years here post Fergie hahaha. With every sacking, there is less and less patience unfortunately. Fans have got used to sackings.

It looks to be an effort to even match Moyesy's 7 months at this moment.
 
He can't coach the brittle mentally out of these players in a matter of weeks. Some of them are lost causes and will be sold in time. Some might turn it around.

He must be given time even if it gets a rough.
 
If you'd asked at the end of last season what would happen if we started this season only having signed a CB, a back-up LB and Eriksen then most posters on here would have predicted a disaster.

There's no mystery as to why this is happening. All the problems we knew we had, we had.

None of the signings even made any sense. We had half a dozen CBs, why sign another? Those we had would’ve been decent in the right system with proper protection in front of them. Instead we’ve signed a short dude for obscene money who will get bullied by most CFs in the league.

Backup LB. Why? Shaw has at least proven once or twice that he is capable of having an acceptable season. Not saying he doesn’t need replacing but RB was a far bigger priority. Even if we assume Malacia becomes first choice soon we’ll then have a better LB on the bench than the starter at RB.

Eriksen on a free is fair enough but for me it creates more problems than it solves. You can’t shoehorn him and Bruno into the same team.

We’ve created new issues while the pre-existing problem areas of GK, RB, DM/CM, winger and CF still remain the same.
 
yes thanks. ETH has made mistakes, surely we’re allowed to reference them!
Who said you’re not allowed? Not expecting them is very silly though I would say
 
McFred? What? That is not his mistake

it is though, we know they’re not up to it yet we refuse to try something new. Pre season we saw some young lads play, we have Garner back and also Donny, i can’t fathom why we don’t try something different. We’ve just been hammered 4-0, it can’t have been any worse giving one of them a go.
 


It's game two and his camp are already briefing again the club.

Jesus.

And yes, he's right. Because van Gaal and Mourinho said the exact same thing. They weren't provided with the players they wanted.

We've tried to play hardball with De Jong, after Brighton, we should have offered to pay the rest of his deferred salary but now watch it backfire.
 
it is though, we know they’re not up to it yet we refuse to try something new. Pre season we saw some young lads play, we have Garner back and also Donny, i can’t fathom why we don’t try something different. We’ve just been hammered 4-0, it can’t have been any worse giving one of them a go.
Throwing Garner into this situation isn't right. He's right to let McTominay and Fred shoulder this pressure.
 
I do have to say I’m extremely disappointed he’s taken the easy option with the captain and goalkeeper.

Arteta changed keeper and captain for example. Would have been a great move and he bottled it imo.
 
it is though, we know they’re not up to it yet we refuse to try something new. Pre season we saw some young lads play, we have Garner back and also Donny, i can’t fathom why we don’t try something different. We’ve just been hammered 4-0, it can’t have been any worse giving one of them a go.
Donny isn’t up to it clearly. And he also clearly didnt want to start the season with McFred
 
I do have to say I’m extremely disappointed he’s taken the easy option with the captain and goalkeeper.

Arteta changed keeper and captain for example. Would have been a great move and he bottled it imo.
Arteta didn’t do it right away and certainly not after 2 games ffs
 
Might be wrong but I think if he doesn't get his targets and we keep getting spanked left and right he will probably resign as a chance to save his future potential jobs because if he stays on and we keep playing shit and losing it will scare off future suitors whereas if he walks it will save him big face.
 
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