You're only defending him because you can't admit you're wrong and have decided to go all in, nothing to do with him being a good coach.
Erik ten Hag - Manchester United manager
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
Their simply isn't the money in the club to afford another rebuild. That can only happen under new owners. If the Glazers are wanting to sell (lol), no way will they allow us to spend the amount any sane manager would demand.
Meanwhile, Randolph and Mortimer sit somewhere in Glazer Towers, utterly oblivious, sipping scotch and living the dream. “We lost again tonight you know” says a butler sat in an adjacent room of the east wing. “Who did?” Says Randolph with a grin. Mortimer pisses himself laughing.
Go all out for De Zerbi.
I don't even trust him to succeed as full time manager here, but interim I'd have been happy with.That's exactly what Germany hopes for
He might be available after the Euro, it's not a long term contract.
We've been here before.
His management since the Cup Final is arguably the worst of any manager post-SAF.
We've been horrendous since then.
His management since the Cup Final is arguably the worst of any manager post-SAF.
We've been horrendous since then.
Do we have to buy all the Brighton players too? Or do we remain Ajax United?
The guy that saw his team ship 6 at the weekend to Villa definitely seems like the one to sort our defence out.
Listened to the post match it feels like he learnt from Sancho situation, the interviewee was very insistent on him shifting the blame to the players (asking what if Rashford did the right thing in the Bruno chance) but you could see he was catching on. The media had it out for Erik before he even played a few games as manager they will be seething for him given the mood around the club and the consistent negativity that surrounds the press with United.
Did ETG react and change the formation when Utd went down to 10 men? There certainly looked to be a huge hole where Casamiro used to be. Isn't that U10 coaching?
Our fans are just so predictable. Bury your head in the sand for as long as possible, and then when reality slaps you in the face go back to the usual excuses. Glazers, toxic players - at least there's no Pogba and Lingard this time right?
We look an absolute mess. I mean can you get any further away from the type of football we expected from a Ten Hag side than tonight?
It feels like something has gone badly wrong and he's either abandoned his philosophy or he's lost the dressing room due to all the off the pitch nonsense, and I don't want us to sack another manager but I can only see this ending that way at the moment.
It feels like something has gone badly wrong and he's either abandoned his philosophy or he's lost the dressing room due to all the off the pitch nonsense, and I don't want us to sack another manager but I can only see this ending that way at the moment.
I think he genuinely believes we are controlling these games. Delusional.
Where are his post match quotes?
Yeah let's keep the man that has saw us ship 4, 6 and 7 against multiple teams including the team that shipped 6 once.
Freak results happens and Villa were sublime. Doesn't make him a bad manager.
This is a concern. It’s not elite teams or even good teams beating us or giving us fits for the most part. Even our depleted squad dwarfs most of those we’ve folded to in terms of cost, experience and supposed pedigree, so the pressure is compounded.
I've been wrong about many things on the caf, I'm not going to shy away from that.
But I'm not going to give up faith in a manager who was an obvious first pick upon being hired and had a successful first season. I want to see if he turns this atrocious start around. That makes me more patient than some, not unwilling to admit I'm wrong.
The problem is that with this club it would be a rebuild. If we had decent succession planning, then we could get rid of him and bring in someone to make a few tweaks to continue the progress he's made, rather than wholesale changes.
The worst thing we could do is to sack him and get an interim manager in, that puts us back to square one. We've chosen a path, and as Zlatan said we have to continue down that path, even if we decide that ETH isn't the manager to take us to the end of it, it needs to be someone who will take us in the same direction.
Casemiro isn’t our problem. People are saying he’s been poor defensively, but we are trying to play a 4-3-3, whereas last season we played a 4-2-3-1 with Eriksen much deeper. As a result, Casemiro is left to cover a lot of ground. He’s our leading scorer for Chrissakes! Mount is much higher up the pitch.
Martinez was great last year. I don’t think his physicality has ever been in question. It’s irrelevant because he won’t be available until January.
Not all of them, but I'd snap their hand off for Mitoma and Ferguson.
I really wanted this to work but he's got to be in last chance saloon now. Lose the next game and he needs to go.
He doesn't have the personality and doesn't want to make the big decisions to turn this around. So fecking disappointing.
He doesn't have the personality and doesn't want to make the big decisions to turn this around. So fecking disappointing.
No. That was Rangnick. By a landslide.
Inching towards a sack, fair or not is a matter of perception.
If he had the club backing, I guess he could bench Bruno and Rashy, but I doubt he has that kind of authority.
If he had the club backing, I guess he could bench Bruno and Rashy, but I doubt he has that kind of authority.
This is utterly false. We looked extremely cohesive on the pitch tonight, and were undone by terrible errors from Dalot, Onana, and Lindelof.
The problem is that his signings have been shocking. This is such a poorly assembled squad.
You can’t judge a manager by one game. You have to wait until at least 4 games.
The 4-0 against Brighton was under Rangnick, right? Our defence has been a joke for a while now.
Making Bruno captain and building this mismatched team around him might spell the end for his tenure here.
Inching? He's gunning there full-pelt. Made even more impressive by the fact 2 months ago he was arguably the 3rd most secure manager in the league.
We’ve had our disagreements in the past, but I’m with you here. He absolutely deserves criticism, and he should be nervous, but he shouldn’t be sacked yet.
If we don’t get wins versus Brentford, Sheffield United and Copenhagen, he probably needs to go. Or at least 2 wins and a draw.
Saying in preseason the players ain't doing what he wants was the red flag
You're right, I thought the game last season was Brighton, not Brentford we lost 4-0 to.
But he didn't build the team around Bruno. He plays Bruno as a stopgap, right, left, back, everywhere. ETH played Wout at Bruno's position last year, Mount this year.
Tbf, there's been a lot... genuinely tiring to try and remember at the minute.
time to go
It's like we've seen this before. Four times, or five is it? Let's not wait this time. Can't imagine who would take over.
There will be a lot less money when we finish 14th
They haven't been shocking at all. The only players he's signed for us that have been really poor are Weghorst, who was an emergency loan signing due to us being broke, and Onana so far, although it's far too early to completely write him off.