Erik ten Hag vs Sancho

[Wing Attack Plan R]

Nope, he was dropped for ‘not training well enough’, which is his job - hence he was dropped for being crap at his job.

ETH then chose to announce this publicly to the World - which, again, is fine, but then he didn’t like it when Sancho responded publicly.

If ETH hadn’t publicly put Sancho down, Sancho obviously wouldn’t have responded publicly (as there wouldn’t have been anything to respond to).

As I said multiple times, feck Sancho off, I couldn’t care. But the way ETH has handled this doesn’t give off the aura of a confident hard ass, it gives off the aura of a petty man.

If he can’t handle public response, then don’t dig players out individually publicly - in the present day and age, they will respond.

Ten Hag is fine with the public response; it’s Sancho who has been the little bitch.

 

[Wing Attack Plan R]

ETH is probably in the right but he is damaging the value of a club asset. Surely there could have been a better way of handling this !!!
It reeks of Amateur Hour !!

Sancho’s “performances” on the pitch are what damaged his value.

 

[Wing Attack Plan R]

Sancho probably feels Antony sucks just as bad and continues to start for ETH so he spoke out. I think Sancho isn't bothered if he plays or not, he will continue to pick up his wages until a new club comes in with a bid. Even if no clubs come for him, he will pretty that someone will sign him once he leaves on a free transfer. I think ETH will accept him back if he apologises but Sancho is too proud to admit that he is wrong. I think the drama stops here, he will be sold once a club submits a decent bid. Nothing to see here, Sancho is probably somewhere having fun partying until the international break is over.

If he thinks that, he’s delusional. How many times did Sancho just walk and watch his man race away from him without even putting in any effort? Every time this thread gets bumped I’m hoping the little cumstain has been sold.

 

[jeff gurr]

Sancho’s “performances” on the pitch are what damaged his value.

His value was has been dropping for quite a while based on his performances but the apology saga sure ain't helping !!

 

[Scholsey2004]

The player has taken a lot of flak but the fact is that we've got a world class player at his peak who isnt even allowed to use the canteen or the first team changing areas and that doesnt reflect well on the coaching staffs ability to man-manage, especially considering how mediocre the team is. Dortmund got consistent top class performances out of him so we know that others have succeeded where our people have clearly failed. God knows how they would have handled Neymar.

 

[Escobar]

The player has taken a lot of flak but the fact is that we've got a world class player at his peak who isnt even allowed to use the canteen or the first team changing areas and that doesnt reflect well on the coaching staffs ability to man-manage, especially considering how mediocre the team is. Dortmund got consistent top class performances out of him so we know that others have succeeded where our people have clearly failed. God knows how they would have handled Neymar.

You are deluded. Every point you made is wrong

 

[Revaulx]

The player has taken a lot of flak but the fact is that we've got a world class player at his peak who isnt even allowed to use the canteen or the first team changing areas and that doesnt reflect well on the coaching staffs ability to man-manage, especially considering how mediocre the team is. Dortmund got consistent top class performances out of him so we know that others have succeeded where our people have clearly failed. God knows how they would have handled Neymar.

At what point in the two and a bit seasons between his signing for United and not being allowed to use the canteen has he demonstrated that he’s a world class player at his peak?

We’ve seen a few flashes of skill, and a bit of evidence that he’s good at digging the ball (and himself) out of tight spaces. Some nice finishes also. So it’s not been all bad.

But he’s not remotely displayed the drive or consistency to be labelled a remotely successful PL player. World class? Come on!

And while I absolutely agree that joining a dysfunctional United won’t have done him any favours, he had plenty of opportunities in his early United days (and indeed at Dortmund) to display his world class talents on the international stage playing for England. He was every bit as underwhelming for them.

 

[hobbers]

World class player at his peak

could never even break into the england team

 

[RoyH1]

World class player at his peak

could never even break into the england team

We throw out the term "world class" around too lightly. Sancho was a very good winger for Dortmund, but no way was he considered one of the very best in his position.

 

[NotChatGPT]

Nope, he was dropped for ‘not training well enough’, which is his job - hence he was dropped for being crap at his job.

ETH then chose to announce this publicly to the World - which, again, is fine, but then he didn’t like it when Sancho responded publicly.

If ETH hadn’t publicly put Sancho down, Sancho obviously wouldn’t have responded publicly (as there wouldn’t have been anything to respond to).

As I said multiple times, feck Sancho off, I couldn’t care. But the way ETH has handled this doesn’t give off the aura of a confident hard ass, it gives off the aura of a petty man.

If he can’t handle public response, then don’t dig players out individually publicly - in the present day and age, they will respond.

Bizarre summary, imo. You'd have a point if this was a one off issue, like Rashford arriving late for a meeting and ending up on the bench rather than the starting lineup, and if Sancho's public response was logic. However, there's been off the pitch issues with Sancho for ages, to the point where he was sent to Holland to be under a strict training regime. ETH has been more than protective of Sancho in the past, when his behavior doesn't improve then sooner or later you'll reach a tipping point and the level of training, and response, prior to the Arsenal match was exactly that. ETH didn't put him down in public, didn't even hang him out to dry, it was fairly innocent, pretty much the complete opposite of Sancho accusing the manager of lying about the reasons behind him being punished.

 

[stefan92]

At what point in the two and a bit seasons between his signing for United and not being allowed to use the canteen has he demonstrated that he’s a world class player at his peak?

We’ve seen a few flashes of skill, and a bit of evidence that he’s good at digging the ball (and himself) out of tight spaces. Some nice finishes also. So it’s not been all bad.

But he’s not remotely displayed the drive or consistency to be labelled a remotely successful PL player. World class? Come on!

And while I absolutely agree that joining a dysfunctional United won’t have done him any favours, he had plenty of opportunities in his early United days (and indeed at Dortmund) to display his world class talents on the international stage playing for England. He was every bit as underwhelming for them.

You are absolutely correct. He should be a world class player at his peak now, but he clearly isn't. And while he might have never impressed for England he at least wasn't underwhelming for Dortmund in the CL. He had a slow start in that competition as a very young player and scored little, but his last Dortmund season resulted in 2G+3A in just 6 games (only 4 starts). That season indeed was very promising and on par with world class players, despite him actually having a slow start to the season and injury problems. United signed a young player who impressed in the BL for years, got into his stride in the CL and had just dragged Dortmund to a cup win. Expecting a world class player after that was totally justified, he had shown what's needed for that, he only had to prove it wasn't just a purple patch.

 

[Revaulx]

You are absolutely correct. He should be a world class player at his peak now, but he clearly isn't. And while he might have never impressed for England he at least wasn't underwhelming for Dortmund in the CL. He had a slow start in that competition as a very young player and scored little, but his last Dortmund season resulted in 2G+3A in just 6 games (only 4 starts). That season indeed was very promising and on par with world class players, despite him actually having a slow start to the season and injury problems. United signed a young player who impressed in the BL for years, got into his stride in the CL and had just dragged Dortmund to a cup win. Expecting a world class player after that was totally justified, he had shown what's needed for that, he only had to prove it wasn't just a purple patch.

Yeah. He provides further evidence that nothing in football (or life) is guaranteed.

And I'm not having it that the reason he prospered in the BL was that German football is "more open". As I've already said, he's shown himself (though obviously not often enough) to be adept at dealing with crowded defences.

I dunno. By many accounts he's a lovely lad and up to the recent fallout everyone at United has been doing all they can to help him succeed.

 

[Laurencio]

Yeah. He provides further evidence that nothing in football (or life) is guaranteed.

And I'm not having it that the reason he prospered in the BL was that German football is "more open". As I've already said, he's shown himself (though obviously not often enough) to be adept at dealing with crowded defences.

I dunno. By many accounts he's a lovely lad and up to the recent fallout everyone at United has been doing all they can to help him succeed.

The one thing anyone reliable keeps repeating (team mates) is that he's late a lot, and is aloof. Which sounds like a personality that would inevitably end up clashing with Ten Hag. He wouldn't be the first mercurial talent to be like that, nor the last. He might excell again under a different manager, but his personality no doubt clashes with Ten Hag, and probably clashed with Rangnick too.